This is NOT to knock the Hyundai, but 429 horsepower? I wouldn't think the Hyundai has the heft/suspension to handle that kind of power. Is it all engine with nothing to hold it on the road? Put that kind of power in a Z, a Porsche, a Mustang, etc., and I can see it, but in a little Hyundai? Unless there is something about the 429 HP Hyundai that I don't know, the 429 HP doesn't make sense in a car like that.

I remember reading about the 1970 Challenger with a 426 Hemi, and the car was very prone to fish-tailing/spinning out, where it's larger counterparts did not have the problem because of the difference in body style.

429 in this Hyundai makes me think it's going to be unstable.

But, this is just a thought as I have never driven one, nor read up on the cars stats.

If they do come out with a 429hp sports car,they should design it from the ground up instead of an after thought to fill a segment. I would like to see what Hyundai can do with more time and r&d. It seemed like they rushed the Genesis Coupe to market to keep the steam going. If they go through with it, it's a win for car enthusiast. More competition is gonna produce better sports cars and always has.

they didnt rush it. it was in development since about 2004 i remember first reading about their rwd coupe development.

but since it is a Hyundai, they didnt make it a pure sports car they wanted it to appeal to a broader audience, thus they had to make it more day to day. So either they took a regular coupe and made it sportier, or took a sports car and make it more everyday. Either way their intention then was a broader market for sales. They still have growing to do and so they can't do a specialized market car just yet.

P.S for everyone knocking the Hyundais they are currently #1 in owner loyalty.. yup.. more return Hyundai buyers than any other brand.

Right, Cmike! Even BETTER!!!

I'm not knocking Hyundai. I'm just saying if your gonna slap V8 429hp motor in a two door, it better be considered a true sports car. Sports cars will always be a niche market and can't satisfy a broad market because of the inherent impracticality associated.

Hyundai seems to push price points above anything else, I want to see what they can do without limitations. Honda, Toyota & Nissan took decades to grow, Hyundai is late in the game and sprinting to catch up, which is why there is so much talk.

^^well i guess we'll have to see about that. Hopefully it's legit.

no i understand that part. Once they prove themselves in the everyday broader market, they can branch out into niche's.

but I disagree that 429 "has" to be a true sports car.

Camaro, Mustang, challenger etc. Big muscle cars. So hyundai has a few options to go with.

Of course I would like to see a proper sports car. They easily have the capability and the partners in the world to help them, they are just not ready for it. And for that im actually glad that they are not trying right now, as it may discourage them from trying at a later point.

If you belittle Miatas than you are NOT a true enthusiast. I've had 3 (and 8 Porsches), and even a first year 116hp example is about as much fun as you can have on 2 wheels. Sounds like you're hung up on "image".....Car bigots are all over the internet and will love to validate your misconceptions...

That's a good point.

All that you are seeing from Hyundai today is in preparation for a new "luxury" brand in 4-5 years when the second generation of Genesis Sedan and Coupes come along.

I wouldn't expect the V8 to make it in this current generation.

I want to see them put 429hp in their late 80's Excell. Now that would be funny. It would be the next faux mitsu evolution.

Yeah Hyundai is going to drop a V8 into a car when nearly every other brand is looking at hybrid and/or diesel sportscars. Even German manufacturers (M & AMG-series) are moving from V8's to twin turbo V6's. Wishful thinking for future Hyundai owners...

Hyundai has rarely been known for innovation, and the Genesis Coupe is certainly not a high mover in the sense they could care less about MPG.

What he said. He's into image and nothing more. "Sports cars shouldn't be cheap".

Apparently the rumor going around for Dodge is that the new 2011 SRT8 is going to have 480 horsepower and 460 lb ft of torque.

If all of these manufacturers are 'upgrading' their cars then Nissan should too. Unless you are jealous that your 2009/2010 Z is not getting the same treatment.

With all the oil leaking out into the Gulf and the fact that the Obama administration is now the majority stock holder in the US auto companies I seriously doubt increased HP is going to be a priority for the foreseeable future. :)

wat if they did 480hp using electric motor assist?

If there is a market and they can legally import it, it will come.

:iagree: After the last few years, where Congress has informed us that people want to buy crappy little econo-boxes instead of performance vehicles, GM sure did sell some Camaros, and Ford looks poised to sell a lot of new Mustangs.

So :p

so you guys are saying tesla sabotaged the oil rig?

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Kenchan knows too much! Who've you been talking to?

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the Genesis' looks arent too far removed from the Tiburon, huge turnoff for me. Add as much power as you want, it'll be poorly balanced and overweight. As much as I hate to admit it, the new Mustang is looking more impressive every day.

Funny thing is, in this thread alone, there are a lot of members here that think the Z is lambo status...:tup:

In 2007 the Hyundai Sonata was the best selling car in Korea.

