Z vs Gen.

optiontrader

I can see why - potential G37 buyers may try out the GC and see what more than $10k off sticker gets them with the same features. With the economy and all, maybe more people are doing this now? Some may take the money, and remodel their kitchen, or take the better half to Europe.

For $32k, it still looks pretty good. I would have tried it out, but I got the "go ahead" for the two seater instead.

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UNKNOWN_370

Ok, I own the G37s, have driven the 370z and also have driven the genesis coupe.
The Z is a whole other entity. With that 100inch wheelbase and aggressive bullyish gearing its just a whole other animal. Its pretty much shameful to be a Z owner and look toward a genesis coupe to be the center of a quality and performance debate. The Z competitors are either way above in price or if they run in the range, they run smaller weaker engines. The genesis is NOT a good comparison.

G37s vs Genesis Coupe

Making a long story short. Tthe genesis coupe fails against the G in its tranny. Both G tranny's are way more aggressive and hyundai needs either a dct or some serious tranny retuning. On the other aspect. A fully loaded gencoupe 3.8 track/auto/nav runs right under 34k. Its quarter times run somewhere between 13.8 and 14.2. ( I don't know where some get mid-14). The gen feels more tossable while the G feels more precise. The exhaust note is nearly identical. The interior quality is not similar. The g37s is way more superior. One thing that must be pointed out the. A gencoupe starts at $25k straight. A G37s starts at $36.9k . For the price difference it better be superior. The gen is about .05 seconds slower than the G. But its 200lbs lighter. I blame that on an overprogam protected ECU. I don't see the gencoupe taking several generations to catch up. Over the past 5 years hyundai has been catching up fastwr than most car companies expect.

I love my g37s. I wouldn't give it up for a gen BUT, I respect what hyundai has done. I know my infinit is just a glorified nissan wannabe maserati/jaguar/aston martin that will never compare. Just as the Z is a fake azz broke azz wanna porsche caymanS that could never be as refined or as predictable as a porsche. It doesn't mean the Z and G suck. I still think they are excellent values.
As far as the Z/g37 goes, it delivers for the money. These cars run from 32k to 53k. The gen 3.8 runs from 25k to 34k. It delivers for the price. Its handling is precise. Its very nimble. And feels like a real sports car handling wise. One day I hope its fitted with the proper tranny and tune in order to show its full potential. Last thing. The gen is right around 3400lbs with a full suspension set up that's made of iron and steel. The day the gen goes aluminum, it will instantly drop 250lbs. And if it gets a 7dct ala mitsubishi at the same time. U might see its track time increase by as much as a second? These are just guesstimations but its very possible.
Anyway conclusion... the Z is king in its price range and purpose. The gen, is the ultimate alternative when u compare most other GT's in the price range are FWD.

Z BEST

I'm not going to get into too much with this but I did have a Genesis 3.8 gt for a year and just recently traded it off for the Z. There are pros and cons for each but to me the pros on the Z out weigh that of the gen. Don't get me wrong the gen is a nice car but to me the Z just looks better and handles better imo. Most people I talk to with the genesis wanted to get the Z but its either the price issue or no backseat factor. Everyone does have their own opinions when it comes to cars but in my opinion the Z does better when it comes to handling, suspension, heck when I went over little bumps with the genesis I thought my stomache fell out my azz but with the Z when I go over the same bumps you can barely feel it. I always wanted a Z too so I don't think that really helped with me being happy with my genesis. All in all hyundai is making some okay rides that are coming out, but I must say the Z just screams sexy all around, to me. (I should also state I went up against my gen vs z and I lost lol.)

Jeffblue

i think a big factor is what each brand/car is striving for. Nissan is trying to be on the same level as the cayman S, which, although its not a 911, its a serious sports car. Granted, the Z is not the cayman, but lets face it for the money, its pretty damn close. Now, you've got the genesis, which is striving to be a Z/g37 for less money. Nissan is setting its bar at Porsche. Hyundai is setting its bar at nissan. Assuming they both fall a bit short, which is going to be a better car? The one thats almost a porsche cayman, or the one thats almost a nissan Z?

matt@qc

Talk about buying into marketing.

The Z's target; the Porsche Cayman S, is leaps and bounds above the Z in pretty much every category, including price and differs in many manufacturer's philosophy. The Cayman being a MR layout, focuses on feel while being held down by Porsche corporate due to the 911. It's been made quite evident the MR layout of the Cayman is far superior to the RR by witnessing lightly modded Cayman S chase down GT3s at the track.

1st; The Gen Coupe is much closer to a G, than it is to a Z, for the simple fact the GC and G are GT Sport Cars, whereas the Z is an uncompromised 2 seater sports car. As a matter of fact, in none of Hyundai's literature does it aim at the Z or Nissan, it aims fair and square at the Infiniti G37.

