VDC...off?

ClemsonWill · 10-06-2010, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

If you feel the need to turn off VDC because its interfering with your daily driving by kicking in all the time, then you are driving like an ass, and your idea of 'daily driving' is dangerous. You shouldn't be losing traction very often if you are driving safely and are conscious of other people on the road. If you have VDC off because you like to drift while you're driving to the grocery store, then you are a hazard to everyone on the road.

If you're finding yourself turning VDC off whilst daily driving, then get your cheap ass to the track or an autocross event and get it out of your system. Thats what it really comes down to. Its not like you don't want to take your car to a track. It's that you don't want to spend the money, so your cheap ass decides to be a hooligan on public roadways. the funny thing is, the fine you'd wind up with if you were to get pulled over is less than a track day would cost. However, if you kill someone, you're probably gonna wind up going to jail for vehicular manslaughter/negligence.

Well said!

Mt Tam I am · 10-06-2010, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

If you feel the need to turn off VDC because its interfering with your daily driving by kicking in all the time, then you are driving like an ass, and your idea of 'daily driving' is dangerous. You shouldn't be losing traction very often if you are driving safely and are conscious of other people on the road. If you have VDC off because you like to drift while you're driving to the grocery store, then you are a hazard to everyone on the road.

If you're finding yourself turning VDC off whilst daily driving, then get your cheap ass to the track or an autocross event and get it out of your system. Thats what it really comes down to. Its not like you don't want to take your car to a track. It's that you don't want to spend the money, so your cheap ass decides to be a hooligan on public roadways. the funny thing is, the fine you'd wind up with if you were to get pulled over is less than a track day would cost. However, if you kill someone, you're probably gonna wind up going to jail for vehicular manslaughter/negligence.

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

try living on a steep hill, it will bug the living hell out of you

I agree with Cossie1600 100%.

I do not have the ability to read the hearts and minds of men, like a deity, and Jeffblue. It must be wonderful. Then to draw an irrational and emotional conclusion makes me think you are my mother in-law. So i'll just ask, are you she? Although I do agree with Jeffblue, one should not daily drift to the store, as an opinion.

I live on a steep mountain and with VDC on, it lights up, and activates the tugging and pulling of the brakes needlessly, with great frequency the entire ride downhill. With VDC off, the same drive at the same speed, the California Highway Patrol behind me, not one peep out of the tires, no loss of traction, and I am still under the speed limit. Your conclusion I am driving like an *** and I am cheap. The CHP clearly drew a different conclusion about the former.

Regarding cheapness: I worked my way through University and educated myself before I bought an expensive car. This education including critical thinking and logic. Wether or not you went to college or not, it is obvious you do not think logically. Aristotle would agree with me. So if needed sell your car, and educate yourself before you jump to a one size fits all chastisement. It is worth it, just to avoid embarrassing gaffs like the one you made.

I am very surprised that others agree with your statement: You shouldn't be losing traction very often if you are driving safely and are conscious of other people on the road.
How often, is very often, in your opinion to lose traction, safely? Clearly you have a number or frequency in mind that it is safe. A few times a day, once a day, once a week. What have you determined so that we are illuminated to your mind set. Many, myself included, would argue safety dictates no loss of traction ever.

Jeffblue · 10-06-2010, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am

I agree with Cossie1600 100%.

I do not have the ability to read the hearts and minds of men, like a deity, and Jeffblue. It must be wonderful. Then to draw an irrational and emotional conclusion makes me think you are my mother in-law. So i'll just ask, are you she? Although I do agree with Jeffblue, one should not daily drift to the store, as an opinion.

I live on a steep mountain and with VDC on, it lights up, and activates the tugging and pulling of the brakes needlessly, with great frequency the entire ride downhill. With VDC off, the same drive at the same speed, the California Highway Patrol behind me, not one peep out of the tires, no loss of traction, and I am still under the speed limit. Your conclusion I am driving like an *** and I am cheap. The CHP clearly drew a different conclusion about the former.

Regarding cheapness: I worked my way through University and educated myself before I bought an expensive car. This education including critical thinking and logic. Wether or not you went to college or not, it is obvious you do not think logically. Aristotle would agree with me. So if needed sell your car, and educate yourself before you jump to a one size fits all chastisement. It is worth it, just to avoid embarrassing gaffs like the one you made.

