Need some info from the seasoned, please

KainZ · 10-06-2010, 05:05 PM

Hello All,

I'm brand new to the forums as a participating member, been reading for a couple months now. Still fairly new to the whole car seen, so my knowledge base is lets say still growing, heh.

Although the issue I'm having is I'm looking between a 2011 Honda Civic Si Coupe and the current 2010 Nissan 370Z Coupe (I'm aware the 2011 is coming soon and will probably be looking at that as it comes closer to my time of actually laying the money down on the table).

Which ever car I buy I'm looking at putting a turbocharger for my FI mod. And possibly building the engine as I go and money becomes available to do it.

However, I'm not clear on which vehicle would get the best response from the above mentioned mod and my hard earned cash. I'm really liking the Z and as many have already stated there are Civics in every garage for miles. I do like the prestige that not everyone has a Z. So it's definitely winning me over in the looks category.

I'm currently overseas in Iraq and going home on R&R leave this month and wanting to probably test drive the Z. (As I've already driven a boosted Civic Si 09). What's making the choice hard, is my best friend is a Honda nut from A-Z, no real issue there. Just all the advice he gives is that Honda is the best and that any other choice is rubbish or won't see the same returns for the same mods/money spent. And a few other friends are in the other category that the 370Z and other cars are more appealing and can give the same numbers (whp).

Except it's not all about WHP at the moment, as the new car will replace my daily driver for awhile. I want something I'm not going to feel embarrassed about being seen in. My best friend wants me to buy a used Civic to save money for a turbo kit and I told him the last few we looked at a year ago were gutted and ravaged inside and out, and his response was "but they had built engines and could easily have a boost kit installed". I had to remind him the interior was crap or gone, the engine has no emissions equipment on it, so I'd have to get that added before going to the DMV and I really don't feel like inheriting someone else problems for my next car.

I know I've read that a few members are ex-Civic (or Honda) owners, and I'm really looking to see what the comparable differences are. I mean I can look at the spec's and see the obvious, but what about power to handling between the two? Overall feel between them? Speed and whp gains through mods? I'm already assuming mods for the Z will be more then the Honda, I'm not really concerned about this aspect, as I'm not looking to do it all right away but step by step as I learn more about cars in general and the 370Z as I went along modding it.

Well if you're still reading this long winded post, I thank you for your endurance and hope to get some honest feedback that can help with this choice, thanks in advance.

Kain

ps. sorry if this seems really silly.

m4a1mustang · 10-06-2010, 05:07 PM

Z hands down. Z vs. Civic Si? You have to be kidding! It's an easy choice...

The Z is a pure sports car. The Civic Si is the "performance" model of a cute 2-door economy car.

kenchan · 10-06-2010, 05:08 PM

how old are you? (not you mustang lol!)

KainZ · 10-06-2010, 05:09 PM

Oh boy, ok. Kind of the response I was thinking I was going to get.

I'm 24 yrs old. Does this really effect the situation though? I'm just curious.

m4a1mustang · 10-06-2010, 05:10 PM

Well, honestly, asking about the differences between a 370Z and Civic Si is downright insulting!

The 370Z is LEAGUES above the Civic Si in EVERY aspect of performance.

shadoquad · 10-06-2010, 05:13 PM

They are two completely different cars for two completely different roles.

The Z is a gorgeous two-seat rear wheel drive sports car. It is faster than the Civic and handles better. It is a true performance car.

The Civic Si is a performance-modified putt-putter. It is a front wheel drive four-seater. It is worlds better on gas and probably better to drive in snowy or wet conditions to get where you're going. It is probably fun to drive, but nowhere near as fast, and it simply can not take corners as well as a Z, not while the front wheels are both pulling the car and steering it.

KainZ · 10-06-2010, 05:14 PM

I don't mean to insult anyone, it's just the two vehicles I was looking at. And I've already read that others have been prior Honda owners, just trying to get honest feedback, not insult anyone's sensibilities.

Is there anything I can say that won't result in a lashing?

shadoquad · 10-06-2010, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KainZ

I don't mean to insult anyone, it's just the two vehicles I was looking at. And I've already read that others have been prior Honda owners, just trying to get honest feedback, not insult anyone's sensibilities.

Is there anything I can say that won't result in a lashing?

Don't mind him. He doesn't even own a Z. lolol.

No lashing. I tried to spell out in my post what the diffs are.

m4a1mustang · 10-06-2010, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KainZ

I don't mean to insult anyone, it's just the two vehicles I was looking at. And I've already read that others have been prior Honda owners, just trying to get honest feedback, not insult anyone's sensibilities.

Is there anything I can say that won't result in a lashing?

No, you're fine.

Just get the 370Z and everything will be juuust fine. You'd have to do quite a lot to the Si just to get it anywhere close to a stock 370Z's performance!

Also, thank you.

theDreamer · 10-06-2010, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KainZ

I don't mean to insult anyone, it's just the two vehicles I was looking at. And I've already read that others have been prior Honda owners, just trying to get honest feedback, not insult anyone's sensibilities.

