It's The People - ZCON 2010

NIZMOZ · 08-09-2010, 11:11 AM

If you notice, the NISMO 370Z winner was never announced at the convention.

Robert_Nash · 08-09-2010, 11:33 AM

I noticed and you are right, it wasn't announced.

The alleged winner spent a good bit of time talking about winning it in this thread : Who is going to this???

If you start reading about post no. 32 you'll see when he came on and said he had won it then later, claimed that his wife wouldn't let him keep it...I don't know if they didn't announce it because he never actually went to the convention and/or if it might have been because he had already told them that he wsnt' going to keep the car and maybe they decided it would be a bit embarrassing to announce it knowing he wasn't keeping it???

Of course, who knows if this guy ( krsplsh ) was even telling the truth or not!

westpak · 08-09-2010, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert_Nash

I noticed and you are right, it wasn't announced.

The alleged winner spent a good bit of time talking about winning it in this thread : Who is going to this???

If you start reading about post no. 32 you'll see when he came on and said he had won it then later, claimed that his wife wouldn't let him keep it...I don't know if they didn't announce it because he never actually went to the convention and/or if it might have been because he had already told them that he wsnt' going to keep the car and maybe they decided it would be a bit embarrassing to announce it knowing he wasn't keeping it???

Of course, who knows if this guy ( krsplsh ) was even telling the truth or not!

I did hear from official sources that the winner was from Florida and chose not to come to the convention to receive the Z.

maybe they should have added a clause that winner had to go to the convention to receive the prize, oh well

westpak · 08-09-2010, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by westpak@HPLogic

I did hear from official sources that the winner was from Florida and chose not to come to the convention to receive the Z.

maybe they should have added a clause that winner had to go to the convention to receive the prize, oh well

LOL 2010 370z NISMO for sale

westpak · 08-09-2010, 01:59 PM

You are right Zcon was not 2 times bigger than Zdayz only 1.6 times, my bad just almost 300 people more

I would not call Zdays a 3 day event either by your logic, the first day is just the dinner, the airstrip event is not one attended by the masses and organized by Forged. And not much else to coordinate either, no autox, no real track event, not dinner in nearby downtown, and just vendors throw beer parties, the rest is just unleashing people on public roads.

I also do like the fact that the Z convention has stayed true to a Z event not like Zdayz which is really a Z/G event

I guess we can agree to disagree, I had a hell of a time and will go next year again even if same issues came up.

Robert_Nash · 08-09-2010, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by westpak@HPLogic

You are right Zcon was not 2 times bigger than Zdayz only 1.6 times, my bad just almost 300 people more

I would not call Zdays a 3 day event either by your logic, the first day is just the dinner, the airstrip event is not one attended by the masses and organized by Forged. And not much else to coordinate either, no autox, no real track event, not dinner in nearby downtown, and just vendors throw beer parties, the rest is just unleashing people on public roads.

I also do like the fact that the Z convention has stayed true to a Z event not like Zdayz which is really a Z/G event

I guess we can agree to disagree, I had a hell of a time and will go next year again even if same issues came up.

Z/G event? I guess that's true of course but so what??? I didn't do an exact count but I was a judge at this year's ZDayZ car show and I think there were less than 10 G's there for the event (registered or otherwise) and somewhere in the neighborhood of 400+ cars total so the non-"Z" part of the event is not what I'd call significant. Also, maybe you didn't notice all the "non-Z" vehicles at ZCON this year as there were quite a few.

I actually didn't say anything about how many days ZDayZ runs

I mentioned the number of days for ZCON because I generally throw out the "arrival day" of any event I attend since nothing much happens except getting there (which is pretty much what happened at ZCON this year).

How many cars/people did Cleveland have in ''08...I heard some incredibly low numbers (like 40 cars for the car show)...how many did San Antonio have?

From what I know of recent convention history, this year was not "normal" in terms of recent attendance figures so throwing them around saying the convention is so much bigger than "ZdayZ" or so much bigger than some other event seems a bit foolish and at not very helpful.

As far as next year goes, I'll likely go but I doubt I'll register as I see little benefit in doing so...as the saying goes, fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice, shame on me!

NIZMOZ · 08-09-2010, 07:20 PM

This year ZCON had close to 800 registered and paid.

We had around 300 last year in San Antonio. The car show itself, I can't remember the exact number off the top of my head, but it was around 75 cars I think only and the rest were peoples choice only. So probably 100~.