I am very surprised that others agree with your statement: You shouldn't be losing traction very often if you are driving safely and are conscious of other people on the road.
How often, is very often, in your opinion to lose traction, safely? Clearly you have a number or frequency in mind that it is safe. A few times a day, once a day, once a week. What have you determined so that we are illuminated to your mind set. Many, myself included, would argue safety dictates no loss of traction ever.

i went to college. i bought my own Z. i am very logical. I dont see the need for these stupid VDC threads. did you really mention 'aristotle' in a thread about traction control.... i mean, really?

memorylasts · 10-06-2010, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

i went to college. i bought my own Z. i am very logical. I dont see the need for these stupid VDC threads. did you really mention 'aristotle' in a thread about traction control.... i mean, really?

Apparently he did, mention 'Aristotle'...

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Anyways, this thread is going in circles, if people have a problem with they way i am most comfortable driving my car, in San Diego, CA come let me know. I Dont Drive with VDC on, hell even in rain, and yes i said rain... I drove for my First 5-6 yrs in ny in snow not the city, and through the four seasons, i have a pretty damn good understanding of road conditions and what the car is doing under me, and when i feel i could use a little nanny i turn the thing on. I have been out here for about 4.5 yrs... and the general populous dont know how to drive. Im not trying to toot any horn....im just saying... i also grew up with a father who taught me just about everything i know about cars, what to do in situations when **** gets a littls out of place etc...

But with all the highway sweepers and high bank entrance/exit ramps we have here well they are fun to push on, within reason.

I am a person that is constantly on alert and unfortunately it allows me to drive with quick responses as well as allow myself to move with traffic in a law abiding manner.

BOTTOM LINE

DRIVE WITHIN YOUR OWN APPROPRIATE SKILL LEVEL.

Mt Tam I am · 10-06-2010, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

i went to college. i bought my own Z. i am very logical. I dont see the need for these stupid VDC threads. did you really mention 'aristotle' in a thread about traction control.... i mean, really?

Had you taken critical thinking you would know that Aristotle and his teachings of logic, are taught in every introductory critical thinking course. I realize you do not need these stupid VDC threads. Apparently you do need to comment within them, and belittle others. Simply defend your rationale and name calling or please do not do it. Thanks.

Jeffblue · 10-06-2010, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am

Had you taken critical thinking you would know that Aristotle and his teachings of logic, are taught in every introductory critical thinking course. I realize you do not need these stupid VDC threads. Apparently you do need to comment within them, and belittle others. Simply defend your rationale and name calling or please do not do it. Thanks.

where i went to college, critical thinking was the english class they placed kids in who couldn't write an essay or express themselves in a coherent matter in written word. the ones who couldn't even place into english 101. I know who aristotle is. I just thought it was funny to see someone mention an ancient greek philosopher in a car forum.

Anyways, it wasn't my intention to place everyone who clicks the 'VDC off' button into a group of hoons that are a danger to society, so if i offended you i'm sorry.

Carno · 10-06-2010, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am

I agree with Cossie1600 100%.

I do not have the ability to read the hearts and minds of men, like a deity, and Jeffblue. It must be wonderful. Then to draw an irrational and emotional conclusion makes me think you are my mother in-law. So i'll just ask, are you she? Although I do agree with Jeffblue, one should not daily drift to the store, as an opinion.

I live on a steep mountain and with VDC on, it lights up, and activates the tugging and pulling of the brakes needlessly, with great frequency the entire ride downhill. With VDC off, the same drive at the same speed, the California Highway Patrol behind me, not one peep out of the tires, no loss of traction, and I am still under the speed limit. Your conclusion I am driving like an *** and I am cheap. The CHP clearly drew a different conclusion about the former.

Regarding cheapness: I worked my way through University and educated myself before I bought an expensive car. This education including critical thinking and logic. Wether or not you went to college or not, it is obvious you do not think logically. Aristotle would agree with me. So if needed sell your car, and educate yourself before you jump to a one size fits all chastisement. It is worth it, just to avoid embarrassing gaffs like the one you made.

I am very surprised that others agree with your statement: You shouldn't be losing traction very often if you are driving safely and are conscious of other people on the road.
How often, is very often, in your opinion to lose traction, safely? Clearly you have a number or frequency in mind that it is safe. A few times a day, once a day, once a week. What have you determined so that we are illuminated to your mind set. Many, myself included, would argue safety dictates no loss of traction ever.

