Z vs Gen.

matt@qc

I've cross shopped a G37, Genesis Coupe 3.8 and 135i.

With the Genesis Coupe 3.8 you get:
Brembo 4piston brakes at all 4 corners
Touch screen navigation system
5 year 100 000km warranty in Canada (US gets 10 year)
Optional ZF 6 speed AT (German manufacturer)
Power, heated and leather seats
Standard Bluetooth, Infinity sound system & Ipod interface

The 3.8 engine has proven to be bulletproof, something that can't be said about the 2.0T however.

The GC's interior is nicely laid out and has great ergonomics, though you can see where they cut the budget, lots of soft plastics are used. It is much better than the 100% hard plastic 350Z, but not as luxurious as the G37, that's for sure.

I still stand by what I said, the GC is 90% of a G37 for 66% of its price. If you feel the 10% additional you get from a G37 (mainly the interior), the badge and the, I would suppose, better service is worth 15k, then so be it.

I didn't.

FYI, I'm on the waiting list for the 1M, so this was certainly not a matter of financial means.

theDreamer

All of which you listed is only on par with the G37.
How do you define bulletproof? Does someone have over 100k miles on the car yet? Are there forced induction builds with over 50k miles on the car after the forced induction? How well does the car respond to upgrades (basic bolt ons & forced induction), what level can one reach before major upgrades are needed for the internals of the engine?

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matt@qc

I'm unsure this actually applies to any type of valuable comparaison. Stock vs Modded becomes obsolete and is barely of any value to 98% of the buyer's market, the later 2% being diehard enthusiasts.

In any case, what I listed were not advantages over the G37, as you said, it is on par, and on certain features slightly under, that's the 90% as stated earlier.

The car has barely been released for a year now, and FI options are becoming slowly available for the 3.8. Most of the aftermarket focus is on the 2.0T, it is considered the "tuner" platform. If you follow AutoBlog.com, ARK is going to release, in partnership with Hyundai, a supercharge option that can take the car up to 600hp with internal upgrades.

The stock internals are said to be safe for up to 400whp, though no one has confirmed. RMR never came through with their turbo kits which supposedly ran close to 450whp and 570wtq with new cams and stock internals.

The 3.8 responds very well to bolt-ons, being a heavily undertuned engine from the factory to comply with its 87 octane usage and extremely long warranty. 300whp is attainable with CAI, cat-back and a tune as demonstrated on the INJEN car. These cars dyno 250/260 whp in stock trim. CP-E long tube headers have dyno'ed at 14whp over stock without a tune.

I'd like to restate F/I'ing a N/A vehicle is stepping into a world of nightmares and unpredictable costs and if that really is your plan, you're better off with a Mustang. Fortunately we have the 2.0T for that, though it is no where close to the Evo X engine in terms of potential.

theDreamer

Hate to break it to you but putting forced induction onto the Z is very easy, guess what I have a supercharger on my car, and no more of a challenge than a Mustang.
Like I said, what you listed is nothing special for our cars, the G (and the Z) both have those and in better quality plus more. You somewhat proved my point in that the car is so new so saying the engine is bulletproof is not possible. Also, both of your forced induction mentions talk about internal upgrades with the kits.

The Genesis coupe brings forward a starting stone for Hyundai, but between material choices, lack of engine performance, and lower quality it proves not to be 90% of others on the market at the fraction of the price. It is a step below and a step below price.

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matt@qc

I will disregard your first point, as again, it barely applies to 2% of the target market, and if this is you, then the GC should not be on your list as it is indeed an unproven platform.

I still stand by what I said, the GC 3.8 is 90% of the G37's overall package for 66% of its price in the eye of the majority of its target market.

If F/I is on your mind, then it is indeed not 90% considering the unknowns in supercharging the 3.8. If you are such a fan of F/I, there are far better choices and with much less hassles (warranty and unknown issues) then going aftermarket on a N/A car (I.E.: 1M, 135i, 335i).

sonic370

Why would they even compare the two cars. It's not even close to being apples to apples. Anyone who can afford a g37 wouldn't even think of looking at the genesis coupe. and people looking at the genesis wish they could afford the g37 instead

matt@qc

X is the poor man's Y.

Applies to anything.

A g37 is a poor man's 335i.

If you think a car's price represents 100% of the allocated budget for a car, you are sadly mistaken.

theDreamer

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Jeffblue

and a 335i is a poor mans m3 and an m3 is a poor mans 911 turbo and a 911 turbo is a poor mans bugati veyron...

People don't put down the quality of hyundai until hyundai fans try to pull this whole 'we're just as good or better than x, y, z cars. hyundai genesis is a solid car. Its a really good value. Leave it at that and stop trying to compare it to cars that aren't in the same class. Its better than a civic or a corrolla or anything else ints price range.

Lemers

All I know is that this thread went from Z vs Gen to G37 vs Gen real quick. I guess even the Gen owner knows he can't touch the Z.

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ThoriumHotdog

Poor mans 335i?? Not much a price difference if you trick out the g37 with all the options. Now, the 335iS sure. That's a different story.

matt@qc

I agree. Though pretending the Genesis Coupe isn't in the same class nor competing with the G37 is of a snobbish attitude usually attributed to BMW drivers and quite frankly, out of touch from reality.

As I stated earlier, the GC is not comparable to the Z, it is to the G and this is shown in pretty much all the Genesis Coupe's marketing material and comparisons over the internet.

I'd like you guys to re-visit Edmund's Inside line review, and who actually came out on top and why. You'll find it is in line with what I stated earlier.

theDreamer

Using edmunds is laughable, they review cars on mpg, cup holders and other random traits. Sorry, but that is not a website I would use when trying to put then gen coupe in the G group.

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matt@qc

I will let the video do the talking.




If you still wish to dismiss this review, you are welcome to review the specs of both cars.

300hp + V6 - check
RWD - check
2+2 - check
GT Sport car - check
Asian origins - check
LSD - check
4 piston brakes - check
19" in wheels - check
Leather, power, heated seats - check
Bluetooth - check

If you still want to dismiss the GC as a competitor to the G37, then I feel you are far from a car enthusiast and derive into car snob ism.

ninous26

I think the Genesis 3.8 is highly over rated.. They struggle against G35's and with a couple mods on a G they start to lose pretty bad. Look up youtube videos.

EDIT: Speaking performance wise.. I still think the Genesis is pretty hot.