Is there anything I can say that won't result in a lashing?

No lashing, but the Z v. Si is in most minds not a debate really.
The Si is a grocery getter without a turbo, you can add one, the Z is a sports car.

KainZ · 10-06-2010, 05:17 PM

@Shadoquad:

Thank you that was more what I was looking for in a response. I guess I should've added that I live in Arizona, there's not much snow or rain to deal with. Then it sounds to me the Z is what I'm looking for from the two cars, thanks.

waaaasabi · 10-06-2010, 05:17 PM

I actually like the 8th gen. Civic's (I have one as a DD), but there isn't much, if any, comparison here. 370Z hands down on all categories, except for moonroof... though a member here did get an aftermarket moonroof installed on his Z.

You seem really set on having a FI car, so perhaps you should also look at factory-FI cars?

Also, are you at Huachuca?

m4a1mustang · 10-06-2010, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KainZ

@Shadoquad:

Thank you that was more what I was looking for in a response. I guess I should've added that I live in Arizona, there's not much snow or rain to deal with. Then it sounds to me the Z is what I'm looking for from the two cars, thanks.

You're friend probably wants you to get a Si because he knows your Z will probably still keep up with him while stock and boosted you'd blow him out of the water. All while still handling way better.

vipor · 10-06-2010, 05:21 PM

Get the Si, you won't go as fast, so you'll get less tickets.

6MT · 10-06-2010, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KainZ

Hello All,

I'm brand new to the forums as a participating member, been reading for a couple months now. Still fairly new to the whole car seen, so my knowledge base is lets say still growing, heh.

Although the issue I'm having is I'm looking between a 2011 Honda Civic Si Coupe and the current 2010 Nissan 370Z Coupe (I'm aware the 2011 is coming soon and will probably be looking at that as it comes closer to my time of actually laying the money down on the table).

Which ever car I buy I'm looking at putting a turbocharger for my FI mod. And possibly building the engine as I go and money becomes available to do it.

However, I'm not clear on which vehicle would get the best response from the above mentioned mod and my hard earned cash. I'm really liking the Z and as many have already stated there are Civics in every garage for miles. I do like the prestige that not everyone has a Z. So it's definitely winning me over in the looks category.

I'm currently overseas in Iraq and going home on R&R leave this month and wanting to probably test drive the Z. (As I've already driven a boosted Civic Si 09). What's making the choice hard, is my best friend is a Honda nut from A-Z, no real issue there. Just all the advice he gives is that Honda is the best and that any other choice is rubbish or won't see the same returns for the same mods/money spent. And a few other friends are in the other category that the 370Z and other cars are more appealing and can give the same numbers (whp).

Except it's not all about WHP at the moment, as the new car will replace my daily driver for awhile. I want something I'm not going to feel embarrassed about being seen in. My best friend wants me to buy a used Civic to save money for a turbo kit and I told him the last few we looked at a year ago were gutted and ravaged inside and out, and his response was "but they had built engines and could easily have a boost kit installed". I had to remind him the interior was crap or gone, the engine has no emissions equipment on it, so I'd have to get that added before going to the DMV and I really don't feel like inheriting someone else problems for my next car.

I know I've read that a few members are ex-Civic (or Honda) owners, and I'm really looking to see what the comparable differences are. I mean I can look at the spec's and see the obvious, but what about power to handling between the two? Overall feel between them? Speed and whp gains through mods? I'm already assuming mods for the Z will be more then the Honda, I'm not really concerned about this aspect, as I'm not looking to do it all right away but step by step as I learn more about cars in general and the 370Z as I went along modding it.

Well if you're still reading this long winded post, I thank you for your endurance and hope to get some honest feedback that can help with this choice, thanks in advance.

Kain

ps. sorry if this seems really silly.

I have to agree, the SI is a great car. BUT.... there is only so much you can do with FWD (IMHO). That is why I moved from my 2008 Accord V6 coupe to the RWD 370. I'll never look back. Although the Honda was/is a great car, I can't see a "puller" doing the same handling as the RWD 370. You may get some people disagreeing.... but for me, RWD is the way to go.

