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mattjk 09-13-2010 07:33 PM

what to do?
 
So I've been working on a deal to trade my 370z in on a brand new old stock 2009 Lotus Elise, white base package.

Basically I wanted to trade in my 370z, with zero down, keep the payments the same but just extend the contract a year or so.

Best deal I could find was this white one, but they want an additional $3000 to cover tax and license.

While I've been waiting for a good deal to show up, I've put some wheels and tires on and lowered the Z. I really like it now, but damn I love the Elise too.

I was thinking I should just keep the Z and take the down payment money and invest in a GTM S/C kit. :happydance:

What would you do???

res0zsfa 09-13-2010 07:46 PM

a white lotus sounds awesome.. but imo, i think a lotus will be choked to see a 370z.
+1 on the supercharger.. +2 twin turbo

OMGWTFBBQ 09-13-2010 07:48 PM

Buy another Corolla. :D

It all depends on how badly you want that Elise. I'd personally rather have an Exige, but that's just me. The most important part is finding the right platform then building upon that. If you want the Elise REALLY badly, no matter how much you modify your Z, you're going to be thinking about that Elise.

Just curious, have you personally driven an Elise around town?

mattjk 09-13-2010 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by res0zsfa (Post 719579)
a white lotus sounds awesome.. but imo, i think a lotus will be choked to see a 370z.
+1 on the supercharger.. +2 twin turbo

TT is out of what I want to spend on mods... the S/C is a nice deal IMO.


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Originally Posted by OMGWTFBBQ (Post 719583)
Buy another Corolla. :D

It all depends on how badly you want that Elise. I'd personally rather have an Exige, but that's just me. The most important part is finding the right platform then building upon that. If you want the Elise REALLY badly, no matter how much you modify your Z, you're going to be thinking about that Elise.

Just curious, have you personally driven an Elise around town?

Yeah, my boss has one and while it is cramped for two people, it is fine for just myself.

I like the exige also, but not for the price.

This white 09 is only $37k, which is a super good deal.

OMGWTFBBQ 09-13-2010 08:33 PM

This isn't a daily driver right?

mattjk 09-13-2010 08:44 PM

Sure why not? My boss daily's his Elise.

PapoZalsa 09-13-2010 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mattjk (Post 719598)
TT is out of what I want to spend on mods... the S/C is a nice deal IMO.

A S/C will run you in the $8K including shipping and labor, at least the Stillen one.

BTW, if you are thinking on trading your Z you are throwing your money away on mods because you are never going to recuperated the entire cost of those mods.

mattjk 09-13-2010 09:55 PM

Wow, I might be foolish with my money, but I'm not a complete idiot. I would never buy a stillen s/c

gtm s/c kit is ~$5k and I and more than capable of installing it myself.

Mike 09-13-2010 10:45 PM

as long as you are small and don't have to carry stuff, go for the lotus.

res0zsfa 09-13-2010 10:58 PM

Oh wow~ now that you mention its 37k, id get the lotus.

m4a1mustang 09-13-2010 10:59 PM

The Lotus would be awesome.

The Z is probably easier to live with, though.

Jordo! 09-13-2010 11:08 PM

As much as I miss the sound of a 2ZZ screaming to redline, I say keep the Z and get it blown...

Zsteve 09-13-2010 11:09 PM

as a DD I hope its just small trips to and from cuz for a long ride all the time you will get uncomfortable and will be missing the little extras that most cars have as far as creature comforts go. But it would be great for a weekend car. I have seen a soldier on post with one and he was driving his GF around in it but she was hating it cuz he had no AC and the seats werent comfy for her.

Zsteve 09-13-2010 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 719898)
As much as I miss the sound of a 2ZZ screaming to redline, I say keep the Z and get blown...

what does getting blown have to do with this?

Red__Zed 09-13-2010 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 719903)
what does getting blown have to do with this?

:icon18:

SoCal 370Z 09-13-2010 11:21 PM

The Elise is a brilliant automobile, BUT as daily driver, and as others have alluded you might want to rethink keeping your 370Z. The interior of the Elise is restrictive, there is no spare, you need to be a better than average wrench if you are going to work on it, and you need to take it to shop that knows how to work on one as even lifting an Elise on car hoist, jack or any other lift, requires special considerations.

mattjk 09-13-2010 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCal 370Z (Post 719931)
The Elise is a brilliant automobile, BUT as daily driver, and as others have alluded you might want to rethink keeping your 370Z. The interior of the Elise is restrictive, there is no spare, you need to be a better than average wrench if you are going to work on it, and you need to take it to shop that knows how to work on one as even lifting an Elise on car hoist, jack or any other lift, requires special considerations.

