cant pull the trigger...

Nick911sc · 06-13-2010, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan37TZ

Hmmm... you're 20. Maybe you shouldn't be looking at $35,000-40,000 cars?

20 year old in a high powered rwd 2 seater expensive sports car? = insurance raping.

+ higher maintenance cost and fuel consumption.

I think your parents are very smart trying to talk you out of it. I even think a 3.8 Genesis is a bit much.

Have you ever thought about something along the lines of a new Civic Si? Those are fanstastic fun cars, FWD so it won't necessarily bite your head off if you make a mistake.

I understand it may be dangerous or even stupid from a money perspective for OP to get the Z. But it's his choice and he didn't come here to be lectured otherwise. So lets stick with the Z or Genesis conversation.

TBH I don't really know if many people know or care but I'm 22 and I have no problem driving or affording my Z.

Modshack · 06-13-2010, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TheShoura

Uhh..

forgive me for being so naive, but it was mentioned to me once upon a time that the Z had massive brake fade..

..

Only if you're gonna string (30) 100 to Zero stops together back to back like those morons at Car ad Driver..

frost · 06-13-2010, 03:53 PM

I had a new vette at 25, don't pretend to know the financial stability of others.

Pushing_Tin · 06-13-2010, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by frost

OMG, that's awesome!!

Dan37TZ · 06-13-2010, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by frost

I had a new vette at 25, don't pretend to know the financial stability of others.

The OP started a thread, stating his parents think he is stupid for wanting to buy something that "EXPENSIVE" and that was intially just a Genesis coupe.

If the OP is driving a Versa and at 20 years old, parents think a Hyundai is expensive. I think it's fair to assume that another $12,000 stretch for a loaded 370Z will be even a more financial burden on the OP and his parents.

That's great you got to drive a $50,000 car at 25 years old, you must be super ballin'.

frost · 06-13-2010, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan37TZ

The OP started a thread, stating his parents think he is stupid for wanting to buy something that "EXPENSIVE" and that was intially just a Genesis coupe.

If the OP is driving a Versa and at 20 years old, parents think a Hyundai is expensive. I think it's fair to assume that another $12,000 stretch for a loaded 370Z will be even a more financial burden on the OP and his parents.

That's great you got to drive a $50,000 car at 25 years old, you must be super ballin'.

I'm sure people thought I was stupid for buying an expensive car, doesn't mean I couldn't afford it.

Trips · 06-13-2010, 04:03 PM

Just a warning!

Dan37TZ · 06-13-2010, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by frost

I'm sure people thought I was stupid for buying an expensive car, doesn't mean I couldn't afford it.

I guess you missed the part where the OP stated his parents didn't want to help him buy the car.

Here let me quote it for you.

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my parents don't even want to help me buying something that expensive

frost · 06-13-2010, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan37TZ

I guess you missed the part where the OP stated his parents didn't want to help him buy the car.

Here let me quote it for you.

Did you see my previous comment, tosser? Or do I need to quote it for you, smartass? Just because his parents don't like the idea doesn't mean he can't afford it.

Trips · 06-13-2010, 04:08 PM

WarmAndSCSI · 06-13-2010, 04:12 PM

Don't take offense to any of this, but if you're driving your dad's Versa, does that mean you're living at home w/ your parents? If so, it would be a terrible decision to buy a Z at this point. Think about when you move out and you're no longer saving money on rent, food, utilities, etc. And when you're no longer on their family auto insurance plan... You wouldn't be able to afford it any more unless your income literally doubled the same time you moved out.

My brand new Z costs significantly more to insure than my 08 Evo X. And that's even with my wife listed as the primary driver on it. That shows you just how expensive these cars are to insure versus another already-expensive-to-insure sports sedan.

But nobody should doubt or bash this guy. I bought a brand new Evo X with options right after I turned 21. Then a little more than a year later, I bought my new Z. Some people do very well when they're young! Just be careful stepping up to a powerful RWD car like the 370Z from a slow FWD car. It's all about discipline; have fun with the Z when it's safe (if you get it), but keep it safe otherwise. This will keep you from getting tempted to drive like a moron when it could get you hurt. After all, there's no reason to buy a sports coupe unless you're going to have a little fun w/ it!

