overheated 370/no oil part 2

bloodo · 07-02-2010, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

From the 370Z Owners manual:

" The engine oil pressure warning light is not designed to indicate a low oil level. Use the dipstick to check the oil level. (See
“ENGINE OIL” in the “8. Maintenance and do-it yourself”
section.) "

Incase DakillaZ missed this.

Trips · 07-02-2010, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by bloodo

Incase DakillaZ missed this.

Obviously that was missed!

AK370Z · 07-02-2010, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DakillaZ

i have no idea why my thread was closed!!

Why was it closed? Because it was going off topic and you were making comments such as these

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Originally Posted by DakillaZ

sukk mii ballss hows that for spelling

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Originally Posted by DakillaZ

lmaoooooo seriously this is why i hate fourms cause *** wholes like him

You're on a internet forum. You must have thick skin. If you don't, then these forum are NOT for you. Also, you have to understand, we can't SEE, HEAR or TALK to you. The ONLY way we can try to draw a picture of you, is the way you type or express yourself. (that's about it!). In future, if you're going to reopen a closed topic, please come to me first. Chances are I'll reopen the previous thread.

There is a BIG hole in your story. Either a. You're NOT telling us the real story or B. You have no clue what's going on (or happened). 5 1/8 Quart of oil just doesn't disappear easily. Something must have happen at the shop you get your oil change done. Chances are they didn't put enough oil as the tech got distracted. You're 1 out of 10,000+ 370Z owners. This is why you are getting this look

from the members. I check my oil level every two weeks. Not because I drive a new car but it's my habit. EVERY single dam car I owned, I checked oil and brake fluid EVERY two weeks.

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Originally Posted by SoCal 370Z

Dakilla,

I'm not saying yea or nay, but you can add a great deal of credence to your incident by simply uploading a pic of your service sheet from the Nissan dealership (even if it's the one they gave you when you admitted your Z) so members can see it. You can also scan and blackout important data such as names, and the like, but leave enough information showing that validates your case.

Losing 5 1/8 of oil is a lot and believe me the tale-tale signs will show even if a little to the entire volume of oil leaving the engine. The tailpipe tips, and the rear bumper will exhibit signs on a slow burn and even if the rings went you would notice black smoke bellowing in your rearview mirror and someone behind you would have alerted you if you didn't. Our 370Z gets its oil checked after each drive about an hour later when it comes to rest in our garage. If you were changing your own oil you might have stripped the oil drain plug if not torque correctly or by using an air tool versus a hand tool, but the dealership can determine that too. Good luck on the outcome....hopefully, it is in your favor.

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Originally Posted by Triple's

Lack of simple maintenance on your part, got you were you are. Had you been more careful in checking your basic fluids and not relying on an Idiot light, You could have probably saved your motor, Oil doesn't disappear from one day to the next. I have no sympathy. You're learning an expensive lesson for not paying attention to your Car.

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Originally Posted by Sibze

When I take my car to a professional (I cannot comment on where he took is car as I don't know the place) I would hope its done right. I know our car is a big investment and it is something I personally would want to look at every time I get my oil changed however, some people do not have any mechanical knowledge and need to rely on these "Professionals" that they do things right. If the OP was a 90 year old grandmother would you feel the same way? “You should have checked your oil level.”

There's nothing wrong with getting your oil changes at 3rd party or Nissan dealer. BUT one must check their dipstick before leaving their lot. If I was given a dime EVERY time my dealer overfilled or under filled my 350Z, I'd probably buy free lunches for the all forum members!

I usually check the dipstick and have them fix it right there then. I'm surprised not only OP NEVER checked the dipstick at the third party oil change place, he never even checked it in the 3 month period!