I most likely will not go to Georgia for the convention there as the guy personally didn't even have a good presentation and had no clue if they could get the stuff (as he just said if we can get it) so he has no idea. The hotel rooms are much smaller than this years so fitting 3 people would be max per room. Also, there isn't anything to do in that town. I rather wait for Phoenix. If I do go however, I will fly, and only go for the important days this time.

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Originally Posted by Robert_Nash

Z/G event? I guess that's true of course but so what??? I didn't do an exact count but I was a judge at this year's ZDayZ car show and I think there were less than 10 G's there for the event (registered or otherwise) and somewhere in the neighborhood of 400+ cars total so the non-"Z" part of the event is not what I'd call significant. Also, maybe you didn't notice all the "non-Z" vehicles at ZCON this year as there were quite a few.

I actually didn't say anything about how many days ZDayZ runs

I mentioned the number of days for ZCON because I generally throw out the "arrival day" of any event I attend since nothing much happens except getting there (which is pretty much what happened at ZCON this year).

How many cars/people did Cleveland have in ''08...I heard some incredibly low numbers (like 40 cars for the car show)...how many did San Antonio have?

From what I know of recent convention history, this year was not "normal" in terms of recent attendance figures so throwing them around saying the convention is so much bigger than "ZdayZ" or so much bigger than some other event seems a bit foolish and at not very helpful.

As far as next year goes, I'll likely go but I doubt I'll register as I see little benefit in doing so...as the saying goes, fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice, shame on me!

DarkPath · 08-09-2010, 07:41 PM

ZDAYZ is not a convention. ZDAYZ is a gathering of Z enthusiasts doing what Z enthusiasts do... Drive their cars, Show their cars, and talk about their cars in an unparalleled setting, deep in what may arguably be the most beautiful mountain highways in the US. Yes their are a few organized Events thrown in... Car show, TSD, Group photos, and such... But a pole taken after last year's event, (which sometimes had two events happening simultaneously,) voted Down the number of events, in lieu of having more time inside Fontana, & More time relaxing, like one should when on vacation. Some describe Zdayz as a Drinking party with a Driving habit... and while I am sure some parties ran late into the evening - I don't think I saw one person "Under the weather" (except when I looked in the mirror)during the whole event. So what are we arguing here... Cause I can't figure it out. Are we arguing that ZdayZ was easier to put together cause it was smaller? Or are we complaining that money was spent on ZCON and it came up short. I think it must be the latter. Because every one paid their registration fees... and there was Sponser money too. There is no excuse with that kind of horsepower of cash to make excuses and not have important things like trophies ON HAND at the end of a car show. They KNEW the categories before people ever began showing up - they should have known the categories before an private money from attendees was ever accepted!

300twinz · 10-13-2010, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkPath

There is no excuse with that kind of horsepower of cash to make excuses and not have important things like trophies ON HAND at the end of a car show. They KNEW the categories before people ever began showing up - they should have known the categories before an private money from attendees was ever accepted!

Bad idea to order trophies for every category since you will have some categories that are either not signed up for or only have 1 or 2 cars sign up so you get stuck with extra inventory which = wasted money.

I can tell you that during '09 we ordered trophies for only the categories which had cars pre-registered BUT we ordered them from a local shop. I put them on notice that we may need to order a few more before the end of the week since we did not know how many walk-up registrations we would have. We still came up a few trophies short (trophy shop ran out of inventory) at the end but we had those trophies mailed out inside of a week to the winners.

Robert_Nash · 10-13-2010, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 300twinz

Bad idea to order trophies for every category since you will have some categories that are either not signed up for or only have 1 or 2 cars sign up so you get stuck with extra inventory which = wasted money.

Yes, you run the risk of some wasted money but that's part of putting on an event where you have trophies whether you are talking about a car show or anything else. But bottom line is, don't advertise a category and awards and then not have them.

But, that wasn't the situation at ZCON. We aren't talking about a few trophies and/or low entries in a particular category they didn't want to order for; someone just plain screwed up. I don't know the exact number of place winners who didn't get their award that night but I'd bet a substantial amount of $$ that it was at least close to half and maybe even more who didn't get their award.

I think everyone understands that mistakes happen and we are all human...yeah...a bunch of trophies apparently didn't get ordered; that's unfortunate but it's not the end of the world. The adult thing to do at that point is to apologize and do whatever the hell you have to do to make it right (i.e. get the missing trophies ordered and delivered).

But here we are, 74 days (10 and half weeks/2 and a half months) post event and there are STILL folks who haven't received their trophies.

