Hope Nissan is watching this...

WarmAndSCSI

You're still missing the point. The Genesis Coupe aftermarket is still dismal compared to any other sport Japanese import. You start out with an inferior 2.0T L4 or 3.8 V6, and then have no real aftermarket options after that. ECU flashes? WOW. Reminds me of the kind of aftermarket support I had on my first tuner. Pathetic.

You're arguing the wrong points here. The Genesis Coupe engine platforms and aftermarket are pathetic compared to what's already available for VQ VHR platform.

In short:

Inferior engines - check.
Inferior aftermarket - check.

What's your argument again? The Genesis Coupe is a good car and a decent sports car. It's nothing compared to a Z, however. You're trying to argue with me as though I called the car a piece of ****. Almost everything else Hyundai makes is, but I never insulted the Genesis Coupe. I just said it was no 370Z.

And you cannot call me a "Z fanboi." I suggested the Genesis Coupe to my wife when she wanted a new car. I thought we should go test drive them, but she refused because it's a Hyundai. A new, unproven Hyundai at that.

matt@qc

How is that?

It tooks 3 years for Fast Intentions to finally release long tube headers for the Z. CP-E's LTH will be released this month for the GC. We're looking at over 20whp gains compared to the stubby design on the OE headers, and they'll eliminate the primary cats as well.

ECU reflashes are awfully important on the Genesis 3.8 considering it was originally tuned to run on 87 octane, thus suffering from extremely rich conditions throughout the RPM range. The 3.8 with I/H/E and a tune will put down over 310whp with a underrevving engine (7200 RPM with a flash). The OE cams being the culprit in disallowing any higher revs. It took a few years to polished ECU tuning on the Z, initially you guys were barely gaining anything. I know because I've been in the market for sports car for quite a while, and as a car enthusiast I lurked these boards and kept myself updated.

We already have a few supercharger and turbo packages available from Korea. We already have cams available as well, engine internals, etc.

P.S.: The first production year of the Genesis is a MY2010.

I fail to see your point, we have amazing aftermarket support.

WarmAndSCSI

The 370Z doesn't even benefit from headers because of the improved stock exhaust mani design. That's why there were no good early offerings. Even the long tubes really aren't worth the money IMO.

Every mod that actually produces results for the 370Z already has 2+ manufacturers producing parts. Even forced induction kits.

Korean turbo kit? OK, have fun with that.

It may be a 2010 model year, but it came out in the beginning of 2009. I remember looking at them in March 2009. Slightly after the 2009 Z. What's your point?

matt@qc

Considering the GC is a 2 engine platform and is barely a year old, I'd say having the options we currently have is amazing.

Korean turbo kit, a joke? The car's Korean, your point is?

Anything JDM for the Z's a joke too?

Fanboy!

WarmAndSCSI

The current offerings for the GC 3.8 rival with what I have available for my 2001 slushbox 3.0 L V6 Galant. A car that shouldn't even have any performance mods to begin with... Amazing options? No. A good selection, yes.

Do you care to elaborate on the experience of Korean tuners/fab houses? Japanese tuning companies are world-renowned for their fabrication and tuning abilities. Hyundai is a great company with a very nice R&D division, I'm going to argue that these Korean startups producing parts for the Genesis Coupe cannot say the same for themselves... yet.

tbonesteak

Warm, give it up. The guy has a fair view and u need to learn to give credit where it's deserved. Your fanboism is pretty pathetic man... Like someone said earlier, this is why the Z community doesn't have the greatest image among the tuner crowd.

Forrest

If i was in the market again. And i had to cross shop a Genesis 5.0 and a 370z same price. at 429HP i would be driving a genesis.

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LinPark

I would say Warm's "fanboyism" is right where it should be here on The370Z.com - why don't you guys stroll back over to TheGC.com and show your "fanboyism" there? Looks to me like you're just here for starting arguments. I know this is a public forum but my understanding is that its intention is to provide a place where 370Z enthusiasts and owners can come together and share ideas. Not saying you aren't welcome, but what purpose are you serving here to further that end?

m4a1mustang

Ah... the "car guy" is truly a dying breed.

