Explain these numbers: Carrera S vs 370Z

sonic370 · 09-11-2010, 06:24 PM

There not comparing apples to apples.

How about comparing the 370 with any other 2 seat sports car
with a v6 that cost under 40 grand.

m4a1mustang · 09-11-2010, 06:37 PM

People compare different classes of cars all the time for the entertainment value.

Though despite the price differences, the 370 vs. the Cayman is a fair comparison because Nissan itself has said that the Cayman was the performance target during development.

Forrest · 09-11-2010, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by G37Sam

Don't forget the Cayman/Carrera are mid/rear engines, these usually experience less drivetrain losses than a front engine RWD

+1 that is exactly what i was thinking. No where near the same drivetrain loss.

dad · 09-11-2010, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25

It's embarrassing that Nissan claims the Z makes 332hp and then only puts down 270-280.

Where did you get that info? just curious

Zsteve · 09-11-2010, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by nuTinmuch

The performance numbers for the 370z are pretty low compared to every other test stuff.

Yeah, but it is like saying that a Z has a interior centuries ahead of a Cobalt. Of course it does, but... duh! I'm not arguing that it isn't nice, but you've gotta be shelling out that money for something -- and imo, I'm still in the stage of my life where interior quality isn't the most important thing on my list.

Thats you and everyone has thier own things they want.. But when you have big $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ you can pay 100K and it would be felt less than what we felt paying for the Z. If you had 100K to spend on a car only would you have still bought the 370Z? I wouldnt have. The % of your income that you spent on your Z is probably the same % some spend on the Porsche etc. Its all about how much you have to spend.

Zsteve · 09-11-2010, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sonic370

There not comparing apples to apples.

How about comparing the 370 with any other 2 seat sports car
with a v6 that cost under 40 grand.

Here we go again, I cant beat the other car so mine is still better cuz its cheaper and is almost as fast. Well there are other things than spped with cars like Porsche and Audi and BMW. All around quality and even status quo.

dad · 09-11-2010, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

Here we go again, I cant beat the other car so mine is still better cuz its cheaper and is almost as fast. Well there are other things than spped with cars like Porsche and Audi and BMW. All around quality and even status quo.

Got that right!

spearfish25 · 09-11-2010, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dad

Where did you get that info? just curious

So the Nissan spec sheet lists the Z at 332hp. The stock dynos on this forum are all in the 270-280whp range. If you look at the Porsche numbers I listed, there is only a 20hp disparity for the Carrera S. Driveline losses are different for the rear vs front engine, as someone astutely noted. But 270 from 332 is a huge difference.

wilsonp · 09-11-2010, 09:24 PM

Seems like Corvettes run 10 - 15% so the 370Z at 19% doesn't seem terrible, but obviously could have been better even in FWD.

Another reason NSX was pretty fast at 270HP.

PapoZalsa · 09-11-2010, 09:47 PM

Weight difference, suspension, handling, etc....

370Zsteve · 09-11-2010, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25

So the Nissan spec sheet lists the Z at 332hp. The stock dynos on this forum are all in the 270-280whp range. If you look at the Porsche numbers I listed, there is only a 20hp disparity for the Carrera S. Driveline losses are different for the rear vs front engine, as someone astutely noted. But 270 from 332 is a huge difference.

What you are missing is that Porsche is very conservative with their HP ratings.

Zsteve · 09-11-2010, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

What you are missing is that Porsche is very conservative with their HP ratings.

true, I think most Euro cars are. My Audi was on the conservative side we found out.

azn370z · 09-12-2010, 12:27 AM

C/D TEST RESULTS
Zero to 60 mph: 4.6 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 11.3 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 21.1 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 5.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.1 sec @ 108 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 156 mph

7 speed automatic

2009 Nissan 370Z Automatic - Short Take Road Test - Auto Reviews - Car and Driver

Zsteve · 09-12-2010, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by azn370z

C/D TEST RESULTS
Zero to 60 mph: 4.6 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 11.3 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 21.1 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 5.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.1 sec @ 108 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 156 mph

7 speed automatic

2009 Nissan 370Z Automatic - Short Take Road Test - Auto Reviews - Car and Driver

I think we will be hard pressed to get that 0 60 time on an avg road and an avg driver. Really need a great 60 ft to get that.

Push370zzz · 09-12-2010, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25

So according to Road and Track, theses are the performance stats for the Carrera S, Cayman S, and 370Z. I have trouble figuring out why the Z is so much slower than the other two, particularly the Carrera S. Aside from the benefit of a rear weight bias for the Carrera giving a quicker 0-60 (better rear traction), the 1/4mi times baffle me. Is the 70lbs and 20hp/25tq that significant? All theories welcome...!

Carrera S
355hp
295tq
wt 3295lbs
0-60 4.1s
0-100 10.3s
60-0 111ft
1/4 12.6@111.9

Cayman S
320hp
273tq
wt 3100lbs
0-60 4.6s
0-100 10.6s
60-0 117ft
1/4 12.9@108.8

370Z
332hp
270tq
wt 3360lbs
0-60 5.2s
0-100 12.8s
60-0 115ft
1/4 13.7@103.9

The Porsche's obviously have more available traction given the same tires, which helps them launch quicker. A 1 second faster 0-60 will probably also yield a 1 second+ faster 0-100 and quarter mile, which is exactly what it shows. The most important things in figuring how quick a car is is going to be the dyno chart, the tires, and the weight. Maximum HP/TQ doesn't mean a whole lot at all, but the area underneath that TQ curve.

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sonic370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: Orange Texas Posts: 1,574 Drives: 09 370Z Sports PGK Rep Power: 18	There not comparing apples to apples. How about comparing the 370 with any other 2 seat sports car with a v6 that cost under 40 grand.