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The Gov bashed GM for selling big SUV's and Trucks whilst they should be selling more hybrids/small cars. News flash...the only automobiles GM was actually making a profit on were the big SUV's and Trucks. Until very recently, Toyota didn't make a penny on the Prius, it's a status symbol only. The Gov is pushing GM to sell thing it doesn't make profit on and get rid of things it's customers are willing to pay enough for to make a profit. That's the difference between the government and private industry running a business. "Profit" is just an evil capitalist pig word to the government. :D

Lots of people would want to buy heroin, but the government doesn't want us to because it is dangerous and causes people to become junkies that commit crimes like theft to pay for their fix. just because something can turn a profit doesn't mean it should be sold. People don't go out and buy big engine sports cars because they're practical, they are for fun. Sports cars will never make up enough of the market to make any impact on emissions. SUV's however, make up a huge part of the market, and curtailing their sale and thus, their emissions is important. YES peopel will buy big SUV's and therefore companies like GM would be able to turn a profit on them, but they arent good for the environment. If you're not hauling anything or going off road, you are really just driving a glorified minivan.

Gov't has every right to push GM to sell what they want it to because the gov't basically own's GM. If GM were capable of making cars that people wanted, they wouldn't have done so poorly and needed to be bailed out in the first place. They milked the SUV fad for all it was worth instead of R&D for the new generation of cars, and they suffer for it now.

I don't like the SUV-heroin metaphor. I don't completely disagree with the point, but it's not as if hybrids and electrics are the fruit and veggies in the automotive diet. They're still harming the environment.

edit: not going to derail this any further into a political debate.

i guess heroin isn't a good comparison. McDonalds would be a better example. My point is just that just because you have someone who wants to buy something, doesn't mean that its ethical to sell it. I also hate when sports cars are compared to SUV's in terms of emissions. it shouldn't fall upon ferari to make their cars more fuel efficient. It should fall upon the mass auto manufacturers.

Hyundia, even if they made this car, would still probably be overall a more fuel efficient fleet than GM.

So, diffeerent rules for different makers when it suits your purpose.....got it.



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By the time this thing comes out, some of us (like me lol) will have 600hp in our 370's.
(Come on Top Secret...we're waiting!)

I don't think there is a point in having a friendly competition when someone says my car is modded therefore it is better. Guy B might as well say "guess what? My Camaro is putting out 800 horsepower and also reduced weight!"

Stock specifications is where the fun and debate are at.

:iagree: Imagine if they sold what the people wanted to buy :eek:

But wait............. we need them to tell us what we want, don't we? :rolleyes:

Umm..I didnt say that to debate, I'm actually waiting on Top Secret. lol
Right now, my Z is ok, I need to modify it more so it suits me better. At any given time, even with a vehicle like the 370z which is not so popular in Japan, I have a rather wide range of options for quality JDM upgrades.

That is were the Z wins over the Genesis in my book. If I purchase a Genesis, even with 428hp stock, I'll have to sacrifice the things that truly make me happy (even more so than the car itself)...the fantastic upgrades from Top Secret, Amuse, Mines, Jun Mechanic, and all the other awesome Japanese tuners who are the reason why i'm here in the first place :tup:

you cant blame the government for that. infact blame GM. BLame the unions for making it hard for GM to make a regular small car and turn a profit on it. Blame GM for not making a product good enough where people would want to pay a little more, thus earning them a profit.

Its always easy to say "government fault... yep them. everything their fault etc etc"

and p.s.. they do make a profit off the regular stuff, just not as big of a margin.

I'll thank the unions for my 40 hr work weeks. overtime for anything over 40. extensive training programs. paid vacations. safety programs etc.. and lets not forget, the car manufacturers signed a collective bargaining agreement with the unions. The unions are not the problem here. People agreeing to work for peanuts in other factories make it appear that way.

I'm not blaming the Government for GM's past mistakes, just the future ones! :D Seriously, union compensaion over the years plus the recession is what's killed GM. You can't compete in the $12K car market if your labor costs are $1500 more than your competition's. That let's your competion have an extra $1500 to improve their product. You have to go up to more expensive SUV's, etc because it reduces the percentage of cost due to labor per vehicle. Past compensation practices weakened GM's ability to survive the recession.

That all works as long as everyone is bound by the same rules. What craps the system is when overseas competition came in and could spend less on labor and more on product development and production per unit. The outcome is inevitable.

You don't want a guy with a 10th grade education driving a forklift making $85,000 a year? What's wrong with you :rolleyes: ;)

yea damn overseas competition. i would never buy a car made overseas!


but really, its true. if other companies are not bound by the same rules because they are under governmental regulations, its hard to compete. However, ultimately, a car made by higher paid, more educated people should be more well made. unfortunately, that isn't necessarily true.