Thinking of trading 09 stg 2 STI for 370...

kotik · 10-11-2010, 05:24 AM

Hellou,

this is my first post here.

Currently I own 2009 Subaru STI, it's Stg 2. When i got it, it was stock, so i did step by step mods to it (tinted rear lights, windows, lip spoler, Navi, SPT CB, DP, Cobb AP, CAI etc)... but the car keep giving me problems! i don't want to get into details, i'm just not happy... all problems are solvable, and probably won't occur again, it's just that i won't feel the same for the car...

Anyway... My buddy has 350Z, and when my car wasn't running, we went out taking his car. i really liked the 2 seater feel, and although it's slower, it still feels fast.

Did anyone make a switch from Sti/evo to 370Z? what are the downs with Z's? Someone told me that with just CAI and CB they make 300whp (????!!!), is this correct?

I am currently in Jersey, so STI is fun in snow, but you can have fun with rwd as well, so no issues there... At first I was scared getting 2 seater (declined getting 08 C6), but now I know that i don't have the need for 4.

Oh, also, would it be quicker around the track? (not 1/4 mile, that i know... mine runs mid 12's)

p.s. i'm prob one of the most hated guy's in Z public... i have that vid on youtube mazdaspeed 3 vs 350z nismo lol

Jose Aliling · 10-11-2010, 06:48 AM

I did.If i were to compare both cars in my own personal experience the evo has a lot of power to gain with some minor tweaks here and there, throttle response is quick compared to the Z in my opinion.In terms of speed I guess both cars are the same but if you drag the two the evo will get ahead first. Although mine wasn't stock at all.I have done a lot to the evo just like what you did to your STi which only gave me problems.The car was fun & fast but it is not reliable anymore to my daily driving.The Z is more of a lifestyle car you can bring it anywhere and people will give stares

.You can get more power if you will slap on some turbo and it will out perform a stock evo on drag or track.If I only had the money I'd still keep the evo although I didn't so I trade it

just my two cents

rj45 · 10-11-2010, 07:50 AM

I went from an '08 STi to the Z. I liked the STi, but the engine's hesitations and flat spots always bothered me. Mine was stock, but many with tunes still had the problem (though less so).

The Z is a totally different car. The Subaru was decent quality in terms of fit-and-finish/solid feel, but the 370 is definitely a step up. The interior is a sharper design and its materials are noticeably better, and the chassis is near billet solid...no creaks or rattles.

The Z's motor, while not offering the STi's (marginal) turbo rush, is a decent unit. At least it pulls cleanly, unlike the STi's motor. It's got decent torque and a somewhat lively top end, though it does have some vibration over 5K. Plus, it doesn't exactly sing like an exotic...at least inside the car, that is. It sounds pretty good outside.

Both cars handle well, but I prefer the Z's handling. It grips like mad and feels very sure-footed. It rides well, too. It also understeers less than the STi.

The shifter is good, though a tad light for my taste. The clutch is a bit of a sore spot...it has little feel, an abrupt engagement and the pedal it too light, and it chatters when pulling away. Smooth shifts are not impossible, but they're more of a challenge than they should be.

Stock Zs run low-to-mid 13s in the quarter and trap about 105 mph. Can they be made quicker? Sure, but it's not as easy as a factory turbo car. I'm sure a tune and bolt-ons will improve its times, but if you really want a noticeable seat-of-the-pants improvement you'll need forced induction, and that's a decent amount of coin.

TongMan · 10-11-2010, 08:58 AM

I've heard so many problems from sti and evo owners. Although they have a fast car, the have to deal with so many issues with the car. Like I've said to many people, sti and evo's are good to admire but not to own. Too many problems to deal with. You hear about these evo's and sti's making huge power, but you don't hear about the owners pulling their hair out dealing with the issues and maintenance.

SMG · 10-11-2010, 09:13 AM

I've driven the pre-facelift STi, and own an '04 WRX which is my daily driver, and so although I can't make a direct comparison between your '08 STi and the 370z (I have an '09 with the sport package and 6 speed manual transmission), there are obvious differences between the Subie and the Z. Biggest thing that I notice is the improved low end torque on the Z and the lack of turbo lag, as well as the fact that the brakes on the Z on just head and shoulders above those on the WRX. Given your mods and the fact that you're comparing the STi these are probably not going to be as noticeable. The Z does drive like a smaller car though, and I'm sure that will be your assessment as well. I've made some upgrades to the WRX, but going to 17 inch rims with Bridgestone RE070 tires has done wonders to improve grip, steering feel and cut down on understeer vs the all seasons the car came with. Gotta say though, I enjoy both cars, and the WRX has been very reliable.

bullet1 · 10-18-2010, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TongMan

I've heard so many problems from sti and evo owners. Although they have a fast car, the have to deal with so many issues with the car. Like I've said to many people, sti and evo's are good to admire but not to own. Too many problems to deal with. You hear about these evo's and sti's making huge power, but you don't hear about the owners pulling their hair out dealing with the issues and maintenance.

