Hope Nissan is watching this...

CBRich

Our definitions of "same league" must be different. I did not say it was superior. It has a power number which is close, a six speed manual, rear wheel drive, and a bit more heft. It's in the same arena as the 370Z but loses to it, it's that simple.

CBRich

WORST. LOGIC. EVER.

Ford started racing in 1901. Did you hear that correctly? 19 . . . 01. So the Z is about 70 years behind in racing pedigree. I guess it'll never catch up . . .

It's obvious you have no idea what you're talking about.

toxik

I have a close friend with a 3.8 Gen coupe... we did a direct compare between my White 370 and his White Gen coupe. Honestly you guys shouldn't knock on Hyundai, from all the coupes that i've been in or driven in the Z price range, the Genesis would be 2nd on my list after the Z. The Z feels sportier but the Genesis is a nice luxury coupe with a sweet interior, plus power to boot.

Oh and they all debadge their cars right from the dealership, rightfully so because having a Hyundai logo on that car is almost "unfair" to the car.

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Gunzero

Should... have... waited... for this.
I always thought the Genesis Coupe was a great car.. Pretty sexy too in real life.
This makes me wanna cry (((((

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nicknick

very obvious.

red6spd

Never gonna happen.

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kenchan

really? thing looks like it has JDM wheels but only JDM-Style bodywork and chassis?

suppose better than driving a mazda.

mrcardio

Well I’ve recently test driven a 09’ Gen Coupe V6, 09’370z and 08’ S2K because they’re on my list. Sorry to say but I didn’t get the impression that the 370z was vastly superior to the Gen Coupe. The Z felt a tad more powerful in a straight line, engine sound was raucous towards redline and handling wasn’t much if any better than the Gen coupe. If any one of these cars felt like it had a racing heritage it was the S2K for sure. And contrary to popular belief the S2k isn’t exactly a slug; it goes quite well and was the funniest to drive in my opinion. But as an everyday driver I think the Gen Coupe and Z would be more bearable.

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tbonesteak

^^ yes, i come from the s2k and guess what. The Z lacks a whole lotta "soul" and is tame and lame compared to the s in terms of being raw and having "soul". so what? I've driven the gen coupe many times, and the Z doesn't feel very much if at all more "soul-ful" than the gen coupe. For someone to dish out comments such as "i would not drive a hyundai" and "hyundai lacks 40 yrs in comparison to the z" is just plain retarded. Give credit where it is deserved. Hyundai is a top tier automotive company now. Same goes for when Lexus first started, ppl like you were bashing on it and look at them now. Come on man.....

matt@qc

I've been a lurker on theses forums mostly for private classifieds and I'm a car enthusiast.

The amount of fanboy'ism expressed by a few members on here is sickening, though not surprizing.

I own a '10 STI and a '10 GC 3.8. My good friend has a 370Z and I got to drive it a few times.

A few myth busting first:

1. The GC is not a 3600lbs car, unless you'll weight it with a passenger inside and a trunk full of crap. The 2.0T comes around 3300 lbs, the 3.8 is a 3389 lbs car. The Z is 3250 lbs, is much shorter and has 2 less seats.

2. The 6spd MT indeed needs work, the 2010 cars have had difficulties with the synchros going into 5th. This has been resolved, as a matter of fact I am getting a new transmission put in within 2 weeks under warranty, no questions asked.

3. The interior is no luxury sedan, however it has great ergonomics, the infinity sound system is great. The leather quality needs work, the seats are superb, much better than my STI and comparable to the Z. To claim it's crap is far fetched, do you guys not remember the plastic fiesta the 350Z was? It took Nissan 5 generations to get the interior right, Hyundai released enhancements for the 2011 model with better interior quality including the steering wheel.

4. Posted by your resident Nissan fanboy:

That just gave me a good laugh. The 2.0T is enjoying unparalleled aftermarket and "real" car enthusiast support. I have yet to witness a platform so well received in the aftermarket community. RWD, 4 cyl, turbo, LSD, Brembo brakes, great looks, cheap. What else do you want?

