Z vs Gen.

Red370 · 10-04-2010, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by chuckd05

a 2.0t gen coupe could become a nasty beast if the right things are done... ive seen one with over 400 whp already with about 4k into it.

you can build the engine and replace the turbo for 4k? i've read quite a bit about that 2.0 and manufacturers are hard pressed to pull any kind of power out of it at all, I believe it was import tuner that did a test and tune with it and with about 3k worth of parts, pulled out an astounding 30whp!!

Red370 · 10-04-2010, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by I want a Z

It's something like 100lbs heavier then the Z with a longer wheelbase and backseats. I would hardly call it heavy.

I can't speak for others, but I am comparing it to the Z because my requirement for a new car is, something comfortable, fast and a fun car to drive and they both fall in that category.

You may one to take one for a drive before you continue to bash it.

might wanna look elsewhere, because it doesnt come close to fitting the bill for fast, 2.0 or 3.8. It may be fun, but thats subjective. If you want something fast and cheap and would have room in the back for a soccer team and groceries, look into a mazdaspeed 3.

I want a Z · 10-04-2010, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Red370

I've had a 370 and now drive a 5.0, I think i'll pass on that Hyundai trash

5.0 also a great car and on my short list.
You should just take a glance at the Hyundai, it's far from trash.
The interior is actually much nicer then the 5.0 (which I do like)

Red370 · 10-04-2010, 12:19 PM

never claimed the 5.0's interior was great, it sucks actually. I've never been one for interiors anyways, im a performance guy and like I said, if its fun and speed that you want, you might want to cross shop at MS3 as well. Hyundai left a sour taste in my mouth after my ex and I owned a Sonata, worst car i've ever owned. They may have upped their quality since then, but i'm just not a fan of the looks of the genesis. You might also want to take a look at the FT-86 when it comes out.

I want a Z · 10-04-2010, 12:34 PM

Performance on the 5.0 is awesome, but I drove the gen and it was good enough. I will never take a car to the track and could care less who can beat me at a red light, I've matured past that

FT-86 looks great but if I keep waiting for the next best, I will never get a car.

Red370 · 10-04-2010, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by I want a Z

Performance on the 5.0 is awesome, but I drove the gen and it was good enough. I will never take a car to the track and could care less who can beat me at a red light, I've matured past that

FT-86 looks great but if I keep waiting for the next best, I will never get a car.

I think you've already convinced yourself that you're going with the genesis, no problem there man, its your money in the end. But i'll say this, whatever car you end up with, i think you'd want something with alot of options to upgrade, both in styling and performance, right now the genesis aftermarket is moving along much much slower than the Z's, I have two coworkers, one with a red 2.0 and one with the 3.8, and I hear them complaining all the time about lack of support in the aftermarket, the 3.8 guy is even considering trading up for a 5.0.

CBRich · 10-04-2010, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sonic370

Anyone who can afford a g37 wouldn't even think of looking at the genesis coupe. and people looking at the genesis wish they could afford the g37 instead

I have absolutely no problem affording a G37. In fact, I highly considered getting one. I also considered the 135i and the Genesis Coupe. I ended up with the Z though.

I want a Z · 10-04-2010, 12:58 PM

I am a stock guy could care less about aftermarket parts
I just want to buy something - drive it and enjoy

Red370 · 10-04-2010, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by i want a z

i am a stock guy could care less about aftermarket parts
i just want to buy something - drive it and enjoy

370.

CBRich · 10-04-2010, 01:13 PM

This conversation would be much less tense and much more logical if everyone who HAS NOT driven all the cars being argued would take a hike.

I tested them all. The G, the Gen, the 370, the 135, the 335. They all have strong points and weak points. Seriously, don't bash a car you know nothing about based on the 92 Excel or your friend's car or what you heard.

I want a Z · 10-04-2010, 01:56 PM

One thing that I think the Gen Coupe does better then all the other cars is their website
If you have not seen it, check it out. Very cool. Make sure you turn on the driver radio in the lower right corner
Hyundai Genesis Coupe: Affordable Performance 300+hp Sport Coupe | Hyundai

matt@qc · 10-05-2010, 01:16 PM

Well what do you figure. 2 weeks later, I'm in an intricate position.

I was just offered to take up my lease on my Genesis Coupe 3.8, which I accepted.

I'm now car shopping again.

List:
G37S 7AT
135i M-Sport DCT
370Z 6MT
Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track (GT up here)
Subaru STI 2011

I tried all the above yesterday.

