Z vs Gen.

Supergoji

alrighhhht.

first off a well driven 350z is a low to mid 13 second car.

next a Genesis coupe is not 90% of a G37. that we all know. but it's close as far as luxury and standard features go.

the genesis coupe is an ok car, but it needs a couple more generations till becomes a great car. with the proper body mods it looks great, it sounds great, and im sure with the proper suspension mods it handles great too. but out of the factory it needs work.

and the engine in the genesis is FAR from bulletproof, hyundai shot themselves in the foot when they decided to use a watered down version of the 4B11, instead of using the lancer evo's engine. they should have also given it better gearing. which we all know helps.

right now ford rules the roost as far as cheap speed goes. the EVO may have a chance but it's still a 4cyl and doesnt have the wide range of power and torque that the V8's and stronger V6's have. for the money its a great car, but for 30,000, i'd rather have a mustang GT with 430hp (412hp is the underrated advertised amount)

Now that the Z is in it's 7th generation nissan has finally started to get a bit of a grip on the performance thing. they nailed it with the twin turbo 300zx THAT engine is near bulletproof with examples being taken up to 750hp that are daily driven on the stock internals. but the current Z still has some issues which need addressing

no rear wiper
no turbos
ice-mode
no rear camera
and AGAIN with the freaking transmissions. then again nissan has never had a great transmission... there's always been some issue with the slave cylinder or the synchros or somthing in the performance cars. save the R35 GTR, the Z32, and the last gen GTR's as far as i know. Z32's, R32's and R33's had issues with the 4th and 5th gear synchros but it was later addressed with the Z32's 1998 transmission.

anyways the Z34 is a much better car then the Gen coupe, both in performance, looks and modability. the Z has and will always be a cult favorite, and performance benchmark and bargain. for the money right now there is no other FR car that can match it's all around performance. yes the camaro and GT are faster in a straight line but the Z is better in all the other aspects.

however for the money if you dont have the extra 10grand to spend on a Z the Gen coupe is great for what it is, a bargain sporty car.

butt if you have the 30k to 35k to spend on a Z or Gen coupe, i'd rather get a Supra, or an NSx, or a 300zx or a 350z and dump 20g's into it.

theDreamer

How is it snobbish to look at a car, one of which I went in a long test drive for, and define it as not in the same class as a G? Everything you are listing are just specs, but at the end of the day it falls short of competing on any level.

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Jordo!

Now, now -- the CG is a pretty sweet car -- but for the money there is only going to be so much performance/amenities crammed in.

No reason to dis the CG.

Still, I don't see why it gets compared to the G37 (a more luxury oriented car anyway). Was the G37 released before the Z?

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theDreamer

I do not think anyone is dissing the car, but it is not almost a G for a super cheap price.

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daisuke149

I dont think no rear wiper is an issue. I dont like them
You only need turbo's when you dont have enough performance so thats not really an "issue" thats like saying the z06 not having turbo's is a problem.
No rear camera again isnt an issue...

Issues are the CSC, no oil cooler..

Mercennarius

Do you take the time to look out actual facts or do you just make things up?

A G37 is only marginally cheaper then a 335i, if you can afford a G you can afford a 3 Series. The 3 Series, G37, IS, etc. are all direct competitors.

Mercennarius

And G37s dyno 275-280+WHP bone stock and weigh nearly the same as the Gen 3.8 Coupe. With basic bolt ons G37/370Zs are easily 300+WHP.

Maybe for a Hyundai. People have been boosting NA cars for DECADES with success. Most of Nissans engines are built pretty strong and can take boost no problem if tuned correctly. People have already made 600++WHP on bone stock internal VQ37s.


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Stock VQ37 dyno vs the same engine with GTMs Twin-Turbo setup:


^ That car was on 91 octane and bone stock internals and stock cams.

And whats a full bolt on and tune 2.0T make? Stock 3.8 power?

optiontrader

I can see why - potential G37 buyers may try out the GC and see what more than $10k off sticker gets them with the same features. With the economy and all, maybe more people are doing this now? Some may take the money, and remodel their kitchen, or take the better half to Europe.