I'll share a story real quick. One of my friend has a Mazda 6 and she always gets the oil changed at Jiffy Lube (3rd party oil). Jiffy lube f*cks up and forgets to tighten her drain plug. Car loses all oil and engine seizes. She goes back to dealer asking for a new engine. Guess what they told her? A big NO. If your 3rd party ruins your car, THEY will pay for the damages NOT Nissan. In this case, Jiffy Lube DID end up paying for the WHOLE repair.

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Originally Posted by DakillaZ

i changed my oil every 4000 miles did everything in the book its not my fault the oil light didnt come upp i have pappers to prove my oilchanges. it iss indeed nissans fault not mine ...but even when they give me a new engine im goin to get a lemon lawyer .

You have papers to prove the oil changes, that doesn't mean anything. It'll prove that you did your oil changes on time. But if their tech F*cks up, it won't be written on that invoice. So, let me get this right, the 3rd party oil change place f*cks up on their end. Nissan USA goes out of their way and give you a brand new engine. You still want to sue Nissan? wow, congratulations

. You're my NEW hero!

Trips · 07-02-2010, 12:36 AM

DakillaZ · 07-02-2010, 12:53 AM

i dont understand why some of you are angry at me when its me that should be the pissed offf one...now my dealership has a very bad repp for lying and beating around the bush nd could be just b.sn the whole no oil in engine story so they can blame it on me ...i will find out 2morrow hopefully nd keep you guys informed ...once again im just letting ppl in onn my experince with this car dont take it to the heart anybodyy...im just as confused as all everyone else.. so please bare with me and hopefull get to the bottom of this.

Cmike2780 · 07-02-2010, 12:56 AM

Wow

... and I thought my RX-8 had oil consumption issues. I had to add about 1/2 a quart in between oil changes and I thought that was a lot. I would notice the tailpipe turning pitch black over time.

Over 5 quarts without a trace of oil around the engine bay, smoke or on the ground means there was very little to begin with. Period!

Some of these "Jiffy Lube" type places don't exactly have the brightest "mechanics" around. OP, why you would trust your $40K sports car with a kid who makes $5 an hour is beyond me. Honestly, its easy enough to do yourself if you wanted to save money. AK has a great DIY on this forum if you want to learn.

I understand why you wouldn't check the dipstick, but that doesn't mean its Nissan's fault because the car didn't warn you. It's a machine, not a babysitter. You can go after the car wash place

, but you will likely have a hard time finding any credible evidence to support your case.

My dad always told me to check under the hood between fill-ups. This is the very reason why you should. It sucks that this happened to you, but at least you got a good lesson from it. Good luck. Your gonna need it.

DakillaZ · 07-02-2010, 12:59 AM

You have papers to prove the oil changes, that doesn't mean anything. It'll prove that you did your oil changes on time. But if their tech F*cks up, it won't be written on that invoice. So, let me get this right, the 3rd party oil change place f*cks up on their end. Nissan USA goes out of their way and give you a brand new engine. You still want to sue Nissan? wow, congratulations . You're my NEW hero

yess i dont want a defected car who knows what else can happen down the road...i work hard for my money. not gunna spend it on a new engine every 18000 miles

Cmike2780 · 07-02-2010, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DakillaZ

i got it changed at a very well known carwash in the area. i have been using them forever .this is not likely if they forgot to put oil in the car it would have been friedd the next day not 3 months later.

Ever see the info-mercial with companies draining the oil and running the engine? It will still keep going even though the level is very very low, but you will damage it beyond repair. With all the noises this car makes, I wouldn't have put it pass you for thinking it sounded "normal."

wishihadnav · 07-02-2010, 01:07 AM

I'm not angry at u man..haha..5qts is a lot of missing oil..hope u get this sorted out.

rha600 · 07-02-2010, 06:58 AM

I think the oil problem (or lack of oil) has been covered. Other than the ideas other's have posted several times I am completely out of ideas. Someone did mention that maybe this has been an on going issue and it's always been slowly burning oil to the point that you're down 2 or 3 qts every oil change and it's just not noticed. Usually they just drain the oil into a big container and don't look at how much came out. Over time (18,000 miles) the low amount of oil finally caused the failure.