TheShoura · 06-13-2010, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by frost

I had a new vette at 25, don't pretend to know the financial stability of others.

Thank you, this is unbelievably true

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan37TZ

The OP started a thread, stating his parents think he is stupid for wanting to buy something that "EXPENSIVE" and that was intially just a Genesis coupe.

If the OP is driving a Versa and at 20 years old, parents think a Hyundai is expensive. I think it's fair to assume that another $12,000 stretch for a loaded 370Z will be even a more financial burden on the OP and his parents.

That's great you got to drive a $50,000 car at 25 years old, you must be super ballin'.

What you don't know is my dad bought me the versa as my first car, brand new at 17.. My dad got it because he wanted cheap, thinking i would wreck it

he still thinks im gonna wreck every car i touch - i guess he just doesn't think i have a brain? or something..

Quote:

Originally Posted by frost

I'm sure people thought I was stupid for buying an expensive car, doesn't mean I couldn't afford it.

i no rite?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan37TZ

I guess you missed the part where the OP stated his parents didn't want to help him buy the car.

Here let me quote it for you.

yes, exactly

I can afford the car, I pull about 3 grand a month, i have no responsibilities, and my living expenses are less than 1k/month. my current car has no payments, gas is like $30/2wks
and i do live on my own, i moved out of parents house a while back lol

like someone else said, ITT: old ppl mad that i can get the car sooner rather than later

Im buying a new car, im just making sure im going to be 100% satisfied with what i buy

daleks · 06-13-2010, 04:13 PM

Every car forum has a thread (or series of threads) where people try to convince other members that they're either too young or not financially stable enough to own the forum's target car. Why bother with this argument? It says far more about your opinion of yourself than how you feel about the car or the individual you're attempting to advise. The 370Z is far from an exclusive car so there will be plenty of people whom you don't want to be associated with that will purchase the car. One can only imagine what goes on on a Ferrari or Veyron forum.

"You're only a 25 year old millionaire? I'm a billionaire! Only billionaires over the age of 40 can buy this car..."

That said, the brakes issue rarely if ever manifests itself. The only reason why the brake fade became a forum meme is Car & Driver wrecked a Nismo 370Z due to brake fade. However, their post-crash analysis showed the Nismo 370Z has the same brake fade as a Nismo 350Z, which has a Brembo braking system. See the following articles.

Z Meets Wall: We Investigate Why the NISMO Z's Brakes Failed at Lightning Lap - Feature - Auto Reviews - Car and Driver
The Power to Stop - Tech Stuff - Auto Reviews - Car and Driver

The latter article shows the updated car fares little better than the old car, so I don't see why the idea of the brake fade limit on the 370Z being where it is is such a surprise. The takeaway is should you take your car onto the track be sure to upgrade your brake fluid and install a set of proper brake pads.

frost · 06-13-2010, 04:14 PM

TheShoura, you may or may not be able to afford the car. I have no idea. But don't take the opinion of a bunch of assclowns on a message board (myself included). There are much better websites dedicated to helping you figure out how much you should spend on a vehicle for your particular situation.

Cheers.

SkyZ · 06-13-2010, 04:15 PM

all the guys ragging on op for bein 20, im 20 as well. i make decent income, i can afford this car, end of story. for all you know hes doin pretty well financially and wants to get himself a nice ride.

about your questions, id say the oil temp thing and the brake thing is over hyped. normal people on normal roads will NOT require an oil temp, even on canyon runs (general info from being on this forum), if you go on a track however like you mentioned you WILL require an oil cooler because of the long periods of time at WOT and because ur pushing a car not built to drive on the track (pretty much most cars aren't built for this, not even like caymans so its reasonable). As for the brakes, i've only really heard braking problems from like very dedicated track racers (rcz, travisjb) although i would also recommend buying a pair of track pads (if you have the spare cash) and swapping them at the track. Its not recommended that you daily drive track pads, not to mention you're needlessly wearing them out.

