Automobile Magazine: 40th Anniv 370Z versus new Mustang GT

ninous26 · 10-12-2010, 05:17 PM

I guess I got used to the GT being the slower car stock for stock and it being a crappy straight line no handling car.

It would just be weird to have to worry about a GT in the twisites.. But hey, I'm a car guy and thats not a bad thing.. If anything major props to Ford for this..

After thinking about it some more the Z is still my top choice.. I guess reading that one post from the guy who said Z's are slow got to me a little bit.

Zsteve · 10-12-2010, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

No, the 'vette is getting a 5.5L-ish DI engine that will put out about 440bhp in the base C7, per GM. That much has been confirmed. That's about all we know, though.

The only car I know of doing what you say is the BMW M3.

Would a 2JZ fit better in the Z than the LSX, a full-assembled LSX motor is around 450#, give or take a few, IIRC. What does the Z's motor weigh, and what does a 2JZ/hair dryer weigh?

I found this article while researching for a vette, now it was back in May so who knows but the pic is cool as hell, I might have to save up for this.

2014 Chevrolet C7 Corvette - Sneak Peek - Automobile Magazine

ImportConvert · 10-12-2010, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Who told you the Vette is getting a 5.5L-ish DI engine?

Public announcement from GM. It's all over the place.
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/02/c...8-for-sebring/
http://www.corvetteblog.com/archives...-440hp-v8.html
http://motorpulse.com/story/view/mot...-v8-powerplant

ImportConvert · 10-12-2010, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

But that's really more a reversion to the mean with the BMW. The e92 never really should have happened.

BMW shoves V8's in their "smaller" cars from time to time. Z8, etc.

theDreamer · 10-12-2010, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Public announcement from GM.

Link? I have heard nothing yet from GM saying what engine, platform, etc. they have decided for the C7. All they have said is it will based off the stingray concept car a bit and not be AWD.

Zsteve · 10-12-2010, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Link? I have heard nothing yet from GM saying what engine, platform, etc. they have decided for the C7. All they have said is it will based off the stingray concept car a bit and not be AWD.

I think the GTR made companies rethink the V6 TT with its 0 100 in 8 secs. I would love a stingray V6 TT if they come out with it.

Zsteve · 10-12-2010, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Public announcement from GM. It's all over the place.
Corvette Racing boss Doug Fehan confirms new 5.5L V8 for Sebring debut — Autoblog
Corvette Blog: C7 Corvettes to be Built with New 5.5L 440hp V8
Motor Trend: C7 Corvette to Debut with New 5.5L 440 hp V8 Powerplant | motorpulse

Noooo I want the TT V6, tell them to redo it.

theDreamer · 10-12-2010, 05:50 PM

Personally I would think a 4 or 5L V8 with a TT kit at low boost would be unbeatable. I sort of wish Nissan did this with the GT-R, but cannot complain on well the V6TT is working for them. A 4L V8 revving to 8k with a TT would be a great combo, in my opinion. They get to keep the idea of a 'V8' and get good fuel economy while keeping that power.

ImportConvert · 10-12-2010, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

I think the GTR made companies rethink the V6 TT with its 0 100 in 8 secs. I would love a stingray V6 TT if they come out with it.

I think that it's just that turbo-chager technology has evolved to the point where turbo-lag isn't nearly as bad as it used to be. Nissan went gunning for Porsche and also used a 6-cylinder TT setup, barrowing the technology from Ford to build the engine, and did a whole ton of suspension/AWD/computer work to keep the nearly 4,000# car competative, which they did a marvelous job of on the track at least.

ImportConvert · 10-12-2010, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

I think the GTR made companies rethink the V6 TT with its 0 100 in 8 secs. I would love a stingray V6 TT if they come out with it.

Why a TT? Why a small engine? The Z06 has more power than the GT-R, and gets better mileage. All without the complexity or heat of a turbo-system. It's just one less thing to break, and based on posts in this forum, and every other automotive forum, less things to break are a GOOD THING considering modern dealership's and their propensity to wiggle out of warranties.

I think people get caught up in the CDI factor rather than the "what works" factor a bit much at times. The GM solution is a cam-in-block design, yet it's very light, makes more power than anything else in its class, and gets 24mpg on the highway and 16 in the city.EPA ratings. Actual owners report 2-3mpg more.

ProfessorDave · 10-12-2010, 07:49 PM

^My guess would be reduced weight (?)

optiontrader · 10-12-2010, 08:33 PM

^^^ Yes - less weight, better gas mileage.

Bigger engines? Higher displacement at low revs with mad power is achieveable at low price points. Once you start trying to spin that crank faster, high revvin' engines are more expensive to develop (but less so to manufacture - but still $$$). The E92's redline above 8k is a good example. High revvin' supercars with V8/10/12 that rev above 8k are another.