5. Another one from him.

This is where your opinion fails. Hyundai didn't make a perfect sports car, heck you can even argue the V6 is closer to a GT, ala G37, than an all out sports car. However there initiatives in bringing back the affordable RWD platform deserves credit on its own.

By your own logic, the 370Z is the result of 40 years of R&D. If that is the case, I have bad news for you, within a few years of R&D Hyundai got to 90% of the Z. They are putting massive effort to improve as shown by the 2011 improvements to the transmission and interior components.

Their effort is continuous as proved by this press release announcing this new engine. It is not yet confirmed, though you can certainly expect Hyundai to ditch the V6, put the 2.0T GDI 280hp/280tq with a better tune, hopefully at 300/300, and then make it a true sports car with the 5.0 V8 putting out over 450hp with a better tune.

What will you claim then?

tbonesteak

Yes, the fanboism of the Z crowd is pretty horrid. Hence the reputation. I was cross shopping the Gen Coupe and drove about 10 of them just to be sure I could live with the thing. I was shocked at how well it drove, handled, felt, looked, and all main criteria that I was looking at. I admit, i was once a Hyundai-hater solely based on the prior image, but after driving gen coupe, gen sedan, and the new sonata, I am a true believer in their products and I would pick up a gen sedan if i was in the market for something in that class. I didn't end up getting the gen coupe because of the deal i was thrown at with my 370, but to me Hyundai is definitely a top tier automaker today.

WarmAndSCSI

The 2.0T that comes in the Genesis is a piece of crap. It is very, very weak in stock form and it has nearly NO aftermarket support - do not confuse that variant of the 4B11T with Mitsubishi's 4B11T. It's a completely open-deck design and the internals are inferior to the Evo X 4B11T.

And even the Evo X powerplant has some issues. I would know...

You're clearly the one here who has no idea what you're talking about. Last I checked, nobody has even come out with a replacement turbo or upgraded turbo kit for the 4B11 in the Genesis Coupe. That's quite honestly a pathetic aftermarket.

edit: nvm, looks like ATP finally came out with a stock replacement upgrade for the Genesis 2.0T. I wouldn't trust that though considering the experience Evo X tuners have had with other stock replacement offerings from Garrett and ATP.

WarmAndSCSI

It's obvious you're just an ******* just wanting an argument.

I never said Hyundai won't be where Nissan is now in 10-20 years. I'm simply saying they cannot possibly pose as a true competitor right now because Nissan has approximately 30-40x more experience doing this. Nissan has had 40 years to catch up with everybody else and pull ahead in certain aspects. Hyundai has had 1.

Ford has HAD a car that is arguably a better sports car than Nissan has ever produced - the Ford GT. Your example actually supports what I have to say... And we can argue all day about the GT-R, but I'd much rather have the true driver's supercar that is the Ford GT.

It's your logic that is flawed. Don't put words in my mouth.

matt@qc

Fanboy'ism is often a parent disease to cluelessness. You seem to suffer from both.

It is a known fact the 2.0T - Theta II does not have forged internals and will hold up to 350whp. However this did not stop companies such as Buschur Racing, Beyond Redline, GReddy, HKS, ATP, LoveFab, CP-E, PowerAxel, SeoulFulRacing and more all currently offering or working on a turbo kit. Companies are currently working on manifold kits to use the EVO X OE turbo on the Coupe for an easy and cheap power upgrade. Heck, the car wasn't even in the US yet PowerAxel had a tuning module for it similar to Cobb's.

I own a 3.8, so I could care less about the 2.0T's abilities to hold boost, however to claim it has no aftermarket support is truly foolish. The 3.8, the unfavoured powerplant, already has 3 ECU flashes available. The 2.0T has 4, soon to be 5 with CP-E's stand alone.

Does the fact the Genesis Coupe 3.8 was compared by car mags to pretty much anything out there RWD and with 2 doors prove it is not a worthy competitor? That it won versus your G37 brother according to Edmunds? That it beat all V6 pony cars according to MotorTrend? That it came a close second to the Z according to AutoBlog? That is has steering feel an M3 should be jealous off?