I honestly can't understand that kind of irresponsibility.

NIZMOZ · 10-13-2010, 04:45 PM

Robert, not sure if you are just arguing to satisfy yourself or not, but we have ran MANY events with our club. Including two ZCONs (2002 and 2009). He is right, you do not want to order trophies ahead of time and waste money. Especially when you don't know if you are getting paid by Nissan and left in limbo till the day of the convention.

When you actually run a event like this, you will understand what it takes to run one and understand the logistics. Till then, you might just want to end it at that.

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Originally Posted by Robert_Nash

Yes, you run the risk of some wasted money but that's part of putting on an event where you have trophies whether you are talking about a car show or anything else. But bottom line is, don't advertise a category and awards and then not have them.

But, that wasn't the situation at ZCON. We aren't talking about a few trophies and/or low entries in a particular category they didn't want to order for; someone just plain screwed up. I don't know the exact number of place winners who didn't get their award that night but I'd bet a substantial amount of $$ that it was at least close to half and maybe even more who didn't get their award.

I think everyone understands that mistakes happen and we are all human...yeah...a bunch of trophies apparently didn't get ordered; that's unfortunate but it's not the end of the world. The adult thing to do at that point is to apologize and do whatever the hell you have to do to make it right (i.e. get the missing trophies ordered and delivered).

But here we are, 74 days (10 and half weeks/2 and a half months) post event and there are STILL folks who haven't received their trophies.

I honestly can't understand that kind of irresponsibility.

Robert_Nash · 10-13-2010, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

Robert, not sure if you are just arguing to satisfy yourself or not, but we have ran MANY events with our club. Including two ZCONs (2002 and 2009). He is right, you do not want to order trophies ahead of time and waste money. Especially when you don't know if you are getting paid by Nissan and left in limbo till the day of the convention.

When you actually run a event like this, you will understand what it takes to run one and understand the logistics. Till then, you might just want to end it at that.

Actually, I do understand what it takes although I don't understand why would you just assume I don't. I have run events both larger and smaller than ZCON; they had nothing to do with automobiles but the mechanics of running a large convention don't change that much regardless of what the conventioneers are convening about.

The concept of not ordering the trophies ahead of time as some sort of money saver seems silly to me nor has that ever been my experience. I've been in many, many dozens of car shows over the past 30+ years and I've never once gone to a single one where the trophies for the categories were purposely not ordered ahead of time (nor would I bother to go to such a show if I knew that was the plan). Trophies are ordered ahead of time so that they can be presented at the event which is what winners expect (not to mention saving the headache, time and expense of mailing out afterword).

That said, I don't understand why are you concentrating on that issue anyway since that is NOT the issue with trophies at ZCON 2010. ZCCA has never suggested that any trophies were purposely not ordered ahead of time - this was a colossal screw-up; it's just that simple but even that isn't the main point any longer.

The real point now is why, 72 days post event, hasn't everyone who won a trophy gotten their trophy yet?

Not getting them at the "Closing Banquet and Awards Ceremony" (which at this point is an oxymoron) as promised and as most anyone would expect is troubling and should not have happened but what is far more troubling is the apparent and continuing lack of responsibility and response in addressing the problem.

300twinz · 10-13-2010, 05:05 PM

Just to clarify I don't know how 2010 did it am just pointing to how we decided to do it. That doesn't make it the best way, it's just how it best fit our needs and budget while assuring a trophy at closing for those who pre-registered.

100% agree on the 74 days and counting been completely out of line.

kevr6 · 10-05-2010, 05:57 PM

I still haven't gotten my trophy from ZCON!

NIZMOZ · 10-13-2010, 05:50 PM

Well then Robert, you run the event then if you think you can do it better than anyone else that is experienced in running these events for years including the ZCCA. Oh that's right, you had that opportunity, but you couldn't do it. LOL

And you are right, I do agree 72 days is way too long for those to receive their trophies and their DVD's. I still haven't gotten mine.

I will end it here.