I'm 5'11, not small but fairly slim and I fit fine. It is a struggle to get in and out but I'm used to it, I've lived with small cars all my life with race seats with extremely high bolsters... even so the elise is the toughest car i've tried getting in and out of.

I've very good mechanically. Extremely good, and I've already worked extensively on an elise; changing full exhaust, jacking it up, working on electrical, etc.

Like I mentioned before, my boss has one and he dailys it with no problem.

m4a1mustang 09-13-2010 11:32 PM

Well, it seems like you are really rationalizing the Lotus purchase, so it must be what you truly want. Go for it. :tup:

mattjk 09-13-2010 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 719903)
what does getting blown have to do with this?

actually, getting blown in an elise would be easier than in the Z. The Z's center console is too high! :tup:

Zsteve 09-13-2010 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mattjk (Post 719957)
I'm 5'11, not small but fairly slim and I fit fine. It is a struggle to get in and out but I'm used to it, I've lived with small cars all my life with race seats with extremely high bolsters... even so the elise is the toughest car i've tried getting in and out of.

I've very good mechanically. Extremely good, and I've already worked extensively on an elise; changing full exhaust, jacking it up, working on electrical, etc.

Like I mentioned before, my boss has one and he dailys it with no problem.

I bet he and his wife dont go to dinner in it. Or cross country.

m4a1mustang 09-13-2010 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 719966)
I bet he and his wife dont go to dinner in it. Or cross country.

A cross-country trip in an Elise would be BADASS. :driving::driving::driving::driving:

Zsteve 09-13-2010 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mattjk (Post 719961)
actually, getting blown in an elise would be easier than in the Z. The Z's center console is too high! :tup:

only for you young grasshopper, only for you. Gotta rise to the occasion.

m4a1mustang 09-13-2010 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 719970)
only for you young grasshopper, only for you. Gotta rise to the occasion.

:icon18::icon18::icon18:

Red__Zed 09-13-2010 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 719969)
A cross-country trip in an Elise would be BADASS. :driving::driving::driving::driving:

I think you meant to say "bad for your as.s"

m4a1mustang 09-13-2010 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DanGizinski (Post 719985)
I think you meant to say "bad for your ***"

Not if you get a butt pillow.

Zsteve 09-13-2010 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanGizinski (Post 719985)
I think you meant to say "bad for your as.s"

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 719988)
Not if you get a butt pillow.

the OP might need that and the NYC phone book to help get him over that rise of a center console.

mattjk 09-13-2010 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 719992)
the OP might need that and the NYC phone book to help get him over that rise of a center console.

:bowrofl:

Zsteve 09-13-2010 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mattjk (Post 720011)
:bowrofl:

No worries dude, just all in good fun.

jaedub 09-14-2010 12:08 AM

lotus is a high maintenance car. Changing brake/tire/oil etc. can be a pain. Z on the other hand, is way more reliable than the lotus. I'd say stick with the Z for your future reference.....tho i have to say lotus elise is pretty damn sexy

optiontrader 09-14-2010 01:01 AM

Lotus Elise = Track Car, if I ever got one.

Coworker had one, when they were new models (many years ago). After riding as a passenger into town in Newport, RI - I was itching to get out of it (not to mention I had a few in me).

GREAT handling cars, but for a DD, I couldn't do it.

If you TRULY can live with it's spartan, race or nothing nature - I'd go for it. It's a damn nice ride.

Mt Tam I am 09-14-2010 09:48 AM

RE: 2009 Lotus Elise, white base package. Not the base package. If you are to trade, get the SC. Otherwise you are giving up too much, stick with the Z.

According to 2010 Lotus Elise - Specifications, Pictures, Prices
"The big change is the addition of a new entry-level model, dubbed simply the Lotus Elise. The base Elise model comes with a 1.6-liter engine developing 134 horsepower and 118 lb-ft of torque. Although about on par with many entry-level compact models, the Elise's lightweight design ensures overall performance is not compromised, with the two-door still able to scoot from zero-to-60 in just 6 seconds. Top speed is capped at 124mph."

