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TheWeatherman 08-27-2010 01:29 PM

Anyone have problems with wheel spin?
 
Hey guys. I did a search for this, and forgive me if there's a topic already started on this. (Most of the posts were about VDC)

Anyway, I own an MT Sport. You know on occasion, when the light turns green, and you want a quick getaway? Well, I've tried all different ways to get a good launch out of this car, at all different starting RPMs. Here's the key to what I'm talking about though... I do this on rare occasion, and I don't warm up the tires before a spirited launch.

I still am running the stock Potenzas and do notice a significant difference depending on the outside temperature. It just seems that this car struggles for traction when having a little fun with it. I always have my VDC on, but that's the key. I just don't want the car to spin it's wheels so much through the first two gears. Our VDC does leave a bit for wheel spin which is nice. Once the car finally has a good hookup, then she moves.

Anyone else noticing this?

USMCASA 08-27-2010 01:41 PM

float your clutch after dropping it from 4k then when you feel them grab all the way just push more into the throttle. any car with a stick if you just dump the clutch and stomp the gas will spin, a good launch is all about technique.

m4a1mustang 08-27-2010 01:42 PM

You can start by trading your Z in for a real color. :shakes head:

TheWeatherman 08-27-2010 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by USMCASA (Post 697072)
float your clutch after dropping it from 4k then when you feel them grab all the way just push more into the throttle. any car with a stick if you just dump the clutch and stomp the gas will spin, a good launch is all about technique.

Thanks USMCASA. I try to not to just dump the clutch and mash the gas. I've actually never tried your technique. I'll give it a shot.

Here's me normally at a stoplight... :driving: spin spin spin spin.... moderately get moving... shift... a little more of a spin... finally hook up.

BTW, don't listen to that M4A1Mustang guy. The color of his car makes me want to puke. He can't get a good launch just because of those "Custom Curb Racing Stripes" he "applied" to 3 of his wheels. ;)

m4a1mustang 08-27-2010 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWeatherman (Post 697084)
Thanks USMCASA. I try to not to just dump the clutch and mash the gas. I've actually never tried your technique. I'll give it a shot.

Here's me normally at a stoplight... :driving: spin spin spin spin.... moderately get moving... shift... a little more of a spin... finally hook up.

BTW, don't listen to that M4A1Mustang guy. The color of his car makes me want to puke. He can't get a good launch just because of those "Custom Curb Racing Stripes" he "applied" to 3 of his wheels. ;)

At least I'm not driving around in that disgusting color of yours. I wouldn't be caught dead in that color!

:tup:

TheWeatherman 08-27-2010 01:59 PM

I did notice the best launches in this car is when you feel the back wheels hopping just a little bit. At least it seems like it's biting well, but that's rare for me doing it when the tires haven't been spun a little before the actual launch.

When I watch the Edmunds test video, that's the launch I want, but of course, they've heated the tires up beforehand. Oh well.

Cmike2780 08-27-2010 01:59 PM

The rubber or these types of tires are usually made of a softer material than regular tires. As such, they tend to be more susceptible to temperature changes. I almost always get wheel spin in the winter or when the tires are cold.

If you want less wheel spin & a good launch, practice your clutch technique like suggested. If I'm not too tempted when stopped at a light, I usually shift & accelerate smoothly in 1st and gun it to the higher gears. You probably shouldn't launch your car at every stop light anyways.

USMCASA 08-27-2010 02:05 PM

you could just dump the clutch at the light before to warm up the rubbers, then you're ready for the next light. i launched against a s2000 in the rain, slid around more then they all did in tokyo drift but did manage to stay in front of him the whole time. guess he should have spent more money on his engine than a veilside body kit for it. i had to show him my yellow car was faster.

TheWeatherman 08-27-2010 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 697103)
The rubber or these types of tires are usually made of a softer material than regular tires. As such, they tend to be more susceptible to temperature changes. I almost always get wheel spin in the winter or when the tires are cold.

If you want less wheel spin & a good launch, practice your clutch technique like suggested. If I'm not too tempted when stopped at a light, I usually shift & accelerate smoothly in 1st and gun it to the higher gears. You probably shouldn't launch your car at every stop light anyways.