As for the oil light, like others showed, that light does NOT show when you're low on oil. Some cars do (like BMW) but 95% of cars it only shows when the oil pressure is low which depending on how low you are may or may not activate the light. Now going by what the dealer is saying, I would think that the light would have showed up on your car during something like a turn taken at a decent speed where the oil flows away from the pickup. ???

it's great that you change the oil every 4000 miles. I change mine every 5000 but I still check the dipstick in between. If you baby the car like you say you do, why were you not checking the oil at the very least everytime you got gas?

Jeffblue · 07-02-2010, 07:44 AM

i think the OP has inadvertently helped us. Anyone who has read this thread, and wasn't already that particular about checking their oil, has probably checked their oil. In his convoluted way of saying so, he has tried to say that his is just trying to help so this doesn't happen to anyone else. All i know, is that reading mystery stories like this will certainly make me check my oil. hearing stories like 'OMG MY ENGINE DIED! BECAUSE I HAD NO OIL' make you a lot more motivated to check your oil than ' OMG I CHECKED MY OIL AND IT WAS LOW SO I ADDED A QUART AND THEN IT WAS OK!'

LunaZ · 07-02-2010, 08:35 AM

What I've learned from this thread:
You can post a legitimate question about a topic that might have been discussed on this forum before and get the facepalm or a "use the search" or an RTFM as your response.
Make fantastic claims about blowing up your engine while writing like a teenager on MySpace, and people will write paragraphs in response.
Well done, DaZkilla.

spearfish25 · 07-02-2010, 09:28 AM

The bottom line is this:

No one here will be able to tell you what happened.

You should check your oil level with the dipstick regularly, but realize that sudden, massive leaks obviously won't be caught with a weekly dipstick check.

You have an uphill battle with Nissan if you want them to replace your motor, given that you have no proof of who changed the oil or how the leak/burn occurred.

We can now close the second thread on this issue.

nogoodname · 07-02-2010, 10:01 AM

how could the engine be missing all the oil...lol... did they even fill it up with oil?...or it leaked all out.

zero · 07-02-2010, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by nogoodname

how could the engine be missing all the oil...lol... did they even fill it up with oil?...or it leaked all out.

BP would like to know too.

07-02-2010, 12:36 AM	#49 (permalink)
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07-02-2010, 12:56 AM	#51 (permalink)
Cmike2780 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 5,059 Drives: slowwww Rep Power: 29	Wow ... and I thought my RX-8 had oil consumption issues. I had to add about 1/2 a quart in between oil changes and I thought that was a lot. I would notice the tailpipe turning pitch black over time. Over 5 quarts without a trace of oil around the engine bay, smoke or on the ground means there was very little to begin with. Period! Some of these "Jiffy Lube" type places don't exactly have the brightest "mechanics" around. OP, why you would trust your $40K sports car with a kid who makes $5 an hour is beyond me. Honestly, its easy enough to do yourself if you wanted to save money. AK has a great DIY on this forum if you want to learn. I understand why you wouldn't check the dipstick, but that doesn't mean its Nissan's fault because the car didn't warn you. It's a machine, not a babysitter. You can go after the car wash place , but you will likely have a hard time finding any credible evidence to support your case. My dad always told me to check under the hood between fill-ups. This is the very reason why you should. It sucks that this happened to you, but at least you got a good lesson from it. Good luck. Your gonna need it. __________________ [09][MB][6-Spd MT][Touring][Stillen Gen III][K&N][Borla CBE][Evo-R] [ArchitTEK Photography]

