Hope Nissan is watching this...

zZSportZz · 06-29-2010, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

Agreed. There are people with riced out civics that thing their cars are lambo status and are better than anything else. Ultimately, they know its not. If i pull up to a 911, The guy can look over at my car, think its a really nice car, but he knows its better, and i know his is better too. If i pull up to a genesis, and made eye contact i'd definitely say, nice car. and i think that MOST genesis owners, deep down, know that the Z is a better car.

Funny thing is, in this thread alone, there are a lot of members here that think the Z is lambo status...

shadow2k · 06-25-2010, 11:09 AM

Every other car I looked at before buying the Z had 4 seats. I'm not the only guy that didn't cross cars off his list because they had a back seat.

The GC was actually a car I looked at briefly. Unfortunately it is ugly both inside and out to me, so it got crossed off pretty quick. But remember, it is not expensive, it has power, and it has a superb warranty. Those three things will draw more people in than the Z's heritage. Your rep will only get you so far. It would not surprise me in the least to see a 429hp GC outsell the 370z in the states unless Nissan bumped the power output.

toxik · 06-25-2010, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by shadow2k

Every other car I looked at before buying the Z had 4 seats. I'm not the only guy that didn't cross cars off his list because they had a back seat.

The GC was actually a car I looked at briefly. Unfortunately it is ugly both inside and out to me, so it got crossed off pretty quick. But remember, it is not expensive, it has power, and it has a superb warranty. Those three things will draw more people in than the Z's heritage. Your rep will only get you so far. It would not surprise me in the least to see a 429hp GC outsell the 370z in the states unless Nissan bumped the power output.

fine by me, i don't want nissan to make the Z an attractive car to the masses, I want it to be an enthusiast car, which only a lucky few choose to own.

my biggest gripe with the genesis, and why in the end I think a Z is a better car, even without the looks, power, etc.... I think the Genesis is trying too hard to be what is already out. The points they copied from various other car manufacturers are so blatant... its trying to be G37 too much. Hey Hyundai why don't you make something original, same as what Nissan and Infiniti have been doing, they are not trying to look like a BMW or whoever their competition is. The Z doesn't look like anything else on the road, I can't say that for the Gen.

And for those that got a Gen because it's cheap for a RWD sports car... cheap and sports car should not be in the same sentence imho.

shadoquad · 06-25-2010, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by toxik

And for those that got a Gen because it's cheap for a RWD sports car... cheap and sports car should not be in the same sentence imho.

You're probably not a big fan of Miatas, then, are you?

I have no problem with affordable performance.

My only gripe with the genny was build quality and design. Also, it was hard to locate one with a manual tranny and the 6-banger in my area.

toxik · 06-25-2010, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

You're probably not a big fan of Miatas, then, are you?

I have no problem with affordable performance.

My only gripe with the genny was build quality and design. Also, it was hard to locate one with a manual tranny and the 6-banger in my area.

miata handling ftw... great car to get for an 18 year old as a first car.

i just don't think sports cars are meant to be cheap.

tbonesteak · 06-25-2010, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

You're probably not a big fan of Miatas, then, are you?

I have no problem with affordable performance.

My only gripe with the genny was build quality and design. Also, it was hard to locate one with a manual tranny and the 6-banger in my area.

Good man....miatas are one of the greatest enthusiast cars ever made and they are damn cheap. So was the s2000. At their final 2 yrs of production, you could walk out with a brand new one for 28k OTD, which is accord range.

Jeffblue · 06-25-2010, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by toxik

fine by me, i don't want nissan to make the Z an attractive car to the masses, I want it to be an enthusiast car, which only a lucky few choose to own.

my biggest gripe with the genesis, and why in the end I think a Z is a better car, even without the looks, power, etc.... I think the Genesis is trying too hard to be what is already out. The points they copied from various other car manufacturers are so blatant... its trying to be G37 too much. Hey Hyundai why don't you make something original, same as what Nissan and Infiniti have been doing, they are not trying to look like a BMW or whoever their competition is. The Z doesn't look like anything else on the road, I can't say that for the Gen.

And for those that got a Gen because it's cheap for a RWD sports car... cheap and sports car should not be in the same sentence imho.

WORD. seriously, i dont have too much of a problem with the Genesis coupe in particular. But the one thing that really grinds my gears about hyundai is that the copy everyone elses designs. I quite honestly don't understand how they don't get sued by other companies for overtly taking design elements from their cars

shadoquad · 06-25-2010, 11:03 AM

I test drove the Genny against the Z.

In the end, I think the Z looks and performs better. But I liked the Genny, and if Hyundai refine its build and performance further, its future is very bright indeed!

Cmike2780 · 06-25-2010, 11:59 AM

I think the competition would be good for both companies. Maybe we'll see a 450Z variant of the VK45DE from the Super GT 350Z or a 560Z variant of the VK56DE GTR-GT1. Chances are we won't anytime soon. The market for each, including the Genesis would be narrow at best. I don't see it as a viable option for Hyundai. It would eat up V6 sales if priced too low and would be entering upmarket competition if priced too high, I'm guessing 38k to 40k. The body style would also be similar to a car half the price. That's a huge undertaking that few companies have solved without having negative connotations. I like the design of the Genesis, but to me, it doesn't have the look of
$40k sports car.