2nd; The GC is much closer to the G coupe than the Z is to the Cayman S be it in price, layout, performance and overall package.

There are some very well thought out posts in this thread and of course, others that absolutely aren't. The Genesis Coupe is far from being perfect, and proper criticism is welcome when properly explained.

UNKNOWN 370 brought up good points, the Genesis Coupe Achilles heel is its transmission, precisely the 6MT. It was not outsourced, which all Genesis owners feel is a mistake considering it is their first true sports oriented car. The gearing is off, the feel is off and the quality is low. I'm currently on my second transmission, and they seem to have fixed the issue.

Any GC or Z owners that feel they need to compare the two are out of their minds, period. The proper comparison is with the G37.

When Hyundai releases a 5.0 GDI 2 seater coupe, we'll compare it to the Z, the Mustang, heck even the M3, until then Hyundai is improving the Genesis Coupe in its current plaform. The MY2011 have received interior material upgrades and revised transmissions. The MY2012 will receive GDI engines and should supposedly introduce the new V8 model.

Hear me right, I never really liked Hyundai, and as some of you right now, I would have literally laughed at the possibility of owning one. Today, things have changed and the little benefits gained in putting 10 to 15 000$ on a depreciating asset is definitely not worth it in my eyes and to the majority of the market.

Jeffblue

i was just trying to stay on topic since this topic was 'z vs GC'

i agree with you on the cayman being put down by porsche corporate. However, the Z is very close in performance to the cayman, but the price difference is huge. Where as the GC is close to the performance of the infiniti, but the price difference isn't that huge, making someone more likely to jump to the infiniti from a GC than a Z to a cayman.

Lemers

I agree with Pop

The rear whiper is a non-issue (I wouldn't rule out a car based on rear whipers)

I would have gotten a rear camera if it were availible but it wasn't and it wasn't availible on the Gen at the time I bought my Z so no comparison needed (Oh the 2011 Z will have rear cameras availible)

would it be cool to have turbos hell yeah, but I'm not wanting to spend $50k to $60k on a car

And Nissan needs to get off their a$$ and not play warranty games if Z owners have oil cools installed.


The Z is not a luxury car and neither is the Gen, the Z is a true sports car that is some the Gen can't claim.

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ihatepotholes

give me a effing break, i can't believe people are comparing the genesis to g37.

guy sounds a lot like you are trying to justify your purchase, just be happy with what you have. but you need a reality check if you think genesis comes remotely close to a g37. and no im not a g37 owner, this is pure unbiased opinion

matt@qc

Good thing you ride a bicycle.

P.S.: You don't need to own either to be a fanboy. Your lack of either car also doesn't make your opinion any less subjective.

ihatepotholes

Lol so I'm a fan boy by default because I think one is superior to another? Hahaha so because I disagree with you and my opinion is some how biased? Are you in high school? Lol go on my350z and find out what I drive

daisuke149

you may not own a g37 and have probably never cehcked out a gen coupe.. so then yes your opinion is probably actually very biased. heck most people in this country think of Hyundai as that off brand.. justt too stupid and stubborn to realize that they are a competitor today just like the big 3 Japanese Auto makers.

and since were on a 370z forum, im not trying to justify my buying a 370z but am still saying that the gen coupe can be compared to the g37 you can have similar fun, features for less money. Lets face it. were on the internet discussing cars so obviously we give a **** about cares more than the average Joe Blow. Will the average guy see a huge difference in the g37 and gen coupe? Yes... they will see the 8k price difference and shorter warranty. That is if they can compare both cars without the ridiculous thoughts of Oh Hyundai still makes cars that last 2 days.

P.S 20 years ago plenty of people said "i will never buy that shitty nissan or datsun".

ihatepotholes

so you automatically ASSUMED I have never checked out the genesis. I didn't even bother to read your post after the first sentence. Get all the imformation first next time u wanna start an argument or discussion. So u wouldn't sound like an 'u know what'

daisuke149

Seems like you didn't bother to read alot of posts or in general alot of things that compare the gen coupe to the g37.

Like i said in other statements, to us people who are "enthusiastic" about cars they may not compare, but to average joe blow, they do. Unless they are the type of people who think Hyundai, ewwww.

So try to have an unbiased opinion before you say its unbiased.

ihatepotholes

Umm... I was in the passenger seat of a genesis for 2 hours, the build quality is not on par with g37, not even close. Ride quality is far from it too. Now I'm all about speed and normally I don't care about the creature comfort and such. But this car has nothing. I'm not a fan of VQ engines so yes I am unbiased

GZ3

i cant believe these 2 cars are being compared...a hyundai vs INFINITI...are you serious...the GC may perform well but please...hyundai, kia, they are generic cheap vehicles. They may perform, and have good build quality as of lately but they are not to be compared to INFINITY g37. I would never cross shop these two vehicles

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