Extending that power band between shifts is a golden rule - the more time you're on the pedal and not swinging that lever, the faster times you'll get. But now with dual-clutch transmissions getting easier and cheaper to manufacture - it's gets less critical. But that's another discussion in itself...

ImportConvert · 10-12-2010, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by optiontrader

^^^ Yes - less weight, better gas mileage. Well then they failed. The GT-R's 608# engine (fully dressed with turbo's) out-weighs the fully dressed LS7 by a whopping 150#.

Bigger engines? Higher displacement at low revs with mad power is achieveable at low price points. Once you start trying to spin that crank faster, high revvin' engines are more expensive to develop (but less so to manufacture - but still $$$). The E92's redline above 8k is a good example. High revvin' supercars with V8/10/12 that rev above 8k are another. The BOSS mustang is getting a 7500rpm 5.0. If the mustang is getting it, it can't be TOO cost prohibitive. Especially for a car like the GT-R/'Vette, etc. Further, the cost of developing the cooling system, piping, turbo's, etc. and then warrantying all those extra parts...

Extending that power band between shifts is a golden rule - the more time you're on the pedal and not swinging that lever, the faster times you'll get. Check out the gearing. It's the same time swinging the lever. Auto manufacturers gear those 8K rpm cars so they can hit the powerband fast. But now with dual-clutch transmissions getting easier and cheaper to manufacture - it's gets less critical. But that's another discussion in itself...

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m4a1mustang · 10-12-2010, 11:04 PM

I was about to say. My 5L V8 is revving to 7,000 in stock trim, only 500 rpm short of the stock Z. And all the tunes are bumping the limiter up to 7,500.

It's pretty cool, actually, because I remember the optimal shift-point in my 4.6L was only 5,400.

WarmAndSCSI · 10-12-2010, 11:05 PM

This thread is really still going?

10-12-2010, 05:50 PM	#173 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4210	Personally I would think a 4 or 5L V8 with a TT kit at low boost would be unbeatable. I sort of wish Nissan did this with the GT-R, but cannot complain on well the V6TT is working for them. A 4L V8 revving to 8k with a TT would be a great combo, in my opinion. They get to keep the idea of a 'V8' and get good fuel economy while keeping that power. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

10-12-2010, 07:49 PM	#176 (permalink)
ProfessorDave A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Scranton, PA Posts: 1,580 Drives: In the fairway Rep Power: 19	^My guess would be reduced weight (?) __________________ Rain, snow, sleet, hail: 2009 Mazda 3 sGT HB Everything else: 2009 370z, PW Touring 6MT

10-12-2010, 08:33 PM	#177 (permalink)
optiontrader Track Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Smog Hell, SoCal Posts: 595 Drives: 40th Rep Power: 16	^^^ Yes - less weight, better gas mileage. Bigger engines? Higher displacement at low revs with mad power is achieveable at low price points. Once you start trying to spin that crank faster, high revvin' engines are more expensive to develop (but less so to manufacture - but still $$$). The E92's redline above 8k is a good example. High revvin' supercars with V8/10/12 that rev above 8k are another. Extending that power band between shifts is a golden rule - the more time you're on the pedal and not swinging that lever, the faster times you'll get. But now with dual-clutch transmissions getting easier and cheaper to manufacture - it's gets less critical. But that's another discussion in itself... __________________ 40th Anniversary Z - 3M Paint Protection Film, CA Legal Tint! (70/40)

10-12-2010, 11:04 PM	#179 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	I was about to say. My 5L V8 is revving to 7,000 in stock trim, only 500 rpm short of the stock Z. And all the tunes are bumping the limiter up to 7,500. It's pretty cool, actually, because I remember the optimal shift-point in my 4.6L was only 5,400. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

10-12-2010, 11:05 PM	#180 (permalink)
WarmAndSCSI A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: SLC, UT Posts: 1,671 Drives: '08 Evo X \| '10 370Z Rep Power: 18	This thread is really still going? __________________ '10 PW 370Z 7AT - wife's car - Project Raspberry Cheesecake '08 Evo X - built motor+trans \| BB-X @ 32 psi \| CH3OH \| self-built+tuned - ??? WHP '01 Galant V6 - built motor \| GT35R \| self-built+tuned - 550+ WHP (retired)

10-12-2010, 05:17 PM	#166 (permalink)
ninous26 Base Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Phoenix AZ Posts: 112 Drives: 03 G35 black 5AT Rep Power: 16	I guess I got used to the GT being the slower car stock for stock and it being a crappy straight line no handling car. It would just be weird to have to worry about a GT in the twisites.. But hey, I'm a car guy and thats not a bad thing.. If anything major props to Ford for this.. After thinking about it some more the Z is still my top choice.. I guess reading that one post from the guy who said Z's are slow got to me a little bit.

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