Deciding between s2000 and 370z.

Zeto · 06-03-2010, 03:18 PM

I wouldn't say a hard-on but some people fail to see the potential the S2000 has. Now if you ask me which I would choose I think that's self explantory

InTheZone · 06-03-2010, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Red370

ok, im not debating that it made the power, however, that engine will not hold that power for more than a week, its a dyno queen and thats it, the F20C engine has cast rods, they will not stand up to that kind of force, its not physically possible. You can show me videos all day long, I want to see that car do 5 back to back passes on the strip and see how it fares, my guess, destroyed block.

so people that have 10k+ miles on their S2000(AP1's and AP2's) with a turbo setup running 400-500whp as a DD can only do that for a week, otherwise it would be broken? ok

s2000 engines have forged internals, which includes the rods. The biggest problem has to do with compression, not the rod snapping because of too much "force'.

And whoever compared a civic to a 370, then said it was the same as comparing the s2000 to the 370, wow...

Some people, not saying you Red, need to relax and stop getting worked up for no reason.

I won't add more since some are stubborn and choose not to accept what was proven.

DarkZide · 06-03-2010, 05:47 PM

This reminds me of the 4-5 civic hatch owners around here that all built B18's of doom. The internet told them XYZ setup and tune would make 480-500whp, they all made in the low 300s and blew up within 6 weeks, on built motors to boot.

mrcardio · 06-03-2010, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by InTheZone

so people that have 10k+ miles on their S2000(AP1's and AP2's) with a turbo setup running 400-500whp as a DD can only do that for a week, otherwise it would be broken? ok

s2000 engines have forged internals, which includes the rods. The biggest problem has to do with compression, not the rod snapping because of too much "force'.

This true, why some try to claim otherwise is pure ignorance. The F22C is a very stout motor.

tbonesteak · 06-03-2010, 08:15 PM

haha this thread is a circular conversation. Let's just agree to disagree people.

Red370 · 06-03-2010, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tbonesteak

haha this thread is a circular conversation. Let's just agree to disagree people.

to disagree.

kielbasa16 · 06-03-2010, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeto

Tell that to my friend who's been boosted for over a year and has put about 20,000 miles in his S. Would you like evidence?

Is he running the same boost during DD as during his dyno run? If so, then power to the S2000. Granted 20K miles isnt a ton either... If something goes wrong within 60K then I would still blame it on how much boost hes running, all subjective though. My comment was just in regards to your response to one sentence supporting your argument versus the 5 saying youre wrong. I dont have nearly enough knowledge or experience to argue, I test drove the S2K once and loved it haha

Brazilbro · 06-03-2010, 11:30 PM

ya ya the f22 motor is nice.. but when both motors are built all things being the same displacement will win.. 2.2L vs 3.7L.. Ive seen Sound Performance making over 1200WHP with the VQ I haven't seen a F22 make more then 1000. Both are nice cars. But facts are facts. Displacement always wins.

Oh ya, S2ks stock tranny and rear end aren't good past 400whp..

370Z_Fan · 06-03-2010, 11:57 PM

Like the old saying goes, "there's no replacement for displacement."

Brazilbro · 06-04-2010, 12:01 AM

Now as for handling go's.. take a look at the Redline time attack results and you will see alot of s2k's in the top 5... Problem is they are always behide 350z's and 370z's... facts are facts.. They are fun and have a great close ratio tranny. But they are not better then the 370 at all.. well maybe in one area .. PRICE.

Chriz · 06-04-2010, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Brazilbro

Now as for handling go's.. take a look at the Redline time attack results and you will see alot of s2k's in the top 5... Problem is they are always behide 350z's and 370z's... facts are facts.. They are fun and have a great close ratio tranny. But they are not better then the 370 at all.. well maybe in one area .. PRICE.

You cant really say a car has better handling just because of faster laptimes. There are other factors such as straight line speed, and obviously the 370z will be faster in that catagory.
Now everyone should understand that obviously nobody on this forum thinks the s2000 is better than the 370z, otherwise they would have bought the s2000.

Boost_lee · 06-04-2010, 02:56 AM

2 completely different cars IMO...

I will say that LOVE the s2k transmission, such a wonderful feel. The car is too small for me though, both inside and out. If you are looking for something small, nimble, and is rev-happy, for the price of a nice used unit, its a great car. I just feel that due to its age, the appearance doesn't do much for me and its gotten a little boring in my tastes. Oh and every s2000 should have a hardtop - no questions asked

TacoZ · 06-04-2010, 03:44 AM

Don't believe the hype over on S2Ki. I would only listen to the opinions of people who own both an S2K and a 370Z. I have both. The Z wins hands down. The people who say S2K have probably never driven a Z.