07-02-2010, 08:35 AM	#57 (permalink)
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07-02-2010, 09:28 AM	#58 (permalink)
spearfish25 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 4,117 Drives: to work Rep Power: 1856	The bottom line is this: No one here will be able to tell you what happened. You should check your oil level with the dipstick regularly, but realize that sudden, massive leaks obviously won't be caught with a weekly dipstick check. You have an uphill battle with Nissan if you want them to replace your motor, given that you have no proof of who changed the oil or how the leak/burn occurred. We can now close the second thread on this issue. __________________ 2013 Cadillac V-Wagon, RIP Z

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07-02-2010, 12:53 AM	#50 (permalink)
DakillaZ Banned Join Date: May 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 47 Drives: 370z blue/gray Rep Power: 0	i dont understand why some of you are angry at me when its me that should be the pissed offf one...now my dealership has a very bad repp for lying and beating around the bush nd could be just b.sn the whole no oil in engine story so they can blame it on me ...i will find out 2morrow hopefully nd keep you guys informed ...once again im just letting ppl in onn my experince with this car dont take it to the heart anybodyy...im just as confused as all everyone else.. so please bare with me and hopefull get to the bottom of this.

07-02-2010, 12:59 AM	#52 (permalink)
DakillaZ Banned Join Date: May 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 47 Drives: 370z blue/gray Rep Power: 0	You have papers to prove the oil changes, that doesn't mean anything. It'll prove that you did your oil changes on time. But if their tech Fcks up, it won't be written on that invoice. So, let me get this right, the 3rd party oil change place fcks up on their end. Nissan USA goes out of their way and give you a brand new engine. You still want to sue Nissan? wow, congratulations . You're my NEW hero yess i dont want a defected car who knows what else can happen down the road...i work hard for my money. not gunna spend it on a new engine every 18000 miles

07-02-2010, 01:07 AM	#54 (permalink)
wishihadnav A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: 90090 Posts: 1,851 Drives: Force Fed Nismo Rep Power: 184	I'm not angry at u man..haha..5qts is a lot of missing oil..hope u get this sorted out.

07-02-2010, 06:58 AM	#55 (permalink)
rha600 Base Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: FL Posts: 84 Drives: 05 Honda, 08 SRT8 Rep Power: 15	I think the oil problem (or lack of oil) has been covered. Other than the ideas other's have posted several times I am completely out of ideas. Someone did mention that maybe this has been an on going issue and it's always been slowly burning oil to the point that you're down 2 or 3 qts every oil change and it's just not noticed. Usually they just drain the oil into a big container and don't look at how much came out. Over time (18,000 miles) the low amount of oil finally caused the failure. As for the oil light, like others showed, that light does NOT show when you're low on oil. Some cars do (like BMW) but 95% of cars it only shows when the oil pressure is low which depending on how low you are may or may not activate the light. Now going by what the dealer is saying, I would think that the light would have showed up on your car during something like a turn taken at a decent speed where the oil flows away from the pickup. ??? it's great that you change the oil every 4000 miles. I change mine every 5000 but I still check the dipstick in between. If you baby the car like you say you do, why were you not checking the oil at the very least everytime you got gas?

07-02-2010, 07:44 AM	#56 (permalink)
Jeffblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: NY Age: 36 Posts: 9,192 Drives: Z32TT & 335xi Coupe Rep Power: 37	i think the OP has inadvertently helped us. Anyone who has read this thread, and wasn't already that particular about checking their oil, has probably checked their oil. In his convoluted way of saying so, he has tried to say that his is just trying to help so this doesn't happen to anyone else. All i know, is that reading mystery stories like this will certainly make me check my oil. hearing stories like 'OMG MY ENGINE DIED! BECAUSE I HAD NO OIL' make you a lot more motivated to check your oil than ' OMG I CHECKED MY OIL AND IT WAS LOW SO I ADDED A QUART AND THEN IT WAS OK!'

07-02-2010, 10:01 AM	#59 (permalink)
nogoodname Lifetime Premium Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Montreal Posts: 22,357 Drives: E46 M3 Rep Power: 1764	how could the engine be missing all the oil...lol... did they even fill it up with oil?...or it leaked all out.