For $32k, it still looks pretty good. I would have tried it out, but I got the "go ahead" for the two seater instead.

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UNKNOWN_370

Ok, I own the G37s, have driven the 370z and also have driven the genesis coupe.
The Z is a whole other entity. With that 100inch wheelbase and aggressive bullyish gearing its just a whole other animal. Its pretty much shameful to be a Z owner and look toward a genesis coupe to be the center of a quality and performance debate. The Z competitors are either way above in price or if they run in the range, they run smaller weaker engines. The genesis is NOT a good comparison.

G37s vs Genesis Coupe

Making a long story short. Tthe genesis coupe fails against the G in its tranny. Both G tranny's are way more aggressive and hyundai needs either a dct or some serious tranny retuning. On the other aspect. A fully loaded gencoupe 3.8 track/auto/nav runs right under 34k. Its quarter times run somewhere between 13.8 and 14.2. ( I don't know where some get mid-14). The gen feels more tossable while the G feels more precise. The exhaust note is nearly identical. The interior quality is not similar. The g37s is way more superior. One thing that must be pointed out the. A gencoupe starts at $25k straight. A G37s starts at $36.9k . For the price difference it better be superior. The gen is about .05 seconds slower than the G. But its 200lbs lighter. I blame that on an overprogam protected ECU. I don't see the gencoupe taking several generations to catch up. Over the past 5 years hyundai has been catching up fastwr than most car companies expect.

I love my g37s. I wouldn't give it up for a gen BUT, I respect what hyundai has done. I know my infinit is just a glorified nissan wannabe maserati/jaguar/aston martin that will never compare. Just as the Z is a fake azz broke azz wanna porsche caymanS that could never be as refined or as predictable as a porsche. It doesn't mean the Z and G suck. I still think they are excellent values.
As far as the Z/g37 goes, it delivers for the money. These cars run from 32k to 53k. The gen 3.8 runs from 25k to 34k. It delivers for the price. Its handling is precise. Its very nimble. And feels like a real sports car handling wise. One day I hope its fitted with the proper tranny and tune in order to show its full potential. Last thing. The gen is right around 3400lbs with a full suspension set up that's made of iron and steel. The day the gen goes aluminum, it will instantly drop 250lbs. And if it gets a 7dct ala mitsubishi at the same time. U might see its track time increase by as much as a second? These are just guesstimations but its very possible.
Anyway conclusion... the Z is king in its price range and purpose. The gen, is the ultimate alternative when u compare most other GT's in the price range are FWD.

280z/300zx

Lets make this a bit more clear. The 07-08 350z that has the HR motor is a mid to low 13 sec car. The 03-06 350z is a low 14 to high 13 sec car. Big difference between the two groups.

Z BEST

I'm not going to get into too much with this but I did have a Genesis 3.8 gt for a year and just recently traded it off for the Z. There are pros and cons for each but to me the pros on the Z out weigh that of the gen. Don't get me wrong the gen is a nice car but to me the Z just looks better and handles better imo. Most people I talk to with the genesis wanted to get the Z but its either the price issue or no backseat factor. Everyone does have their own opinions when it comes to cars but in my opinion the Z does better when it comes to handling, suspension, heck when I went over little bumps with the genesis I thought my stomache fell out my azz but with the Z when I go over the same bumps you can barely feel it. I always wanted a Z too so I don't think that really helped with me being happy with my genesis. All in all hyundai is making some okay rides that are coming out, but I must say the Z just screams sexy all around, to me. (I should also state I went up against my gen vs z and I lost lol.)

Push370zzz

I would not consider a G37 a poor mans 335i by any means, if anything a 335i is a more expensive G37 that looks more drab. It's a great car, but as far as build quality they are pretty much the same..not the difference between the Genesis and the G.

I don't think anybody is saying that people nearly go broke with every car purchase, but nobody about to buy a G37 if it is well within their financial means is going to see a Genesis and change their mind. I can understand giving it a fair chance but I mean come on man...have you even looked at your car next to a G? Great value is absolutely true, great performance, decent looks, okay interior...but pulling up in between the two at a stop light and my head is looking at the G.....