370Z:
I have no real intention of going with a 2 seater, but I had to test drive the 370Z. I stand by what I said, the Genesis Coupe and Z should not be compared. The Z is simply in a another league of focus. You are literally sitting on the floor boards and your legs parallel to the floor as well. There is next to no visibility out the back and in front, the hood takes a **** load of place, I could barely see the apex'es and I'm 6"1.

The engine is in another world compared to the Lambda 3.8. You can clearly see how the drivetrain has been lightened to allow crystal clear throttle response. It is truly amazing. The way the motor constantly wants to rev is impressive as well, massive torque from 4,000 to 7,500 is blood amazing. A downside to the high revs is the vibration, wow, at high RPMs it's even worse than a Subaru boxer.

The 370Z is a no compromise, focused sports car and I really don't see how one could DD this car. No visiblity, road comfort comparable to my GC on 10/12 coilovers, limited space and high road noise make it a no-no for me. Anyone looking for a second car should take a second look at the Z before going with a Z4 or Cayman. For close to half the price, it's an amazing weekend warrior.

G37 7AT

Beside the 370Z, there was a silver G37S, freshly cleaned. It was truly beautiful, better looking IMO than a GC in stock form, it is far more classy thanks to the chrome add-ons. I was a bit underwhelmed by the tire sizes, I feel a 3600,3700 lbs car should have wider tires and it showed during the test drive.

The interior is great, you can clearly see Infiniti didn't have to cut corners to meet its price tag, versus the Hyundai. Out on the drive, the 7AT is butter smooth and very quick, the 1-2-3 shifts were close, which crooked my perspective of speed. It felt faster than it really was, the Z was completely the opposite.

Let's face it, even in S trim, this car isn't the best handling car of the group. A Genesis Coupe 3.8 feels more nimble and the steering feel and feedback is better. It felt heavy, and it is, no surprises there. Where the G37 is better is clearly in the power and drive train.

There are no major faults to this car, but all in all, I still think it is 10% better than the GC for 33% more. It's a striking 200$ per month additional up here and in my eyes, not worth it.

I want a Z · 10-05-2010, 01:58 PM

I loved the G37, my biggest gripe with it were the seats. The bottom bolsters we just uncomfortable. I can't imagine driving an hour in them.

shadoquad · 10-05-2010, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by matt@qc

The 370Z is a no compromise, focused sports car and I really don't see how one could DD this car.

I have a twisted perspective on things. I grew up driving light, 2-seat apex carvers. Imo, the "DD" requirements are a tad overrated. I mean, I don't mind an aching butt and lower back because of low seats and firm suspension. I couldn't care less about road noise. Limited visibility is an issue, but it just means that you have to know the vehicle's limits and drive very carefully in select situations. I also ignore the complaint of DD'ing a manual transmission car in heavy traffic. I still prefer the level of control in a manual.

Why? Because I prefer fun to practicality.

Push370zzz · 10-05-2010, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

I have a twisted perspective on things. I grew up driving light, 2-seat apex carvers. Imo, the "DD" requirements are a tad overrated. I mean, I don't mind an aching butt and lower back because of low seats and firm suspension. I couldn't care less about road noise. Limited visibility is an issue, but it just means that you have to know the vehicle's limits and drive very carefully in select situations. I also ignore the complaint of DD'ing a manual transmission car in heavy traffic. I still prefer the level of control in a manual.

Why? Because I prefer fun to practicality.

Yeah no kidding. I daily drive this thing and have found it's actually more comfortable than my Altima. Granted it's not much for storage, but my briefcase fits perfectly behind the passenger seat and it's all I need for work or school. In my opinion it's the perfect daily driver.

10-04-2010, 12:19 PM	#94 (permalink)
Red370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany Posts: 4,391 Drives: your mom to church Rep Power: 296	never claimed the 5.0's interior was great, it sucks actually. I've never been one for interiors anyways, im a performance guy and like I said, if its fun and speed that you want, you might want to cross shop at MS3 as well. Hyundai left a sour taste in my mouth after my ex and I owned a Sonata, worst car i've ever owned. They may have upped their quality since then, but i'm just not a fan of the looks of the genesis. You might also want to take a look at the FT-86 when it comes out. __________________ 2011 Mustang 5.0 \| 3.55's \| Lethal Performance off road H-Pipe \| Magnaflow Muffler Delete \| JLT CAI/Bama tuned 417whp/ 404 ft/lbs