08-09-2010, 11:11 AM	#1 (permalink)
NIZMOZ Track Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 634 Drives: 07 NISMO 350Z SA M6 Rep Power: 491	If you notice, the NISMO 370Z winner was never announced at the convention. __________________ SOLD: 2007 NISMO 350Z #0044 Silver Alloy New DD: 2010 Titan Pro4X CC

08-09-2010, 11:33 AM	#2 (permalink)
Robert_Nash Track Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Middle TN/Savannah GA Posts: 762 Drives: '14 Q60IPL/'14Armada Rep Power: 18	I noticed and you are right, it wasn't announced. The alleged winner spent a good bit of time talking about winning it in this thread : Who is going to this??? If you start reading about post no. 32 you'll see when he came on and said he had won it then later, claimed that his wife wouldn't let him keep it...I don't know if they didn't announce it because he never actually went to the convention and/or if it might have been because he had already told them that he wsnt' going to keep the car and maybe they decided it would be a bit embarrassing to announce it knowing he wasn't keeping it??? Of course, who knows if this guy ( krsplsh ) was even telling the truth or not! __________________ Robert -My Basset Hound Is Smarter Than Your Honor Student and Barack Obama -

08-09-2010, 01:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
westpak Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Lake Worth, FL Posts: 405 Drives: 2003 350Z DB Rep Power: 17	You are right Zcon was not 2 times bigger than Zdayz only 1.6 times, my bad just almost 300 people more I would not call Zdays a 3 day event either by your logic, the first day is just the dinner, the airstrip event is not one attended by the masses and organized by Forged. And not much else to coordinate either, no autox, no real track event, not dinner in nearby downtown, and just vendors throw beer parties, the rest is just unleashing people on public roads. I also do like the fact that the Z convention has stayed true to a Z event not like Zdayz which is really a Z/G event I guess we can agree to disagree, I had a hell of a time and will go next year again even if same issues came up. __________________ 03 350Z 587 RWHP - May 2009 Dsport Feature

08-09-2010, 07:41 PM	#8 (permalink)
DarkPath Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Hampton Roads VA Posts: 318 Drives: 40th Anniversary M6 Rep Power: 15	ZDAYZ is not a convention. ZDAYZ is a gathering of Z enthusiasts doing what Z enthusiasts do... Drive their cars, Show their cars, and talk about their cars in an unparalleled setting, deep in what may arguably be the most beautiful mountain highways in the US. Yes their are a few organized Events thrown in... Car show, TSD, Group photos, and such... But a pole taken after last year's event, (which sometimes had two events happening simultaneously,) voted Down the number of events, in lieu of having more time inside Fontana, & More time relaxing, like one should when on vacation. Some describe Zdayz as a Drinking party with a Driving habit... and while I am sure some parties ran late into the evening - I don't think I saw one person "Under the weather" (except when I looked in the mirror)during the whole event. So what are we arguing here... Cause I can't figure it out. Are we arguing that ZdayZ was easier to put together cause it was smaller? Or are we complaining that money was spent on ZCON and it came up short. I think it must be the latter. Because every one paid their registration fees... and there was Sponser money too. There is no excuse with that kind of horsepower of cash to make excuses and not have important things like trophies ON HAND at the end of a car show. They KNEW the categories before people ever began showing up - they should have known the categories before an private money from attendees was ever accepted! __________________ C&C WMBG www.carsandcoffeewilliamsburg.com [B]Looking for build badges? darkpath.ent.llc@gmail.com

10-13-2010, 05:05 PM	#13 (permalink)
300twinz Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: SATX Posts: 322 Drives: 300ZX Twin Turbo Rep Power: 17	Just to clarify I don't know how 2010 did it am just pointing to how we decided to do it. That doesn't make it the best way, it's just how it best fit our needs and budget while assuring a trophy at closing for those who pre-registered. 100% agree on the 74 days and counting been completely out of line. __________________ WWW.ZSPORT.ORG 1991 300ZX Twin Turbo

10-05-2010, 05:57 PM	#14 (permalink)
kevr6 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: N.W. Atlanta Posts: 1,515 Drives: '09 Graphite 370Z 6M Rep Power: 667	I still haven't gotten my trophy from ZCON! __________________ *Beware...* Daily Sliding In My ZLED!

10-13-2010, 05:50 PM	#15 (permalink)
NIZMOZ Track Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 634 Drives: 07 NISMO 350Z SA M6 Rep Power: 491	Well then Robert, you run the event then if you think you can do it better than anyone else that is experienced in running these events for years including the ZCCA. Oh that's right, you had that opportunity, but you couldn't do it. LOL And you are right, I do agree 72 days is way too long for those to receive their trophies and their DVD's. I still haven't gotten mine. I will end it here. __________________ SOLD: 2007 NISMO 350Z #0044 Silver Alloy New DD: 2010 Titan Pro4X CC Last edited by NIZMOZ; 10-13-2010 at 05:53 PM.

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