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Nissan on European site pubished some information in performance area. From 0 to 100 Km/H 6MT --> 5.3 second 7AT --> 5.6 second In Europe (especially in France) manual transmission

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Old 03-11-2009, 05:25 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Nissan on European site pubished some information in performance area.
From 0 to 100 Km/H
6MT --> 5.3 second
7AT --> 5.6 second

In Europe (especially in France) manual transmission are really popular. The 350Z was only availlable in MT. With 370Z, 7AT option is availlable.

The choice between MT and AT is not easy, and I always interrested to hear about quality (espically if change is fast and if there is a lag in manual mode) of this 7AT. If it has been a DCT, I think I will not hesitated.

When I look to ratio, 7AT seems a little bit strange compare to 6 MT. Especially gap between 4th and 5th are quite huge compare to gap betweh 3th and 4th. Note that 4th on 7AT and 3th on 6MT are very similar.
The 1st is really short on 7AT, I don't know what Nissan did this choice.

Your comment will be appreciated.
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Nissan on European site pubished some information in performance area.
From 0 to 100 Km/H
6MT --> 5.3 second
7AT --> 5.6 second

In Europe (especially in France) manual transmission are really popular. The 350Z was only availlable in MT. With 370Z, 7AT option is availlable.

The choice between MT and AT is not easy, and I always interrested to hear about quality (espically if change is fast and if there is a lag in manual mode) of this 7AT. If it has been a DCT, I think I will not hesitated.

When I look to ratio, 7AT seems a little bit strange compare to 6 MT. Especially gap between 4th and 5th are quite huge compare to gap betweh 3th and 4th. Note that 4th on 7AT and 3th on 6MT are very similar.
The 1st is really short on 7AT, I don't know what Nissan did this choice.

Your comment will be appreciated.
wow 5.6 sec. Granted with slight extra HP in US and at 60mph, perhaps we can see this figure drop to 5.4 sec? This is still higher than I expected.
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wow 5.6 sec. Granted with slight extra HP in US and at 60mph, perhaps we can see this figure drop to 5.4 sec? This is still higher than I expected.



From 0 to 100 Km/H
6MT --> 5.3 second
7AT --> 5.6 second


Just add .3 to the US manual version (100Km/H is not the same as 0-60). US ranges from 4.7 to 5.1 which would mean the AT would fall between 5.0 to 5.4.
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One of the things from the linked auto v. manual thread that I was hoping to achieve in that thread, though I founder later after some digging, was how the auto compared to other automatics with paddles.

I enjoy manuals, when they are good (not my cheap car manual), but with the introduction of these new automatics with manual feel, I want to know if the same control can be achieved. Now being able to pick X gear and choosing it will probably never happen, but the control when I want it to shift, how smooth I shift in manual, etc. I know people talk about BMW having a nice system and then there are the F1 race cars that have the pinnacle of production systems, but where does Nissan fall into this range?

Can the auto compete on the track against a manual? Will it slow someone down because you have to hit multiple times to jump down gears, or how quick/slow it is at changing gears?
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One of the things from the linked auto v. manual thread that I was hoping to achieve in that thread, though I founder later after some digging, was how the auto compared to other automatics with paddles.

I enjoy manuals, when they are good (not my cheap car manual), but with the introduction of these new automatics with manual feel, I want to know if the same control can be achieved. Now being able to pick X gear and choosing it will probably never happen, but the control when I want it to shift, how smooth I shift in manual, etc. I know people talk about BMW having a nice system and then there are the F1 race cars that have the pinnacle of production systems, but where does Nissan fall into this range?

Can the auto compete on the track against a manual? Will it slow someone down because you have to hit multiple times to jump down gears, or how quick/slow it is at changing gears?
The questions you want answered are probably impossible to answer; at least, getting an answer not tinged with a lot of bias.

I love the paddles and love them more every time I hit some twisty roads or just need a quick downshift; however, I haven't driven any other manufacturer's vehicles with paddle shifters so I have no basis for comparring the 370's system to, say the BMW.

I don't drag race but I do autocross (haven't done so with the 370 yet but have many times with a 350 auto) and found the auto to be just fine for that duty (not to say that they manual isn't as good of a choice).

You may or may not give up a couple tenth's of a second in a straight line acceleration but the "manual" mode in the 370 will satisfy most shifting needs and is certainly worthy of consideration.
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I havent autocrossed in the last few years, but when I did autox, almost every course (I'd say 9 out of 10) called for and were probably best to do just in 2nd gear; even on a manual car, which is what I always autox'ed, you'd lose too much time trying to downshift to 1st just to later upshift to 2nd, and there was never a need for 3rd.
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I havent autocrossed in the last few years, but when I did autox, almost every course (I'd say 9 out of 10) called for and were probably best to do just in 2nd gear; even on a manual car, which is what I always autox'ed, you'd lose too much time trying to downshift to 1st just to later upshift to 2nd, and there was never a need for 3rd.
On our courses here; we do have courses "open" enough that an occasional shift to 3rd is helpful but generally you are right, once you get to 2nd that's usually where you stay.
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