I think the Stang takes it by far.... I saw a black 5.0 that was lowered some this past Saturday. WOW. it looked and sounded great.

I just don't like the butt especially that bigass GT badge

I was considering the Boss 302. I know guy who did suspension development on the car and it is the best Mustang to come along in awhile! However the Nismo 370Z is just a more compelling car to me. Still smaller, still lighter, more agile, lower center of gravity, more aero, sleeker looking, more efficient design, etc. However 444 Boss 302 HP from high reving aluminum V8 is hard to ignore! Boss is an M3 beater if I have ever seen one. I'd love to a see Best of Motor video with a Japanese driver behind the wheel of the new Boss 302 with some JDM cars on one of those 5 lap races. Boss would smoke most cars in the straights.



Camaro is way too heavy and styling is still too "Transformers" for me! I'd feel really goofy driving one too. There is just something about modern era Chevy muscle cars that doesnt click with me. I loved the Z28 from the late 60's but they just look odd now.

It's built on the Chrysler 300 platform, i believe, so thats probably why it's dimensionally huge.

I'm not going to fault your point of view, as preferences are all personal, but I'm quite sure the BOSS is going to destroy most everything in or near its class on a road course. The regular 5.0 with Brembos is quite a bit quicker than the NISMO around a track already, and the Boss is going to seriously outdo the Brembo 5.0. I think its going to surprise the hell out of a lot of people.

linky?!

Sortable Times: Complete Lightning Lap Times 2006 to 2011 - Feature - Car and Driver

That's just one track and one test, but still...

Numbers 44 and 57, respectively

wasnt this the dreaded lighting lap where the nismo crashed?

It could have been. I remember that :bs:

yeah it was, i just looked it up...bahhhh ive had plenty of 5.0 seat time and just cant see it handling better than the Z...its gotta be the power difference shaving the time...it does feel like it brakes better with the brembos but...

I have plenty of seat time as well. I have no doubt the Brembo 5.0 is the faster car stock-for-stock around a track. It's better balanced, has better brakes, and can put the power down a lot better for a nice exit.

It drives much differently than the Z, though. I'd say it's a lot harder to drive the 5.0 fast than it is the Z.

The only place I could see the Z having an advantage is in Auto X. Lighter, shorter wheel base, and more nimble. Everywhere else the Brembo 5.0 has the edge.

Not knocking on the Z at all... just sharing my experience.

Three words, son... Ess Are Ayyyy... lol jk. Been a while since I busted that one out.:inoutroflpuke:

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^^^:confused:

Don't mind us, we're just speaking a super secret language found only in the DC/MD/VA area. :icon17:

It's a joke. Ppl used to say the Mustang is slow because of its solid rear axle (hence SRA).

Used to? Morons every day keep saying that. :rofl2:

Touche, salesman.
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/fa...f/Salesman.jpg

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true.. but still, it seems taller than the 300's!! then again, maybe it was the ridiculously oversized wheels on the one i saw... :shakes head:

Just out of curiosity, what did you think about the 8 and Genesis Coupe?

Yeah I dunno what it is. It'd be pretty sick if it was shorter. I just looks so odd how its stretched vertically.

when i test drove it it seemed soo heavy thou.

Yeah, they aimed at beating the M3 as their goal, and they were able to do it with a Boss 302 prototype their first lap out on the track. On the track I don't think the 370Z is even close to the same class, without serious modifications.

Speed has a pretty awesome 1 hour special about the making of the new Boss, it was very cool. I think it airs again next Saturday.

Yeah, they beat the M3 around Laguna Seca by over 3 seconds on the first lap out. And 3 seconds on Laguna is a LOT of time.

Nice, they didn't mention by how much on the show. That is very, very impressive.

Brembo GT?

It is bigger and heavier, you definitely feel it. The Z feels smaller and more nimble but that feel is kind of deceptive in that it makes you think the car is actually a better handler than the 5.0. They are just different feels and take different styles of driving.

The Z is more precise but it also has a lot of understeer built in, so it's got more of that "on rails" feeling when you push it really hard. You will lose the front end of the Z before you lose the rear if you really try to attack a corner too hard.

The Mustang is almost perfectly neutral in balance. It rotates the corner a lot better and can really exit well because of it. It's just a lot harder to drive fast because it's so much more free to rotate. You tend to slide more in the 5.0 and that makes it really difficult for an inexperienced driver to get it to go around a track quickly.

IMO if you put a total newb out on track in a Z and a Brembo 5.0, he'd probably be quicker early on with the Z because it's (based on my experience) much easier to drive at the limit. But a more experienced driver will be able to hustle the Mustang around the track a lot quicker.

Whatever, though. To each his own. If I could afford to do it right now I'd still have my 370Z and my 5.0 in the driveway. :tup:

Edit: And if I could really afford it I'd also have a drop top 5.0 and 370Z Roadster. :D

hey M4, did you have any links where the gt beats a 370Z anywhere besides lightning lap?? if not, no worries...i looked and couldnt find anything...just needed some morning readin' :tup:

You can check the 5.0 vs. M3 at Willow video where they are dead even. Otherwise there really aren't any direct comparos between the Z and 5.0 that I know of.

LOL!! That is so 'boss" (took it back to the 70's with that phrase!)

This shows that the Stang and the Z are really in different segments. Nissan created the Z to fight the Cayman. Ford created the Stang to take down the M3s and Camaros by default. I am not saying that they will not be crossed shop'd, but it is a key point....

The Boss should beat a M3 off the lot, and the Z, with a few light mods will hang with for certain, and probally beat a Cayman S on the track. Both cars accomplish their goals at a much more cost effective price. Not to mention you can work on the Stang and Z yourself if you like.

Auto fans rejoice!! I say all that but still do not take anything away from the M3 or Cayman.

There is actually... I just cannot remember who did it and I do not remember any vids of the comparo. They said they would rather have the 5.0 day to day, but the Z on the track as it was more fun..

They did acknowledge the Stang was faster however..

I think I remember the one you were talking about. No video, just a magazine article.

Funny thing is I think the Z's ride is a little more comfortable. It's not as stiff as the Brembo GT. The regular GT is probably pretty soft, though.

still lovin that 5.0 shirt in your avatar!

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FWIW that's not me in the picture, it's just some random thing I found on the google.

Buy shirt. Take picture.

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jwwaat! i thought that was you man! lol

For $35 I will stick to the free one I have right meow. :icon17:

$35 is a small price to pay for all the amusement.

Yeah but isn't that the attitude that got you herpes?

It was a mild case of the drips, you're such an exaggerator.