Monev · 06-19-2010, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Red370

The F20 will NOT make that kind of power on a stock block, i dont care what resource this is coming from. Reliably 400 MAYBE, and thats a very big MAYBE. Reliability and peak power go hand in hand, a VQ37 could make 800whp, reliably? nope.

A clown that does coke and doesnt know what he's talking about.
I made 520rwhp on a stock block at 18psi. Made passes at the track and the block didn't let go. These engines are made to handle abuse. And no, i'm not hte only one making such numbers. So 400 reliably maybe? know your facts before you look like a clown. Hold up. You are a clown

_ace_ · 06-26-2011, 05:41 PM

I owned an 06 S2000 for about 4 years before buying the Z.

For power, right now, s2000 builds in the 400-500whp range are very reliable. It took about 8 years to get there. The S2000 was built in 1999, and it's had all that time for people to figure out the builds and get them working. The S is also more nimble. It has a lot less rotational inertia due to better mass management--not just the weight difference. It was extremely well engineered. The top goes down in about 6 seconds at a stoplight--no tonneau cover is needed.

The S2000 is a more raw drivers car. The 370z is a much better DD. The Z actually has torque in stock form. I feel the Z has better grip assuming tires are equal. The Nismo turns heads here while the S didn't, and I like the size of the Z better. The Z is a much faster car in nearly any situation.

Both are great cars. The S was ahead of it's time and legendary in it's day, but that was admittedly about 15 years ago. It's still a great car, and I really enjoyed mine. And I'm glad I upgraded to the Z.

06-03-2010, 11:30 PM	#98 (permalink)
Brazilbro A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 1,131 Drives: Juke/240Z Rep Power: 848	ya ya the f22 motor is nice.. but when both motors are built all things being the same displacement will win.. 2.2L vs 3.7L.. Ive seen Sound Performance making over 1200WHP with the VQ I haven't seen a F22 make more then 1000. Both are nice cars. But facts are facts. Displacement always wins. Oh ya, S2ks stock tranny and rear end aren't good past 400whp.. __________________ Juke AWD/240Z SR20 08 Evo 10(Stage 2) SOLD Fastest Sport 6spd 370Z 11.8 @126.5SOLD Last edited by Brazilbro; 06-03-2010 at 11:33 PM.

06-04-2010, 12:01 AM	#100 (permalink)
Brazilbro A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 1,131 Drives: Juke/240Z Rep Power: 848	Now as for handling go's.. take a look at the Redline time attack results and you will see alot of s2k's in the top 5... Problem is they are always behide 350z's and 370z's... facts are facts.. They are fun and have a great close ratio tranny. But they are not better then the 370 at all.. well maybe in one area .. PRICE. __________________ Juke AWD/240Z SR20 08 Evo 10(Stage 2) SOLD Fastest Sport 6spd 370Z 11.8 @126.5SOLD

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Boost_lee A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SATX Posts: 2,813 Drives: 09 370Z TT 6MT Rep Power: 29	2 completely different cars IMO... I will say that LOVE the s2k transmission, such a wonderful feel. The car is too small for me though, both inside and out. If you are looking for something small, nimble, and is rev-happy, for the price of a nice used unit, its a great car. I just feel that due to its age, the appearance doesn't do much for me and its gotten a little boring in my tastes. Oh and every s2000 should have a hardtop - no questions asked

06-04-2010, 03:44 AM	#103 (permalink)
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06-26-2011, 05:41 PM	#105 (permalink)
_ace_ Base Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: USA Posts: 140 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 14	I owned an 06 S2000 for about 4 years before buying the Z. For power, right now, s2000 builds in the 400-500whp range are very reliable. It took about 8 years to get there. The S2000 was built in 1999, and it's had all that time for people to figure out the builds and get them working. The S is also more nimble. It has a lot less rotational inertia due to better mass management--not just the weight difference. It was extremely well engineered. The top goes down in about 6 seconds at a stoplight--no tonneau cover is needed. The S2000 is a more raw drivers car. The 370z is a much better DD. The Z actually has torque in stock form. I feel the Z has better grip assuming tires are equal. The Nismo turns heads here while the S didn't, and I like the size of the Z better. The Z is a much faster car in nearly any situation. Both are great cars. The S was ahead of it's time and legendary in it's day, but that was admittedly about 15 years ago. It's still a great car, and I really enjoyed mine. And I'm glad I upgraded to the Z.