10-06-2010, 05:05 PM	#1 (permalink)
KainZ Base Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Arizona Posts: 24 Drives: TBD Rep Power: 15	Need some info from the seasoned, please Hello All, I'm brand new to the forums as a participating member, been reading for a couple months now. Still fairly new to the whole car seen, so my knowledge base is lets say still growing, heh. Although the issue I'm having is I'm looking between a 2011 Honda Civic Si Coupe and the current 2010 Nissan 370Z Coupe (I'm aware the 2011 is coming soon and will probably be looking at that as it comes closer to my time of actually laying the money down on the table). Which ever car I buy I'm looking at putting a turbocharger for my FI mod. And possibly building the engine as I go and money becomes available to do it. However, I'm not clear on which vehicle would get the best response from the above mentioned mod and my hard earned cash. I'm really liking the Z and as many have already stated there are Civics in every garage for miles. I do like the prestige that not everyone has a Z. So it's definitely winning me over in the looks category. I'm currently overseas in Iraq and going home on R&R leave this month and wanting to probably test drive the Z. (As I've already driven a boosted Civic Si 09). What's making the choice hard, is my best friend is a Honda nut from A-Z, no real issue there. Just all the advice he gives is that Honda is the best and that any other choice is rubbish or won't see the same returns for the same mods/money spent. And a few other friends are in the other category that the 370Z and other cars are more appealing and can give the same numbers (whp). Except it's not all about WHP at the moment, as the new car will replace my daily driver for awhile. I want something I'm not going to feel embarrassed about being seen in. My best friend wants me to buy a used Civic to save money for a turbo kit and I told him the last few we looked at a year ago were gutted and ravaged inside and out, and his response was "but they had built engines and could easily have a boost kit installed". I had to remind him the interior was crap or gone, the engine has no emissions equipment on it, so I'd have to get that added before going to the DMV and I really don't feel like inheriting someone else problems for my next car. I know I've read that a few members are ex-Civic (or Honda) owners, and I'm really looking to see what the comparable differences are. I mean I can look at the spec's and see the obvious, but what about power to handling between the two? Overall feel between them? Speed and whp gains through mods? I'm already assuming mods for the Z will be more then the Honda, I'm not really concerned about this aspect, as I'm not looking to do it all right away but step by step as I learn more about cars in general and the 370Z as I went along modding it. Well if you're still reading this long winded post, I thank you for your endurance and hope to get some honest feedback that can help with this choice, thanks in advance. Kain ps. sorry if this seems really silly.

10-06-2010, 05:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	Z hands down. Z vs. Civic Si? You have to be kidding! It's an easy choice... The Z is a pure sports car. The Civic Si is the "performance" model of a cute 2-door economy car. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook! Last edited by m4a1mustang; 10-06-2010 at 05:09 PM.

10-06-2010, 05:10 PM	#5 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	Well, honestly, asking about the differences between a 370Z and Civic Si is downright insulting! The 370Z is LEAGUES above the Civic Si in EVERY aspect of performance. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

10-06-2010, 05:17 PM	#12 (permalink)
waaaasabi Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New York City Posts: 491 Drives: '10 Civic (FG1) 5AT Rep Power: 17	I actually like the 8th gen. Civic's (I have one as a DD), but there isn't much, if any, comparison here. 370Z hands down on all categories, except for moonroof... though a member here did get an aftermarket moonroof installed on his Z. You seem really set on having a FI car, so perhaps you should also look at factory-FI cars? Also, are you at Huachuca? __________________ That's SOOOO not Raven!

10-06-2010, 05:21 PM	#14 (permalink)
vipor A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Euless, TX [ DFW ] Age: 42 Posts: 13,531 Drives: Nismo 09-0183 QAB Rep Power: 49	Get the Si, you won't go as fast, so you'll get less tickets. __________________ 2009 NISMO # 0193 \| QAB \| Albums! \| 05.04.10 (Dynojet) 291.94hp/248.28tq Oil Cooler (DIY) \| Custom Headlights \| GTSPEC Braces \| F.I. Long Tube Headers

10-06-2010, 05:08 PM	#3 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	how old are you? (not you mustang lol!)

10-06-2010, 05:09 PM	#4 (permalink)
KainZ Base Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Arizona Posts: 24 Drives: TBD Rep Power: 15	Oh boy, ok. Kind of the response I was thinking I was going to get. I'm 24 yrs old. Does this really effect the situation though? I'm just curious.

10-06-2010, 05:13 PM	#6 (permalink)
shadoquad A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: . Posts: 42,608 Drives: . Rep Power: 3886	They are two completely different cars for two completely different roles. The Z is a gorgeous two-seat rear wheel drive sports car. It is faster than the Civic and handles better. It is a true performance car. The Civic Si is a performance-modified putt-putter. It is a front wheel drive four-seater. It is worlds better on gas and probably better to drive in snowy or wet conditions to get where you're going. It is probably fun to drive, but nowhere near as fast, and it simply can not take corners as well as a Z, not while the front wheels are both pulling the car and steering it.

10-06-2010, 05:14 PM	#7 (permalink)
KainZ Base Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Arizona Posts: 24 Drives: TBD Rep Power: 15	I don't mean to insult anyone, it's just the two vehicles I was looking at. And I've already read that others have been prior Honda owners, just trying to get honest feedback, not insult anyone's sensibilities. Is there anything I can say that won't result in a lashing?

10-06-2010, 05:17 PM	#11 (permalink)
KainZ Base Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Arizona Posts: 24 Drives: TBD Rep Power: 15	@Shadoquad: Thank you that was more what I was looking for in a response. I guess I should've added that I live in Arizona, there's not much snow or rain to deal with. Then it sounds to me the Z is what I'm looking for from the two cars, thanks.

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