Interesting. I've owned a 2000 2.5RS that was traded in for a 2004 WRX that had exactly zero issues going up to stage 2 AP, that was traded in for a 2007 STi that had exactly zero issues going to stage 2 AP as well. My wife also had a WRX and an STi and both of those were perfect as well as far as maintenace went (also modded). The only problems STi and EVO owners get from my experience is when they try and push the stock parts too far. Like try and push 24lbs of boost through a stock STi and sure, you might run into problems. That should not count against the car though.

I went from the STi to an IS350 because I wanted a more refined car with a little more luxury and not such a harsh ride. While I never regretted the purchase, I truely missed the 6spd and the rush of the Sti in stage 2 form. I sold the IS350 outright and started looking at the Z. Finally landed one and love it. It is quite a different driving experience from the STi. The STi is much easier to get big HP out of, but the Z IMO is more fun. The gearbox stock for stock is a lot nicer and more direct in the Z and it feels like it handles much much better (probably just due to the size of the car and how it feels). Everyone that gets in the Z with me comments on how well it handles.

So ultimately it comes down to what you want out of your car. If you want a very quick sedan that you can haul 4 people, and mod the heck out of and make quite a bit of power, keep the STi. If you want a sports car that is a definite looker on the road and is fairly quick, not as receptive to mods, but does everything pretty well and is more refined than the STi... go with the Z.

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I really liked the look of my STi after doing a few subtle modifications, but the Z looks soo much better. Good luck in whatever you do.

PapoZalsa · 10-11-2010, 04:00 PM

Keep the STI if you're going to DD the car during the Winter.

nuTinmuch · 10-11-2010, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by PapoZalsa

Keep the STI if you're going to DD the car during the Winter.

Nah, you can totally DD the car in winter, especially in Jersey.

OP -- I live in South Jersey and drove all through the terrible winter we had and never had any problems -- and I never even bought winter tires, although I will this year depending on how it looks.

As far as the cars go I looked at both the Evo X and STi before buying my Z. They were both serious considerations but the Z was just better for me at the time. Without serious investment you will never make the same amount of power out of this car for obvious reasons, but if you can be happy with light mods then the car will treat you well. There are no major widespread issues with the car either.

PapoZalsa · 10-12-2010, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by nuTinmuch

Nah, you can totally DD the car in winter, especially in Jersey.

OP -- I live in South Jersey and drove all through the terrible winter we had and never had any problems -- and I never even bought winter tires, although I will this year depending on how it looks.

As far as the cars go I looked at both the Evo X and STi before buying my Z. They were both serious considerations but the Z was just better for me at the time. Without serious investment you will never make the same amount of power out of this car for obvious reasons, but if you can be happy with light mods then the car will treat you well. There are no major widespread issues with the car either.

GL, driving in New Jersey in the Winter. I took my 350Z up there in the Summer like 2 yrs ago and there is not a pothole that I could miss. After that my Z rattle like crazy inside until I traded it for the 370.

WarmAndSCSI · 10-11-2010, 06:58 PM

If you like the modability of the STi, trade it in to get a Z then buy an Evo VIII-IX for a winter "beater" car.

All I know is the latest generation STi is butt ugly and I'd do anything to replace it with something else if I had to look at that atrocity every day (no offense).

Red370 · 10-11-2010, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarmAndSCSI

If you like the modability of the STi, trade it in to get a Z then buy an Evo VIII-IX for a winter "beater" car.

All I know is the latest generation STi is butt ugly and I'd do anything to replace it with something else if I had to look at that atrocity every day (no offense).

i'm with you on that, hell, even an Evo VIII would be nice, you could probably pick one of them up dirt cheap nowadays.

WarmAndSCSI · 10-11-2010, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Red370

i'm with you on that, hell, even an Evo VII would be nice, you could probably pick one of them up dirt cheap nowadays.

I'd kill to have an Evo VII (they never had them in those US

).

Evo 8's go for 13k-17k nowadays. Especially already-modified ones. Talk about a steal.

Red370 · 10-11-2010, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by WarmAndSCSI

I'd kill to have an Evo VII (they never had them in those US

).

Evo 8's go for 13k-17k nowadays. Especially already-modified ones. Talk about a steal.

hard to find one that hasnt been ran to shit though, one of my soldiers awhile back bought one from a lemon lot and had boost leak issues, evac codes, misfires, he eventually took it back and bought an SRT-4, what a fuckin idiot.