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Jeffblue

i think a big factor is what each brand/car is striving for. Nissan is trying to be on the same level as the cayman S, which, although its not a 911, its a serious sports car. Granted, the Z is not the cayman, but lets face it for the money, its pretty damn close. Now, you've got the genesis, which is striving to be a Z/g37 for less money. Nissan is setting its bar at Porsche. Hyundai is setting its bar at nissan. Assuming they both fall a bit short, which is going to be a better car? The one thats almost a porsche cayman, or the one thats almost a nissan Z?

daisuke149

now thats a dumb statement

I could afford the g37 and was looking at them, the 370z and the gen Coupe.

Just because you can Afford something doesnt mean you HAVE to spend that high amount. It was looking at things like is spending this extra amount worth it.

In the end of course I didnt get the g37 or the gen coupe.... I ended up getting a new fully loaded 370z and a new versa as well. (50k combined just to let ya know that the g37 again, was easily affordable)

but heres why I chose the 370z.

The Gen coupe is a good car. heck its a great car. No one else offers what it does, for the price. Meaning its a Sporty, everyday somewhat cheap vehicle. People who want something comfortable, reliable, fun but doesnt WANT to spend a ton (doesnt want to, not can't).

In looking at the g37 no doubt it was a good vehicle, but I would just be getting a slightly spruced up gen coupe per say. I personally didnt feel that the g37 performed that much better than the gen coupe to be worth it. So then the 370z came into play. I like the fact that the 370z is uncompromising in the fact that its a sports car. They didnt try to make it 2+2, or raise it up a tad just so more people purchase it. I feel that was a problem with the Gen Coupe. Hyundai could have made it better, but they made it a bit "soft" to appeal to a broader market. I mean heck nothing wrong with that cus its a business, but I don't like that. Same with the g37, I felt it wasnt for someone who is going purely for performance and I didn't want to compromise on that aspect.

Thus the 370z and then the versa so i dont daily drive it (although i pretty much am cus i enjoy it )

matt@qc

Talk about buying into marketing.

The Z's target; the Porsche Cayman S, is leaps and bounds above the Z in pretty much every category, including price and differs in many manufacturer's philosophy. The Cayman being a MR layout, focuses on feel while being held down by Porsche corporate due to the 911. It's been made quite evident the MR layout of the Cayman is far superior to the RR by witnessing lightly modded Cayman S chase down GT3s at the track.

1st; The Gen Coupe is much closer to a G, than it is to a Z, for the simple fact the GC and G are GT Sport Cars, whereas the Z is an uncompromised 2 seater sports car. As a matter of fact, in none of Hyundai's literature does it aim at the Z or Nissan, it aims fair and square at the Infiniti G37.

2nd; The GC is much closer to the G coupe than the Z is to the Cayman S be it in price, layout, performance and overall package.

There are some very well thought out posts in this thread and of course, others that absolutely aren't. The Genesis Coupe is far from being perfect, and proper criticism is welcome when properly explained.

UNKNOWN 370 brought up good points, the Genesis Coupe Achilles heel is its transmission, precisely the 6MT. It was not outsourced, which all Genesis owners feel is a mistake considering it is their first true sports oriented car. The gearing is off, the feel is off and the quality is low. I'm currently on my second transmission, and they seem to have fixed the issue.

Any GC or Z owners that feel they need to compare the two are out of their minds, period. The proper comparison is with the G37.

When Hyundai releases a 5.0 GDI 2 seater coupe, we'll compare it to the Z, the Mustang, heck even the M3, until then Hyundai is improving the Genesis Coupe in its current plaform. The MY2011 have received interior material upgrades and revised transmissions. The MY2012 will receive GDI engines and should supposedly introduce the new V8 model.

Hear me right, I never really liked Hyundai, and as some of you right now, I would have literally laughed at the possibility of owning one. Today, things have changed and the little benefits gained in putting 10 to 15 000$ on a depreciating asset is definitely not worth it in my eyes and to the majority of the market.