Hope Nissan is watching this...

wishihadnav · 06-25-2010, 03:11 PM

yeah miata's are great track cars no doubt..rwd,cheap,light..etc..still wouldn't drive one on the street though..but thats just me..haha.

Cmike2780 · 06-25-2010, 03:49 PM

Don't race anything you can't afford to crash. The Miata is a perfect squid car to learn proper driving technique's. Don't forget, that car was still going strong when it seemed like rwd sports cars were going extinct (300ZX, RX-7, Supra).

wishihadnav · 06-25-2010, 03:57 PM

^^exactly.

tbonesteak · 06-25-2010, 05:05 PM

^^^YES finally.

tbonesteak · 06-25-2010, 05:08 PM

bottom line is that your "i don't think sports cars are meant to be cheap" philosophy is a no go.

kenchan · 06-25-2010, 07:44 PM

anyone going all out KDM yet?

Hi-Step'n370Z · 06-26-2010, 08:01 AM

This is NOT to knock the Hyundai, but 429 horsepower? I wouldn't think the Hyundai has the heft/suspension to handle that kind of power. Is it all engine with nothing to hold it on the road? Put that kind of power in a Z, a Porsche, a Mustang, etc., and I can see it, but in a little Hyundai? Unless there is something about the 429 HP Hyundai that I don't know, the 429 HP doesn't make sense in a car like that.

I remember reading about the 1970 Challenger with a 426 Hemi, and the car was very prone to fish-tailing/spinning out, where it's larger counterparts did not have the problem because of the difference in body style.

429 in this Hyundai makes me think it's going to be unstable.

But, this is just a thought as I have never driven one, nor read up on the cars stats.

370zlove3 · 06-28-2010, 12:28 PM

Apparently the rumor going around for Dodge is that the new 2011 SRT8 is going to have 480 horsepower and 460 lb ft of torque.

If all of these manufacturers are 'upgrading' their cars then Nissan should too. Unless you are jealous that your 2009/2010 Z is not getting the same treatment.

LinPark · 06-28-2010, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 370zlove3

Apparently the rumor going around for Dodge is that the new 2011 SRT8 is going to have 480 horsepower and 460 lb ft of torque.

If all of these manufacturers are 'upgrading' their cars then Nissan should too. Unless you are jealous that your 2009/2010 Z is not getting the same treatment.

With all the oil leaking out into the Gulf and the fact that the Obama administration is now the majority stock holder in the US auto companies I seriously doubt increased HP is going to be a priority for the foreseeable future.

Lug · 06-29-2010, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by LinPark

With all the oil leaking out into the Gulf and the fact that the Obama administration is now the majority stock holder in the US auto companies I seriously doubt increased HP is going to be a priority for the foreseeable future.

If there is a market and they can legally import it, it will come.

shadoquad · 06-29-2010, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Lug

If there is a market and they can legally import it, it will come.

After the last few years, where Congress has informed us that people want to buy crappy little econo-boxes instead of performance vehicles, GM sure did sell some Camaros, and Ford looks poised to sell a lot of new Mustangs.

So

Cmike2780 · 06-26-2010, 08:12 AM

If they do come out with a 429hp sports car,they should design it from the ground up instead of an after thought to fill a segment. I would like to see what Hyundai can do with more time and r&d. It seemed like they rushed the Genesis Coupe to market to keep the steam going. If they go through with it, it's a win for car enthusiast. More competition is gonna produce better sports cars and always has.

daisuke149 · 06-26-2010, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

If they do come out with a 429hp sports car,they should design it from the ground up instead of an after thought to fill a segment. I would like to see what Hyundai can do with more time and r&d. It seemed like they rushed the Genesis Coupe to market to keep the steam going. If they go through with it, it's a win for car enthusiast. More competition is gonna produce better sports cars and always has.

they didnt rush it. it was in development since about 2004 i remember first reading about their rwd coupe development.

but since it is a Hyundai, they didnt make it a pure sports car they wanted it to appeal to a broader audience, thus they had to make it more day to day. So either they took a regular coupe and made it sportier, or took a sports car and make it more everyday. Either way their intention then was a broader market for sales. They still have growing to do and so they can't do a specialized market car just yet.

