It's The People - ZCON 2010

300twinz

Normally People's Choice is one award for all cars in the judged and non-judged car show. There is no breakdown in People's Choice based on car model it is strictly a popularity contest.

I agree with many of your observations and I highly encourage you guys to email the convention team. Your feedback helps the next convention team as they plan the 2011 ZCON.

Z Car Club Association - 40th Anniversary of the Z.** July 28 - August 1, 2010 in Nashville, TN

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westpak

the people's choice is by model, it just doesn't take into account mods, it can be from stock to ultra modified

At least it was in 2007 where I won 350Z people's choice, I guess I was popular

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Robert_Nash

Actually, the only significant difference between a "People's Choice" show and a "judged" show is simply that people (and usually only those registered for the show, not just people attending) "vote" for the cars in the various categories rather than having a team of judges judging the cars by a set of rules.

I've been in many, many, "Z" "people's choice car shows" and every one has been broken down into the generations and usually at least a stock and modified in each generation; sometimes even between roadster and coupe. Further, the ZCON 2010 website specifically breaks down the generations for the people's choice show.


In most cases, there will be at least a first (and likely a second and perhaps a third) place for "peoples choice" in each generation - which ever car gets the most votes in that generation gets first place, second most votes, second, etc.

ZCON 2010 is one of the only People's Choice shows I've ever experienced where pure stock vehicles were placed in head to head competition with cars that some owners had spent tens of thousands of dollars in modifications on (at least two cars were rumored to have had more than $100K spend on them).

Even worse was the fact that the cars were not parked in generational groups; again, that is a rare occurrence.

I'm no expert on the international convention but my observation over the years tells me it's primarily a big, prestigious car show with some other activities thrown in. As such, the car show is the one major event of the convention where I would expect the least amount of breakdown in the system; after all, they've been doing this for 23 years now.

In this case, however, between trophies being a no-show and all the other issues, it's probably the single worst part of the 2010 convention experience.

Adding to (at least my) frustration is that early this week, ZCCA sent an email to some (but not all and I've not idea whey their email delivery was so haphazard) saying, among other things, that the people's choice results would be posted on both the ZCCA.org and the ZCON 2010 websites "by the end of the week". I'd say that to most people, the phrase "by the end of the week" would generally be a Friday (yesterday) and at least as of a few minutes ago, nothing has been posted...I at least hope they get them posted by Sunday (tomorrow).

I honestly cannot think of a single, substantial reason why all the ballots weren't counted immediately after the show and before the awards banquet - that we are still waiting for the results more than a week later is inexcusable.

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300twinz

Robert I stand corrected. When we hosted ZCON in 2009 we gave one award out for People's Choice which made things much more simple. I know that cars during this convention were being judged until very late in the afternoon and with the closing banquet being held the same day the pressure the convention team had on them was truly intense.

I have sent an email to Chris Karl with some of my observations and I encourage you guys to do the same. I hope that some of the suggestions we all have will help the Georgia ZCON Team put on a great event in 2011.

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Robert_Nash

I can understand your confusion, then, but I'm also a bit stunned to hear that ZCON 2009 had only one "People's Choice" winner...I can't even imagine driving hundreds of miles (aprox 970 to be more precise) to be in a People's Choice show where every car, daily driver and $100K garage queen had to compete head to head and there was only one winner. But yeah; I guess it makes things simple.

This is starting to confirm something I've had a gut feeling about for a while now; that being that the "People's Choice" part of the car show and the convention is something done more to to give those who don't get in the "real" car show something to do while the important event goes on.

In other words, that the only thing that really matters to ZCCA is the relatively small handful of cars that get to compete in the judged show and that everything else is ancillary to that one event.

Which would also explain why, now, nearly eight days later, we still don't have the results of the "People's Choice" show...one person working alone should have been able to tally the ballots in a day or two; two or three people should have been able to knock it out in an afternoon.

Someone from my club who worked more closely with Chris that I did is supposed to be taking my comments and those of others and making them known to Chris...whether that has any impact on future events...who knows. I'm a bit doubtful if only because ZCCA itself doesn't typically run a convention as they did this year.

It will also be interesting to see if anything near the attendance of this year's show is seen in succeeding years.

If I go to the 2011 convention (and I likely will), I'll probably skip the car shows all together; save the frustration as well as the $30 for the car show and skip the awards banquet and spend the free time driving!

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