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It seems to me that the Gen Coupe is not targeting the 'true' sport car market, but rather going after the Stangs in an attempt to enter the muscle car war. It will be hard for it to do so, and for many to view it as a muscle car only becuase muscle cars are typically what? American....

But, that most definately seems to be the route the are going. The V8 will increase weight of the car (engine and chasis strenthing to handle the power) to somewhere close to the Stang; so it will become just that... a true muscle car by definition.

That's cool, I think the Stang is top notch and would love to see Ford rattled again by the Gen Coupe. Because it is an import, however, people will ALWAYS class is a Z competition, but in the end, it will really be more comparable to the Muscle cars with a V8. Meanwhile, the Z continues to be compared to the Z4's, Caymans, Boxsters, etc of the world.

And, the ONLY Gen Coupe I have seen and thought looked good, was a white one, lowered on gun metal CE28's I saw rolling around Phoenix a couple months back. It was hot.

LMBmikeZ

**** it take a Z and fit a titan 5.6L v8 and see how you can tune her up!

daisuke149

again the other cars that hyundai produces arent crap. The genesis sedan is an amazing car. The 2006+ sonata's are great everyday sedans. Compared to an over priced boring camry or accord? A fully loaded 2006 sonata was available for 21k out the door, a comparable camry was 27k. The santa Fe's every since they have been out have been a great alternative as an SUV. They were larger and more comfortable than their competitors (yes the styling is definitely a question to each person and the engines werent great, but when it came out try to remember what the competition was anyway)

And yes as said previously, the GC isnt directly targetting the z, but its still a decent comparison. If it makes nissan up the Z next time around how is any of this a bad thing?

And the reason the 370 has a good aftermarket is that it directly follows the 350. Once the GC 2nd gen is out the aftermarket avail will be comparable if not better due to the 2 engines (esp one being turbo)

Any the GC guy shouldnt have to take his "arguements" somewhere else. This is a forum. A forum is a place to discuss ideas and share thoughts. And people are right, there is abhorish fanboism sometimes (on both sides lets be fair, if we take a look at the GC forums)

P.S I also did crosh shop the GC and the 370. In the end i wanted a purer sports car, had no need for 4 seats (i also purchased a versa at the same time). So again the 370 is purpose built as a sports car. The GC is built as a sports coupe but better than the other sports coupes out there. (notice, sports car vs sports coupe, yes theres a difference)

Now if only Korea would send the Spirra out here at a 40k price point or something.

theDreamer

I need to correct you on a few things.
The first set of LTH produced by Fast Intentions was December of 2009 and the first Z in the US was sold January 2, 2009. (Link) Production was only slowed because Tony (owner of F.I.) wanted to buy a piece of equipment which would make a better product all around; downside was it had a 2-3 month wait to get it in. Upside everyone in the community agreed it was fine and we gladly waited.

Where did anyone say we got nothing from tunes?
Tuning is first not about gains, it is about bringing the engine in check between timing, AF, etc. so as to not cause knocking or other negative effects. Then we look at gains on what the car can do, and if you want to compare a stock Z v. a stock Z with a tune it is from 10-20HP (based on dyno). The reason people do not see much gains after they do aftermarket parts is because we have an ECU which learns and adapts to changes properly. Thus when I put intake, LTH, exhaust I gained my 40HP but only 5-8 from a tune, but the tune made sure I did not ruin my engine.

Point of this post is to correct false information. The gen coupe is a good start up car for Hyundai, but like any new car it has been slow aftermarket wise because tuning companies have a lot of R&D to do, price decisions to make, etc. I am sure the gen coupe will grow quickly, but it has been slow just because of the newer market (not a bad thing, but just how it is).

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