280z/300zx · 10-11-2010, 07:21 PM

Have you driven a 370z yet? If not I would suggest doing so. It's going to feel rather slow compared to your STI, but if thats something that doesn't bother you then everything else will be a step up from the STI. The interior, brakes, handling, etc will all be better than the STI. Thats not to say the STI isn't a great car. I used to have a 06 WRX stage 1 with CBE, never gave me a single problem. Was going to get a STI but when they went with the hatch I started looking elsewhere. Having been a die hard Z fan for 10 years and I decided to get the 370z instead. I've driven plenty of STI's and I can tell you that with yours being a Stage 2 the Z will feel rather slow.

Also I'm surprised to hear your problems with your car. I've known may people that went stage 2 with WRX's and STI's and never had a single problem. Perhaps there are other mods that you didn't mention that may have caused the issue. But a simple turbo back exhaust and cobb tune should be no problem.

Last food for thought, there is a guy here who has pretty much every non-turbo mod available right now and his fastest time is 12.8. Just something to consider if you are going to be looking at mods later on down the line considering your current car is a mid 12 car.

Red370 · 10-11-2010, 07:10 PM

haha, typo, forgot one I, fixed.

10-11-2010, 05:24 AM	#1 (permalink)
kotik Base Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: New Jersey Posts: 4 Drives: 09 STI stg 2 Rep Power: 15	Thinking of trading 09 stg 2 STI for 370... Hellou, this is my first post here. Currently I own 2009 Subaru STI, it's Stg 2. When i got it, it was stock, so i did step by step mods to it (tinted rear lights, windows, lip spoler, Navi, SPT CB, DP, Cobb AP, CAI etc)... but the car keep giving me problems! i don't want to get into details, i'm just not happy... all problems are solvable, and probably won't occur again, it's just that i won't feel the same for the car... Anyway... My buddy has 350Z, and when my car wasn't running, we went out taking his car. i really liked the 2 seater feel, and although it's slower, it still feels fast. Did anyone make a switch from Sti/evo to 370Z? what are the downs with Z's? Someone told me that with just CAI and CB they make 300whp (????!!!), is this correct? I am currently in Jersey, so STI is fun in snow, but you can have fun with rwd as well, so no issues there... At first I was scared getting 2 seater (declined getting 08 C6), but now I know that i don't have the need for 4. Oh, also, would it be quicker around the track? (not 1/4 mile, that i know... mine runs mid 12's) p.s. i'm prob one of the most hated guy's in Z public... i have that vid on youtube mazdaspeed 3 vs 350z nismo lol

10-11-2010, 06:48 AM	#2 (permalink)
Jose Aliling Enthusiast Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Manila Posts: 298 Drives: tricycle Rep Power: 15	I did.If i were to compare both cars in my own personal experience the evo has a lot of power to gain with some minor tweaks here and there, throttle response is quick compared to the Z in my opinion.In terms of speed I guess both cars are the same but if you drag the two the evo will get ahead first. Although mine wasn't stock at all.I have done a lot to the evo just like what you did to your STi which only gave me problems.The car was fun & fast but it is not reliable anymore to my daily driving.The Z is more of a lifestyle car you can bring it anywhere and people will give stares .You can get more power if you will slap on some turbo and it will out perform a stock evo on drag or track.If I only had the money I'd still keep the evo although I didn't so I trade it just my two cents __________________ http://www.farmofminds.com/2012/10/r...hp-garage.html Last edited by Jose Aliling; 10-11-2010 at 06:52 AM.

10-11-2010, 07:50 AM	#3 (permalink)
rj45 Base Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: USA Posts: 60 Drives: 40th Anniversary Z Rep Power: 16	I went from an '08 STi to the Z. I liked the STi, but the engine's hesitations and flat spots always bothered me. Mine was stock, but many with tunes still had the problem (though less so). The Z is a totally different car. The Subaru was decent quality in terms of fit-and-finish/solid feel, but the 370 is definitely a step up. The interior is a sharper design and its materials are noticeably better, and the chassis is near billet solid...no creaks or rattles. The Z's motor, while not offering the STi's (marginal) turbo rush, is a decent unit. At least it pulls cleanly, unlike the STi's motor. It's got decent torque and a somewhat lively top end, though it does have some vibration over 5K. Plus, it doesn't exactly sing like an exotic...at least inside the car, that is. It sounds pretty good outside. Both cars handle well, but I prefer the Z's handling. It grips like mad and feels very sure-footed. It rides well, too. It also understeers less than the STi. The shifter is good, though a tad light for my taste. The clutch is a bit of a sore spot...it has little feel, an abrupt engagement and the pedal it too light, and it chatters when pulling away. Smooth shifts are not impossible, but they're more of a challenge than they should be. Stock Zs run low-to-mid 13s in the quarter and trap about 105 mph. Can they be made quicker? Sure, but it's not as easy as a factory turbo car. I'm sure a tune and bolt-ons will improve its times, but if you really want a noticeable seat-of-the-pants improvement you'll need forced induction, and that's a decent amount of coin. Last edited by rj45; 10-12-2010 at 08:36 AM.