10-05-2010, 01:16 PM	#102 (permalink)
matt@qc Base Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: QC, Canada Posts: 26 Drives: Genesis Coupe Rep Power: 15	Well what do you figure. 2 weeks later, I'm in an intricate position. I was just offered to take up my lease on my Genesis Coupe 3.8, which I accepted. I'm now car shopping again. List: G37S 7AT 135i M-Sport DCT 370Z 6MT Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track (GT up here) Subaru STI 2011 I tried all the above yesterday. 370Z: I have no real intention of going with a 2 seater, but I had to test drive the 370Z. I stand by what I said, the Genesis Coupe and Z should not be compared. The Z is simply in a another league of focus. You are literally sitting on the floor boards and your legs parallel to the floor as well. There is next to no visibility out the back and in front, the hood takes a ** load of place, I could barely see the apex'es and I'm 6"1. The engine is in another world compared to the Lambda 3.8. You can clearly see how the drivetrain has been lightened to allow crystal clear throttle response. It is truly amazing. The way the motor constantly wants to rev is impressive as well, massive torque from 4,000 to 7,500 is blood amazing. A downside to the high revs is the vibration, wow, at high RPMs it's even worse than a Subaru boxer. The 370Z is a no compromise, focused sports car and I really don't see how one could DD this car. No visiblity, road comfort comparable to my GC on 10/12 coilovers, limited space and high road noise make it a no-no for me. Anyone looking for a second car should take a second look at the Z before going with a Z4 or Cayman. For close to half the price, it's an amazing weekend warrior. G37 7AT** Beside the 370Z, there was a silver G37S, freshly cleaned. It was truly beautiful, better looking IMO than a GC in stock form, it is far more classy thanks to the chrome add-ons. I was a bit underwhelmed by the tire sizes, I feel a 3600,3700 lbs car should have wider tires and it showed during the test drive. The interior is great, you can clearly see Infiniti didn't have to cut corners to meet its price tag, versus the Hyundai. Out on the drive, the 7AT is butter smooth and very quick, the 1-2-3 shifts were close, which crooked my perspective of speed. It felt faster than it really was, the Z was completely the opposite. Let's face it, even in S trim, this car isn't the best handling car of the group. A Genesis Coupe 3.8 feels more nimble and the steering feel and feedback is better. It felt heavy, and it is, no surprises there. Where the G37 is better is clearly in the power and drive train. There are no major faults to this car, but all in all, I still think it is 10% better than the GC for 33% more. It's a striking 200$ per month additional up here and in my eyes, not worth it. Last edited by matt@qc; 10-05-2010 at 01:25 PM.

10-04-2010, 12:34 PM	#95 (permalink)
I want a Z Base Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: MD Posts: 225 Drives: 03 Chevy Avalanche Rep Power: 15	Performance on the 5.0 is awesome, but I drove the gen and it was good enough. I will never take a car to the track and could care less who can beat me at a red light, I've matured past that FT-86 looks great but if I keep waiting for the next best, I will never get a car.

10-04-2010, 12:58 PM	#98 (permalink)
I want a Z Base Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: MD Posts: 225 Drives: 03 Chevy Avalanche Rep Power: 15	I am a stock guy could care less about aftermarket parts I just want to buy something - drive it and enjoy

10-04-2010, 01:13 PM	#100 (permalink)
CBRich A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SC Posts: 2,464 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 544	This conversation would be much less tense and much more logical if everyone who HAS NOT driven all the cars being argued would take a hike. I tested them all. The G, the Gen, the 370, the 135, the 335. They all have strong points and weak points. Seriously, don't bash a car you know nothing about based on the 92 Excel or your friend's car or what you heard.

10-04-2010, 01:56 PM	#101 (permalink)
I want a Z Base Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: MD Posts: 225 Drives: 03 Chevy Avalanche Rep Power: 15	One thing that I think the Gen Coupe does better then all the other cars is their website If you have not seen it, check it out. Very cool. Make sure you turn on the driver radio in the lower right corner Hyundai Genesis Coupe: Affordable Performance 300+hp Sport Coupe \| Hyundai

10-05-2010, 01:58 PM	#103 (permalink)
I want a Z Base Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: MD Posts: 225 Drives: 03 Chevy Avalanche Rep Power: 15	I loved the G37, my biggest gripe with it were the seats. The bottom bolsters we just uncomfortable. I can't imagine driving an hour in them.