Other than these two points nissan has done an admirable job with this sports car for the masses

As for synchro-rev, i find it incredibly useful. i only turn it off when i feel like practicing or doing heel-toe myself (to be more involved). but daily driving in traffic, its a very good tool, makes the drive much smoother and more enjoyable.

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WarmAndSCSI A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: SLC, UT Posts: 1,671 Drives: '08 Evo X \| '10 370Z Rep Power: 18	Don't take offense to any of this, but if you're driving your dad's Versa, does that mean you're living at home w/ your parents? If so, it would be a terrible decision to buy a Z at this point. Think about when you move out and you're no longer saving money on rent, food, utilities, etc. And when you're no longer on their family auto insurance plan... You wouldn't be able to afford it any more unless your income literally doubled the same time you moved out. My brand new Z costs significantly more to insure than my 08 Evo X. And that's even with my wife listed as the primary driver on it. That shows you just how expensive these cars are to insure versus another already-expensive-to-insure sports sedan. But nobody should doubt or bash this guy. I bought a brand new Evo X with options right after I turned 21. Then a little more than a year later, I bought my new Z. Some people do very well when they're young! Just be careful stepping up to a powerful RWD car like the 370Z from a slow FWD car. It's all about discipline; have fun with the Z when it's safe (if you get it), but keep it safe otherwise. This will keep you from getting tempted to drive like a moron when it could get you hurt. After all, there's no reason to buy a sports coupe unless you're going to have a little fun w/ it!

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daleks Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: St. Louis Posts: 424 Drives: 2011 Evo X MR Rep Power: 15	Every car forum has a thread (or series of threads) where people try to convince other members that they're either too young or not financially stable enough to own the forum's target car. Why bother with this argument? It says far more about your opinion of yourself than how you feel about the car or the individual you're attempting to advise. The 370Z is far from an exclusive car so there will be plenty of people whom you don't want to be associated with that will purchase the car. One can only imagine what goes on on a Ferrari or Veyron forum. "You're only a 25 year old millionaire? I'm a billionaire! Only billionaires over the age of 40 can buy this car..." That said, the brakes issue rarely if ever manifests itself. The only reason why the brake fade became a forum meme is Car & Driver wrecked a Nismo 370Z due to brake fade. However, their post-crash analysis showed the Nismo 370Z has the same brake fade as a Nismo 350Z, which has a Brembo braking system. See the following articles. Z Meets Wall: We Investigate Why the NISMO Z's Brakes Failed at Lightning Lap - Feature - Auto Reviews - Car and Driver The Power to Stop - Tech Stuff - Auto Reviews - Car and Driver The latter article shows the updated car fares little better than the old car, so I don't see why the idea of the brake fade limit on the 370Z being where it is is such a surprise. The takeaway is should you take your car onto the track be sure to upgrade your brake fluid and install a set of proper brake pads.

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SkyZ Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 382 Drives: 09 370z PG M6 Rep Power: 16	all the guys ragging on op for bein 20, im 20 as well. i make decent income, i can afford this car, end of story. for all you know hes doin pretty well financially and wants to get himself a nice ride. about your questions, id say the oil temp thing and the brake thing is over hyped. normal people on normal roads will NOT require an oil temp, even on canyon runs (general info from being on this forum), if you go on a track however like you mentioned you WILL require an oil cooler because of the long periods of time at WOT and because ur pushing a car not built to drive on the track (pretty much most cars aren't built for this, not even like caymans so its reasonable). As for the brakes, i've only really heard braking problems from like very dedicated track racers (rcz, travisjb) although i would also recommend buying a pair of track pads (if you have the spare cash) and swapping them at the track. Its not recommended that you daily drive track pads, not to mention you're needlessly wearing them out. Other than these two points nissan has done an admirable job with this sports car for the masses As for synchro-rev, i find it incredibly useful. i only turn it off when i feel like practicing or doing heel-toe myself (to be more involved). but daily driving in traffic, its a very good tool, makes the drive much smoother and more enjoyable.