I'm not sure I understand your tirade. Is there any other time, besides driving on a hill, that VDC impairs your driving?

Personally I don't understand the VDC hate, but I don't normally drive in such a way that would cause VDC to turn on. Is it impossible for some people drive in a manner that precludes VDC from activating? I don't get it. So far it seems like the only valid reasons for not having VDC on are when you're driving downhill and when on a track.

Mt Tam I am · 10-06-2010, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Carno

I'm not sure I understand your tirade. Is there any other time, besides driving on a hill, that VDC impairs your driving?

Personally I don't understand the VDC hate, but I don't normally drive in such a way that would cause VDC to turn on. Is it impossible for some people drive in a manner that precludes VDC from activating? I don't get it. So far it seems like the only valid reasons for not having VDC on are when you're driving downhill and when on a track.

Almost all my driving is done up and downhill winding the entire way. To some this automatically makes me an *** and cheap. Instead of going to work and back home again.
Hate is too strong for the VDC. In the rain it is fine. What I hate is forgetting to turn it off. This is a personal decision. Everyone should be free to drive with the VDC in the position in which they are most comfortable without criticism.

Carno · 10-06-2010, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am

Almost all my driving is done up and downhill winding the entire way. To some this automatically makes me an *** and cheap. Instead of going to work and back home again.
Hate is too strong for the VDC. In the rain it is fine. What I hate is forgetting to turn it off. This is a personal decision. Everyone should be free to drive with the VDC in the position in which they are most comfortable without criticism.

I guess I've never noticed because I've only driven in relatively flat places.

cossie1600 · 10-05-2010, 10:25 AM

in a car with good stability control, keep it on. the garbage on the z is so intrusive that it should never be left on.

spearfish25 · 10-05-2010, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

in a car with good stability control, keep it on. the garbage on the z is so intrusive that it should never be left on.

Be careful with which audience you make these recommendations. It's important to separate your opinion of VDC in how it relates to your own driving as compared to the driving capabilities of the general public. I certainly don't want to be on public roads with everyone having their traction/stability controls turned off.

Jeffblue · 10-05-2010, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

in a car with good stability control, keep it on. the garbage on the z is so intrusive that it should never be left on.

what 'garbage' are you talking about? my VDC does not interfere with any daily driving of mine. what is your idea of daily driving? you shouldn't be taking corners so quickly that your car loses traction, and you shouldn't be getting on the car so hard that it loses traction as part of daily driving

cossie1600 · 10-05-2010, 11:25 AM

try living on a steep hill, it will bug the living hell out of you

Pharmacist · 10-05-2010, 06:03 PM

the one thing i don't like about vdc is how intrusive it is when accelerating in a straight line with low traction. for example a dusty road or when it's snowing. in these situations a bit of wheel spin is ok for the sake of acceleration. the vdc however becomes VERY intrusive and almost cuts off all throttle and you end up standing there going nowhere quickly. i actually prefer to turn off vdc and modulate the throttle a bit until i build up some speed and then turn it back on again.

m4a1mustang · 10-05-2010, 06:05 PM

There should be three modes: On, sport, and off.

Let's just say I was shocked when I found out how advanced the Ford stability and traction control systems are when compared to the Z.

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Pharmacist A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 1,249 Drives: 09 370z Sport 6MT Rep Power: 18	the one thing i don't like about vdc is how intrusive it is when accelerating in a straight line with low traction. for example a dusty road or when it's snowing. in these situations a bit of wheel spin is ok for the sake of acceleration. the vdc however becomes VERY intrusive and almost cuts off all throttle and you end up standing there going nowhere quickly. i actually prefer to turn off vdc and modulate the throttle a bit until i build up some speed and then turn it back on again. __________________ 2009 370z Sport Touring/Nismo shift Knob/Z1 motorsports 34 row oil cooler

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	There should be three modes: On, sport, and off. Let's just say I was shocked when I found out how advanced the Ford stability and traction control systems are when compared to the Z. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 30	in a car with good stability control, keep it on. the garbage on the z is so intrusive that it should never be left on.

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cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 30	try living on a steep hill, it will bug the living hell out of you