P.S for everyone knocking the Hyundais they are currently #1 in owner loyalty.. yup.. more return Hyundai buyers than any other brand.

Cmike2780 · 06-26-2010, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daisuke149

they didnt rush it. it was in development since about 2004 i remember first reading about their rwd coupe development.

but since it is a Hyundai, they didnt make it a pure sports car they wanted it to appeal to a broader audience, thus they had to make it more day to day. So either they took a regular coupe and made it sportier, or took a sports car and make it more everyday. Either way their intention then was a broader market for sales. They still have growing to do and so they can't do a specialized market car just yet.

P.S for everyone knocking the Hyundais they are currently #1 in owner loyalty.. yup.. more return Hyundai buyers than any other brand.

I'm not knocking Hyundai. I'm just saying if your gonna slap V8 429hp motor in a two door, it better be considered a true sports car. Sports cars will always be a niche market and can't satisfy a broad market because of the inherent impracticality associated.

Hyundai seems to push price points above anything else, I want to see what they can do without limitations. Honda, Toyota & Nissan took decades to grow, Hyundai is late in the game and sprinting to catch up, which is why there is so much talk.

daisuke149 · 06-26-2010, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cmike2780

I'm not knocking Hyundai. I'm just saying if your gonna slap V8 429hp motor in a two door, it better be considered a true sports car. Sports cars will always be a niche market and can't satisfy a broad market because of the inherent impracticality associated.

Hyundai seems to push price points above anything else, I want to see what they can do without limitations. Honda, Toyota & Nissan took decades to grow, Hyundai is late in the game and sprinting to catch up, which is why there is so much talk.

no i understand that part. Once they prove themselves in the everyday broader market, they can branch out into niche's.

but I disagree that 429 "has" to be a true sports car.

Camaro, Mustang, challenger etc. Big muscle cars. So hyundai has a few options to go with.

Of course I would like to see a proper sports car. They easily have the capability and the partners in the world to help them, they are just not ready for it. And for that im actually glad that they are not trying right now, as it may discourage them from trying at a later point.

06-25-2010, 03:49 PM	#2 (permalink)
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Cmike2780 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 5,059 Drives: slowwww Rep Power: 29	If they do come out with a 429hp sports car,they should design it from the ground up instead of an after thought to fill a segment. I would like to see what Hyundai can do with more time and r&d. It seemed like they rushed the Genesis Coupe to market to keep the steam going. If they go through with it, it's a win for car enthusiast. More competition is gonna produce better sports cars and always has. __________________ [09][MB][6-Spd MT][Touring][Stillen Gen III][K&N][Borla CBE][Evo-R] [ArchitTEK Photography]

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Hi-Step'n370Z Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: new york Posts: 425 Drives: '10ZR S/B AT Tour NV Rep Power: 278	This is NOT to knock the Hyundai, but 429 horsepower? I wouldn't think the Hyundai has the heft/suspension to handle that kind of power. Is it all engine with nothing to hold it on the road? Put that kind of power in a Z, a Porsche, a Mustang, etc., and I can see it, but in a little Hyundai? Unless there is something about the 429 HP Hyundai that I don't know, the 429 HP doesn't make sense in a car like that. I remember reading about the 1970 Challenger with a 426 Hemi, and the car was very prone to fish-tailing/spinning out, where it's larger counterparts did not have the problem because of the difference in body style. 429 in this Hyundai makes me think it's going to be unstable. But, this is just a thought as I have never driven one, nor read up on the cars stats.

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370zlove3 Base Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: USA Posts: 73 Drives: 2010 370Z Rep Power: 16	Apparently the rumor going around for Dodge is that the new 2011 SRT8 is going to have 480 horsepower and 460 lb ft of torque. If all of these manufacturers are 'upgrading' their cars then Nissan should too. Unless you are jealous that your 2009/2010 Z is not getting the same treatment.