Knock Hyundai all you want, they'll just bite back.






Below is my personal review comparing the GC 3.8 versus the 370Z. I'm awfully harsh on Hyundai. I believe the GC is a blank canvas whereas the Z is a tuned car out of the box. There is a lot left on the table by Hyundai whether it is in both engines, the suspension and the tire selection. A tune with a cold air dyno'ed over 40whp, amazing, no? Add better wheel/tire combo and you have a solid competitor

Disclaimer: I'm in Canada, pricing is different than in the US.

I'd like to first start off by saying that I'm a happy owner of a Genesis Coupe 3.8. It's a great car for the price, but I feel people are getting ahead of themselves when comparing to the likes of the 370Z. Here are my reasons why.

One of my friend's family member recently acquired a 370Z Sport Package in Silverstone gray. Fantastic looking car, they pictures simply do not render the extreme lines and massive bulging rear fenders of the Z. I will try to keep this as objective as possible without comparing the exterior of the cars.

Interior: The fit and finish is simply leagues above the GC.
Leathered dash components and cup holders. Soft plastic main dash, what seems to be alcantara on the doors. Readable screen for display of on-board information. Telescopic wheel with the whole dash cluster moving.

Suspension components This is where I feel the biggest edge of the Z is. Our cars are simply "cheap" when compared to the Z's suspension components.

Double wishbone, multi link suspension on all 4 corners, all aluminum. Our GCs are equipped with steel suspension arms and a cost cutting MacPherson strut up front.

We all pride ourselves in the great 19s Track wheels and our beautiful they are, but it ends there. The Z comes with 19x10.5 (or is it 10" ?) 275 tire 19x9 245 tire wrapped around Ray's Forged wheels, a rarity amongst GC owners.

The Z comes with a massive strut tower bar (much more impressive than our wimpy bar) and a trunk bar as well. The whole chassis just feels in sync.

Did I mention how low it was? The front splitter is literally 2 - 3 " off the ground.

Brakes

Brakes are comparable to the GC in terms of pistons, the Zs seem to be slightly bigger in overall diameter. The feel however is miles ahead of the track package, mainly attributable to the cut pads.

Powertrain and drivetrain

The VQ37HR is noisy, but it's also extremely rev happy. Now we come to the ultimate GC weakness, the drivetrain. The 6MT on the GC is crap all around. Soft bushings which results in unprecise gear selection, grinding in 5th gear, etc.

The Z's 6MT is superb, althought slighly notchy as you would expect in a sports car, the 2nd to 3rd gear engagement is blistering quick. Engaging neutral to 3rd is literally half an inch of travel. What I thought was a relatively short shift in the GC now feels like rowing a boat.

In terms of performance, the 370Z is similar to my modified GC 3.8, however the rev happy nature of the engine and the great drivetrain makes for an overall better driving experience IMHO.

Bottom line:

Hyundai gave us an unrefined and blank canvas. If you want to take your GC anywhere close to a Z, you will need to invest in the following:

* new suspension package will be required, new sway and strut bars, new coilovers and bushings.
* new wheel and tire package will be needed,
* power package will be needed: reflash, CAI, true dual exhaust.



My GC 3.8 was 34,000 + taxes in Canada, this 370Z was around 50,000 + taxes.

The Z is track-ready, buy an oilcooler and head for the track. The GC isn't, getting close to the Z will require a lot of improvements and in the end, you will loose what most of you bought the Hyundai for, it's warranty. For people in the US where pricing is even closer, I feel this is a no contest. Unless you need the 2 seats, it is 370Z all the way.

For those of you in Canada, I just wished we stopped comparing our cars to the Z. It's 15,000 more expensive and it shows everywhere you look.

Overall I would say the Genesis Coupe is still the best bang for your buck outside of the pony cars, however it is severely unrefined when compared to the competition and needs a serious refresh to compete. Hyundai needs to truly figure out where they want their product to be placed in the market, because at the moment, the only thing going for it is it's price!

P.S., for those asking, here's my car:

fullmonty

IBTL

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