10-11-2010, 04:00 PM	#7 (permalink)
PapoZalsa A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Not in Sunny Florida Posts: 6,358 Drives: 16 Nismo w/Tech Pack Rep Power: 4500	Keep the STI if you're going to DD the car during the Winter. __________________ 2009 370Z MB Base w/Sport Package 6MT Modshack's Custom Air Intakes /3M Clear Bra/ Illuminated Kick Plates / F. I CBE w/12" resonators / EVO-R Front Lip / Rear Hatch Wing / Tein S-Tech Springs /Ilegal Tint in the Rep. of VA/4x20mm Z1 Spacers/ Vinyl Roof/Liquid Carbon Designs

10-11-2010, 06:58 PM	#10 (permalink)
WarmAndSCSI A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: SLC, UT Posts: 1,671 Drives: '08 Evo X \| '10 370Z Rep Power: 18	If you like the modability of the STi, trade it in to get a Z then buy an Evo VIII-IX for a winter "beater" car. All I know is the latest generation STi is butt ugly and I'd do anything to replace it with something else if I had to look at that atrocity every day (no offense). __________________ '10 PW 370Z 7AT - wife's car - Project Raspberry Cheesecake '08 Evo X - built motor+trans \| BB-X @ 32 psi \| CH3OH \| self-built+tuned - ??? WHP '01 Galant V6 - built motor \| GT35R \| self-built+tuned - 550+ WHP (retired)

10-11-2010, 08:58 AM	#4 (permalink)
TongMan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: NorCal Posts: 1,297 Drives: 2013 Nissan GTR Rep Power: 716	I've heard so many problems from sti and evo owners. Although they have a fast car, the have to deal with so many issues with the car. Like I've said to many people, sti and evo's are good to admire but not to own. Too many problems to deal with. You hear about these evo's and sti's making huge power, but you don't hear about the owners pulling their hair out dealing with the issues and maintenance.

10-11-2010, 09:13 AM	#5 (permalink)
SMG Base Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: New Jersey Posts: 4 Drives: 09 Nissan 370z SP M6 Rep Power: 15	I've driven the pre-facelift STi, and own an '04 WRX which is my daily driver, and so although I can't make a direct comparison between your '08 STi and the 370z (I have an '09 with the sport package and 6 speed manual transmission), there are obvious differences between the Subie and the Z. Biggest thing that I notice is the improved low end torque on the Z and the lack of turbo lag, as well as the fact that the brakes on the Z on just head and shoulders above those on the WRX. Given your mods and the fact that you're comparing the STi these are probably not going to be as noticeable. The Z does drive like a smaller car though, and I'm sure that will be your assessment as well. I've made some upgrades to the WRX, but going to 17 inch rims with Bridgestone RE070 tires has done wonders to improve grip, steering feel and cut down on understeer vs the all seasons the car came with. Gotta say though, I enjoy both cars, and the WRX has been very reliable.

10-11-2010, 07:21 PM	#14 (permalink)
280z/300zx Track Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Nevada Posts: 689 Drives: 280z, 300zx, Vette Rep Power: 273	Have you driven a 370z yet? If not I would suggest doing so. It's going to feel rather slow compared to your STI, but if thats something that doesn't bother you then everything else will be a step up from the STI. The interior, brakes, handling, etc will all be better than the STI. Thats not to say the STI isn't a great car. I used to have a 06 WRX stage 1 with CBE, never gave me a single problem. Was going to get a STI but when they went with the hatch I started looking elsewhere. Having been a die hard Z fan for 10 years and I decided to get the 370z instead. I've driven plenty of STI's and I can tell you that with yours being a Stage 2 the Z will feel rather slow. Also I'm surprised to hear your problems with your car. I've known may people that went stage 2 with WRX's and STI's and never had a single problem. Perhaps there are other mods that you didn't mention that may have caused the issue. But a simple turbo back exhaust and cobb tune should be no problem. Last food for thought, there is a guy here who has pretty much every non-turbo mod available right now and his fastest time is 12.8. Just something to consider if you are going to be looking at mods later on down the line considering your current car is a mid 12 car.

10-11-2010, 07:10 PM	#15 (permalink)
Red370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany Posts: 4,391 Drives: your mom to church Rep Power: 296	haha, typo, forgot one I, fixed. __________________ 2011 Mustang 5.0 \| 3.55's \| Lethal Performance off road H-Pipe \| Magnaflow Muffler Delete \| JLT CAI/Bama tuned 417whp/ 404 ft/lbs

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