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Hi-Step'n370Z 06-26-2010 08:01 AM

This is NOT to knock the Hyundai, but 429 horsepower? I wouldn't think the Hyundai has the heft/suspension to handle that kind of power. Is it all engine with nothing to hold it on the road? Put that kind of power in a Z, a Porsche, a Mustang, etc., and I can see it, but in a little Hyundai? Unless there is something about the 429 HP Hyundai that I don't know, the 429 HP doesn't make sense in a car like that.

I remember reading about the 1970 Challenger with a 426 Hemi, and the car was very prone to fish-tailing/spinning out, where it's larger counterparts did not have the problem because of the difference in body style.

429 in this Hyundai makes me think it's going to be unstable.

But, this is just a thought as I have never driven one, nor read up on the cars stats.

Cmike2780 06-26-2010 08:12 AM

If they do come out with a 429hp sports car,they should design it from the ground up instead of an after thought to fill a segment. I would like to see what Hyundai can do with more time and r&d. It seemed like they rushed the Genesis Coupe to market to keep the steam going. If they go through with it, it's a win for car enthusiast. More competition is gonna produce better sports cars and always has.

daisuke149 06-26-2010 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 594422)
If they do come out with a 429hp sports car,they should design it from the ground up instead of an after thought to fill a segment. I would like to see what Hyundai can do with more time and r&d. It seemed like they rushed the Genesis Coupe to market to keep the steam going. If they go through with it, it's a win for car enthusiast. More competition is gonna produce better sports cars and always has.

they didnt rush it. it was in development since about 2004 i remember first reading about their rwd coupe development.

but since it is a Hyundai, they didnt make it a pure sports car they wanted it to appeal to a broader audience, thus they had to make it more day to day. So either they took a regular coupe and made it sportier, or took a sports car and make it more everyday. Either way their intention then was a broader market for sales. They still have growing to do and so they can't do a specialized market car just yet.

P.S for everyone knocking the Hyundais they are currently #1 in owner loyalty.. yup.. more return Hyundai buyers than any other brand.

j.arnaldo 06-26-2010 10:00 AM

Right, Cmike! Even BETTER!!!

Cmike2780 06-26-2010 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by daisuke149 (Post 594465)
they didnt rush it. it was in development since about 2004 i remember first reading about their rwd coupe development.

but since it is a Hyundai, they didnt make it a pure sports car they wanted it to appeal to a broader audience, thus they had to make it more day to day. So either they took a regular coupe and made it sportier, or took a sports car and make it more everyday. Either way their intention then was a broader market for sales. They still have growing to do and so they can't do a specialized market car just yet.

P.S for everyone knocking the Hyundais they are currently #1 in owner loyalty.. yup.. more return Hyundai buyers than any other brand.

I'm not knocking Hyundai. I'm just saying if your gonna slap V8 429hp motor in a two door, it better be considered a true sports car. Sports cars will always be a niche market and can't satisfy a broad market because of the inherent impracticality associated.

Hyundai seems to push price points above anything else, I want to see what they can do without limitations. Honda, Toyota & Nissan took decades to grow, Hyundai is late in the game and sprinting to catch up, which is why there is so much talk.

tbonesteak 06-26-2010 11:26 AM

^^well i guess we'll have to see about that. Hopefully it's legit.

daisuke149 06-26-2010 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 594498)
I'm not knocking Hyundai. I'm just saying if your gonna slap V8 429hp motor in a two door, it better be considered a true sports car. Sports cars will always be a niche market and can't satisfy a broad market because of the inherent impracticality associated.

Hyundai seems to push price points above anything else, I want to see what they can do without limitations. Honda, Toyota & Nissan took decades to grow, Hyundai is late in the game and sprinting to catch up, which is why there is so much talk.

no i understand that part. Once they prove themselves in the everyday broader market, they can branch out into niche's.

but I disagree that 429 "has" to be a true sports car.

Camaro, Mustang, challenger etc. Big muscle cars. So hyundai has a few options to go with.

Of course I would like to see a proper sports car. They easily have the capability and the partners in the world to help them, they are just not ready for it. And for that im actually glad that they are not trying right now, as it may discourage them from trying at a later point.

Modshack 06-26-2010 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by toxik (Post 593347)
I'm just as much of a car enthusiast as the next guy.


If you belittle Miatas than you are NOT a true enthusiast. I've had 3 (and 8 Porsches), and even a first year 116hp example is about as much fun as you can have on 2 wheels. Sounds like you're hung up on "image".....Car bigots are all over the internet and will love to validate your misconceptions...

matt@qc 06-26-2010 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 594422)
If they do come out with a 429hp sports car,they should design it from the ground up instead of an after thought to fill a segment. I would like to see what Hyundai can do with more time and r&d. It seemed like they rushed the Genesis Coupe to market to keep the steam going. If they go through with it, it's a win for car enthusiast. More competition is gonna produce better sports cars and always has.

That's a good point.

All that you are seeing from Hyundai today is in preparation for a new "luxury" brand in 4-5 years when the second generation of Genesis Sedan and Coupes come along.

I wouldn't expect the V8 to make it in this current generation.

kenchan 06-26-2010 05:31 PM

I want to see them put 429hp in their late 80's Excell. Now that would be funny. It would be the next faux mitsu evolution.

daleks 06-26-2010 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by matt@qc (Post 594547)
That's a good point.

All that you are seeing from Hyundai today is in preparation for a new "luxury" brand in 4-5 years when the second generation of Genesis Sedan and Coupes come along.

I wouldn't expect the V8 to make it in this current generation.

Yeah Hyundai is going to drop a V8 into a car when nearly every other brand is looking at hybrid and/or diesel sportscars. Even German manufacturers (M & AMG-series) are moving from V8's to twin turbo V6's. Wishful thinking for future Hyundai owners...

matt@qc 06-26-2010 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by daleks (Post 594865)
Yeah Hyundai is going to drop a V8 into a car when nearly every other brand is looking at hybrid and/or diesel sportscars. Even German manufacturers (M & AMG-series) are moving from V8's to twin turbo V6's. Wishful thinking for future Hyundai owners...

Hyundai has rarely been known for innovation, and the Genesis Coupe is certainly not a high mover in the sense they could care less about MPG.

tbonesteak 06-26-2010 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Modshack (Post 594534)
If you belittle Miatas than you are NOT a true enthusiast. I've had 3 (and 8 Porsches), and even a first year 116hp example is about as much fun as you can have on 2 wheels. Sounds like you're hung up on "image".....Car bigots are all over the internet and will love to validate your misconceptions...

What he said. He's into image and nothing more. "Sports cars shouldn't be cheap".

370zlove3 06-28-2010 12:28 PM

Apparently the rumor going around for Dodge is that the new 2011 SRT8 is going to have 480 horsepower and 460 lb ft of torque.

If all of these manufacturers are 'upgrading' their cars then Nissan should too. Unless you are jealous that your 2009/2010 Z is not getting the same treatment.

LinPark 06-28-2010 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 370zlove3 (Post 596923)
Apparently the rumor going around for Dodge is that the new 2011 SRT8 is going to have 480 horsepower and 460 lb ft of torque.

If all of these manufacturers are 'upgrading' their cars then Nissan should too. Unless you are jealous that your 2009/2010 Z is not getting the same treatment.

With all the oil leaking out into the Gulf and the fact that the Obama administration is now the majority stock holder in the US auto companies I seriously doubt increased HP is going to be a priority for the foreseeable future. :)


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