Oh geez Cmike! Of course I'm not launching at every light! :icon17: I do it like once a month, if that. I think you're right about the tires. Your technique is the one I use, but must be stepping into it a little early. m4a1Mustang and I were talking about the camber and lack of a good weight transfer on the Z as well. Definitely not ideal, but still fun!

TheWeatherman 08-27-2010 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by USMCASA (Post 697115)
you could just dump the clutch at the light before to warm up the rubbers, then you're ready for the next light

:icon17: Yes, that would work! (It's just, well, you never know when you're going to have to 'move quickly', you know? ;)

ClemsonWill 08-27-2010 02:21 PM

I think you would seriously benefit from some wider tires if you are trying to get the best launch possible. In my opinion the stock rear tire is lacking.

TheWeatherman 08-27-2010 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ClemsonWill (Post 697138)
I think you would seriously benefit from some wider tires if you are trying to get the best launch possible. In my opinion the stock rear tire is lacking.

It's a pretty big tire Clemson, but do you notice the camber on them? It seems like they're riding on the inside of the tire itsself. Now, of course, this is great for handling. Tradeoffs, you know?

Cmike2780 08-27-2010 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ClemsonWill (Post 697138)
I think you would seriously benefit from some wider tires if you are trying to get the best launch possible. In my opinion the stock rear tire is lacking.

I can only think of one situtation where an extra inch of rubber really counts:icon17:. Tire material will give you better results than simply changing the tire size.

370zproject 08-27-2010 02:29 PM

time for new tires?

TheWeatherman 08-27-2010 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 370zproject (Post 697148)
time for new tires?

Sure 370ZProject! Now you just have to pay my property taxes and my builder remodeling my house, and we're all set! :rofl2: ;) Can you also pay for all my fiancee's "puchases" while you're at it?

370zproject 08-27-2010 02:35 PM

if you pay my insurance im sure its cheaper for me... if u do it that way

370zproject 08-27-2010 02:35 PM

lol

TheWeatherman 08-27-2010 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 370zproject (Post 697154)
if you pay my insurance im sure its cheaper for me... if u do it that way

Ha ha ha! To let you know why I'm keeping the tires as is, I have 18,000 miles with a ton of treadwear left. Do you see how I drive? The dealer said they hadn't seen a Z come in with tires in that great of shape after so many miles. I'd put the car at about 85% highway cruising.

But those stoplights on occasion, are killing me!

Cmike2780 08-27-2010 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWeatherman (Post 697180)
Ha ha ha! To let you know why I'm keeping the tires as is, I have 18,000 miles with a ton of treadwear left. Do you see how I drive? The dealer said they hadn't seen a Z come in with tires in that great of shape after so many miles. I'd put the car at about 85% highway cruising.

But those stoplights on occasion, are killing me!

I hear ya, gotta live life a quarter mile at..........:wtf2:nevermind

TheWeatherman 08-27-2010 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 697240)
I hear ya, gotta live life a quarter mile at..........:wtf2:nevermind

Granny shifting... Not double-clutching like you should... You had me? You never had me. You never had your car. :rofl2:

NewlyIMPORTed 08-27-2010 05:32 PM

:happydance: put 305's in the rear

spearfish25 08-27-2010 08:35 PM

The Bridgestones, as you've noted, are very temperature dependent. Having done about 6 track days on my original set, I've now felt the progression of not only decreasing tread depth but also aging rubber. The heat cycling has taken a toll on the tires, and I now understand why one would replace them even with tread remaining...they're just rubber bricks. Anything below 70F and the tires are like rocks with diminished grip. I notice it on a spirited corner and the back end comes loose. Then after some aggressive driving, the rubber gets much tackier and the grip improves dramatically. During my last track day, I could literally put my nail into the tire. One way to judge your tire temp is how the tires sound when you spin them. A cold tire gives a silent spin while a hot tire squeals like a stuck pig. At 18,000 mi, your rubber may have heat cycled enough that its lost its grip unless you really get them warm.

370zproject 08-27-2010 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheWeatherman (Post 697180)
Ha ha ha! To let you know why I'm keeping the tires as is, I have 18,000 miles with a ton of treadwear left. Do you see how I drive? The dealer said they hadn't seen a Z come in with tires in that great of shape after so many miles. I'd put the car at about 85% highway cruising.

But those stoplights on occasion, are killing me!

i drive mine city so mine are almost gone


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