370Zsteve 09-14-2010 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 719880)
The Lotus would be awesome.

The Z is probably easier to live with, though.

:iagree:

mattjk 09-14-2010 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 720302)
RE: 2009 Lotus Elise, white base package. Not the base package. If you are to trade, get the SC. Otherwise you are giving up too much, stick with the Z.

According to 2010 Lotus Elise - Specifications, Pictures, Prices
"The big change is the addition of a new entry-level model, dubbed simply the Lotus Elise. The base Elise model comes with a 1.6-liter engine developing 134 horsepower and 118 lb-ft of torque. Although about on par with many entry-level compact models, the Elise's lightweight design ensures overall performance is not compromised, with the two-door still able to scoot from zero-to-60 in just 6 seconds. Top speed is capped at 124mph."

U.S. Only gets the 1.8 n/a and 1.8 s/c. besides, 1.6 is also for the 2011 model year.

2009 is the car i'm looking at.

http://www.cars.com/lotus/elise/2009/

189-hp, 1.8-liter I-4 (N/A)
218-hp, 1.8-liter I-4 (S/C)

SoCal 370Z 09-14-2010 10:29 AM

Here's an excellent website and forum you should join to learn more: Lotus Talk

A friend of mine used to have an Elise that he would leave with me when he was driving one of his other automobiles. It is one of the best handling automobiles in the world, and a blast to drive; you really never want to get out of it because it's that fun. It has no real trunk space. It is not very high so when you go to park other drivers do not see it when backing-up. (You think the 370Z is bad? The Elise is worse.) Other drivers constantly want to race you. People are constantly pressing their face on the windows when you park it so they are always smudged. Other jealous people will throw sh!t through the top when left off (yes, this constantly happened). There is NO front or rear protection so parallel parking is basically out. Plan on spending more time detailing it as it's a mid-engine.

mattjk 09-14-2010 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCal 370Z (Post 720394)
Here's an excellent website and forum you should join to learn more: Lotus Talk

A friend of mine used to have an Elise that he would leave with me when he was driving one of his other automobiles. It is one of the best handling automobiles in the world, and a blast to drive; you really never want to get out of it because it's that fun. It has no real trunk space. It is not very high so when you go to park other drivers do not see it when backing-up. (You think the 370Z is bad? The Elise is worse.) Other drivers constantly want to race you. People are constantly pressing their face on the windows when you park it so they are always smudged. Other jealous people will throw sh!t through the top when left off (yes, this constantly happened). There is NO front or rear protection so parallel parking is basically out. Plan on spending more time detailing it as it's a mid-engine.

I've been on there since Feb 2006 :hello:

SoCal 370Z 09-14-2010 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by mattjk (Post 720410)
I've been on there since Feb 2006 :hello:

F' it...you only live once, so go for the Elise! The Elise is an automobile that will always be picked up by another enthusiast until its wheels fall off. If you don't have children, and you're single, then just go for it.

mattjk 09-14-2010 11:07 PM

well I took a good look at the car today at the dealership, along with my Z. Damn, the Z looks sexy as hell, maybe even better than the Elise. I need to think about this harder.

BeauNC 09-14-2010 11:38 PM

I couldn't DD an Elise, its just too impractical in every way. But, as a weekend car for going for a blast through the mountains it is the best car to own IMO.

The Z isn't terribly practical either, but its way better than the Elise. The Z is more comfortable, has more space, more creature comforts and will do 90% or so of what an Elise will do on a twist road.
IMO\\\


IMO - for DD get a Z
for pretending you are driving a race car, get an Elise.

bullet1 09-15-2010 12:21 AM

I owned a Celica GT-S for 6 years and while I loved the car and loved the way the engine sounded rev'ing to 8000+ RPM, in the end, it is still a 1.8L that you have to push very hard to get the most out of it. I'm still not convinced on the reliability of the 2zz engine. Over my 6 years with it, I had to have the head replaced under warranty and then I spun a rod bearing at 60,500 miles that they refused warranty on so I had to replace the motor. I was religious about maintaining the car too and didn't beat on it. I don't know if Lotus has made any tweaks to the engine to make it more reliable, but if it were my money, I would stay away.

FairladyZ10PG 09-15-2010 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 719960)
Well, it seems like you are really rationalizing the Lotus purchase, so it must be what you truly want. Go for it. :tup:

:iagree:


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