Design wise:
$22k-Wow, Sweet Looking, Awesome
$32k-Nice, but could be better
$40k-Eh....

wishihadnav · 06-25-2010, 01:23 PM

^^yeah i have to agree...Z's are cheap..haha.

tbonesteak · 06-25-2010, 03:03 PM

uh....toxik. i am not even gonna respond to your post because i honestly cannot grasp where to start. If you see miatas as a 18 yo's first car, then you are missing out brother. Miatas are one of the most respected tuner cars in the import scene. The revolution that it started, the potential it has, what people make it do, etc. Let's just say that without the Miata, the s2000 would not have been made and the z3 roadster probably won't have been made as well. I am willing to bet you that the percentage of Miata owners who make their "cheap" cars into track monsters engulf the percentage of Z owners who even take their cars to the track. The miata is a true enthusaist car and noone experienced in the field will deny that.

toxik · 06-25-2010, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tbonesteak

uh....toxik. i am not even gonna respond to your post because i honestly cannot grasp where to start. If you see miatas as a 18 yo's first car, then you are missing out brother. Miatas are one of the most respected tuner cars in the import scene. The revolution that it started, the potential it has, what people make it do, etc. Let's just say that without the Miata, the s2000 would not have been made and the z3 roadster probably won't have been made as well. I am willing to bet you that the percentage of Miata owners who make their "cheap" cars into track monsters engulf the percentage of Z owners who even take their cars to the track. The miata is a true enthusaist car and noone experienced in the field will deny that.

I still don't understand your gripe with my statement, why is a miata hard to drive? Everything I know about a miata says that it handles like a dream and is a perky little car. Why is it a bad first car to get if you are into sports car at a young age? Again like I said before I even googled exactly that and found ton of sites that posted similar discussion as a miata being a great first car to get. Please enlighten me, I'm not trying to be hostile at all... I'm just as much of a car enthusiast as the next guy.

shadoquad · 06-25-2010, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by toxik

I still don't understand your gripe with my statement, why is a miata hard to drive? Everything I know about a miata says that it handles like a dream and is a perky little car. Why is it a bad first car to get if you are into sports car at a young age? Again like I said before I even googled exactly that and found ton of sites that posted similar discussion as a miata being a great first car to get. Please enlighten me, I'm not trying to be hostile at all... I'm just as much of a car enthusiast as the next guy.

I could be wrong, but I think that he's referring to the fact that it's not only a great first car, but there are more uses for older miatas as inexpensive track toys for later in life.

Modshack · 06-26-2010, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by toxik

I'm just as much of a car enthusiast as the next guy.

If you belittle Miatas than you are NOT a true enthusiast. I've had 3 (and 8 Porsches), and even a first year 116hp example is about as much fun as you can have on 2 wheels. Sounds like you're hung up on "image".....Car bigots are all over the internet and will love to validate your misconceptions...

tbonesteak · 06-26-2010, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Modshack

If you belittle Miatas than you are NOT a true enthusiast. I've had 3 (and 8 Porsches), and even a first year 116hp example is about as much fun as you can have on 2 wheels. Sounds like you're hung up on "image".....Car bigots are all over the internet and will love to validate your misconceptions...

What he said. He's into image and nothing more. "Sports cars shouldn't be cheap".

06-25-2010, 11:59 AM	#9 (permalink)
Cmike2780 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 5,059 Drives: slowwww Rep Power: 29	I think the competition would be good for both companies. Maybe we'll see a 450Z variant of the VK45DE from the Super GT 350Z or a 560Z variant of the VK56DE GTR-GT1. Chances are we won't anytime soon. The market for each, including the Genesis would be narrow at best. I don't see it as a viable option for Hyundai. It would eat up V6 sales if priced too low and would be entering upmarket competition if priced too high, I'm guessing 38k to 40k. The body style would also be similar to a car half the price. That's a huge undertaking that few companies have solved without having negative connotations. I like the design of the Genesis, but to me, it doesn't have the look of $40k sports car. Design wise: $22k-Wow, Sweet Looking, Awesome $32k-Nice, but could be better $40k-Eh.... __________________ [09][MB][6-Spd MT][Touring][Stillen Gen III][K&N][Borla CBE][Evo-R] [ArchitTEK Photography]

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shadow2k Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Overland Park, Kansas Posts: 143 Drives: 09 PG 370z 6MT Rep Power: 16	Every other car I looked at before buying the Z had 4 seats. I'm not the only guy that didn't cross cars off his list because they had a back seat. The GC was actually a car I looked at briefly. Unfortunately it is ugly both inside and out to me, so it got crossed off pretty quick. But remember, it is not expensive, it has power, and it has a superb warranty. Those three things will draw more people in than the Z's heritage. Your rep will only get you so far. It would not surprise me in the least to see a 429hp GC outsell the 370z in the states unless Nissan bumped the power output.

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shadoquad A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: . Posts: 42,608 Drives: . Rep Power: 3886	I test drove the Genny against the Z. In the end, I think the Z looks and performs better. But I liked the Genny, and if Hyundai refine its build and performance further, its future is very bright indeed!

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tbonesteak Track Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Socal Posts: 914 Drives: MY09 MB 6MT Rep Power: 376	uh....toxik. i am not even gonna respond to your post because i honestly cannot grasp where to start. If you see miatas as a 18 yo's first car, then you are missing out brother. Miatas are one of the most respected tuner cars in the import scene. The revolution that it started, the potential it has, what people make it do, etc. Let's just say that without the Miata, the s2000 would not have been made and the z3 roadster probably won't have been made as well. I am willing to bet you that the percentage of Miata owners who make their "cheap" cars into track monsters engulf the percentage of Z owners who even take their cars to the track. The miata is a true enthusaist car and noone experienced in the field will deny that.