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UNKNOWN_370 10-15-2011 02:21 PM

I say forget either and buy a used porsche cayman S and blow all of us out the water! Lol

Red__Zed 10-15-2011 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 1360521)
I have always loved the S2000. My buddy bought one new. It held its value better than the 350Z, as I priced them in 2006-07. I liked the way it drove too. Great handler.

Then a couple months ago I saw one in action at an autocross class. It took last place. The driver seemed alright but his times were so poor that my love of the S2000 waned to like. My time in the Z was 54 seconds, his 1:08. I realize this is anecdotal, but this is how impressions can be made.

The Z has grunt over S2000, but to say it is a "one trick pony", is not doing justice to it's handling.

the s2000 runs a class up from the z, so your story most likely boils down to "crappy driver"

FL 4Motion 10-15-2011 04:51 PM

I think the OP should buy the S2K, then after a year or so, sell it and buy a Z and then after another year or so, sell the Z and get.....a 5.0 'stang! :happydance:

Red__Zed 10-15-2011 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 1360662)
I think the OP should buy the S2K, then after a year or so, sell it and buy a Z and then after another year or so, sell the Z and get.....a 5.0 'stang! :happydance:

you're skipping the part where he hands 30 grand or so to inline pro:ugh2:

FL 4Motion 10-15-2011 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1360666)
you're skipping the part where he hands 30 grand or so to inline pro:ugh2:

pfft, details, details...

DarkZide 10-15-2011 05:19 PM

Obviously SOME people that post on here have more money than sense and are way to "me too" for their own good.

b1adesofcha0s 10-15-2011 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 1360677)
pfft, details, details...

:roflpuke2:

Red__Zed 10-15-2011 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 1360677)
pfft, details, details...

:icon18:

Davey 10-15-2011 06:20 PM

I like my Z better than I liked my S2000, so if you're me, you should get the 370Z.

If you're not me, you'll have to just figure it out yourself. I suggest driving them.

Wow this thread is old. :rolleyes:

11Thumper 10-16-2011 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Davey (Post 1360736)
I like my Z better than I liked my S2000, so if you're me, you should get the 370Z.

If you're not me, you'll have to just figure it out yourself. I suggest driving them.

Wow this thread is old. :rolleyes:

Yeah, I kind of agree. Although I think part of that is the Z being new. My S is just about to have her 6th birthday. October 30th! :tiphat:

Mt Tam I am 10-16-2011 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1360661)
the s2000 runs a class up from the z, so your story most likely boils down to "crappy driver"

It is always a "crappy driver". He seemed better than many that day but I'd like to think I could have done better with his beautiful car.

A class up so does that mean it ..... What does this entail if I may ask please.

Red__Zed 10-16-2011 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 1361135)
It is always a "crappy driver". He seemed better than many that day but I'd like to think I could have done better with his beautiful car.

A class up so does that mean it ..... What does this entail if I may ask please.

When you run autocross, the cars are divided into classes, of roughly, theoretically equal performance. The 370z was originally put into B stock, alongside cars like the EVO and the S2000. Because no one was able to be competitive with a SP z, it was classed down to C stock, with cars like the 350z, 300zx, base z3, sky and solstice (non-GXP). The nismo was kept up in B stock, because apparently being able to run obscenely fat tires carries a small advantage:roflpuke2:

Davey 10-16-2011 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 1361135)

A class up so does that mean it ..... What does this entail if I may ask please.

The 370Z is a C-stock car, the S2000 is a B-stock car. It just means that for a typical autocross track the S2000 is considered a faster class of car.

But, as you saw, a better driver could put down shorter times in a slower car, though.

Red__Zed 10-16-2011 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Davey (Post 1361203)
The 370Z is a C-stock car, the S2000 is a B-stock car. It just means that for a typical autocross track the S2000 is considered a faster class of car.

But, as you saw, a better driver could put down shorter times in a slower car, though.

yep. autocross is generally 70% driver, 30% tires until you get into the more competitive groups.

b1adesofcha0s 10-16-2011 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1361205)
yep. autocross is generally 70% driver, 30% tires until you get into the more competitive groups.

Sucks for me then, I don't have the driving skill (yet) to make up for my tires :P

cossie1600 10-16-2011 01:02 PM

In NASA, the s2000 is 1+ class below the z

Mt Tam I am 10-17-2011 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1361201)
The nismo was kept up in B stock, because apparently being able to run obscenely fat tires carries a small advantage:roflpuke2:



Thanks for your answer. The Nismo part confuses me. Is it really in the B class?

Red__Zed 10-17-2011 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 1362767)
Thanks for your answer. The Nismo part confuses me. Is it really in the B class?

Yes. The ability to run huge tires on stock rims helps a bunch. I see guys running 305s up front on their nismos, competing with s2ks running 6.5" fronts....


Of course, autox isn't everything, and any z will eat an s on a road course....

Mt Tam I am 10-17-2011 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1362791)
Yes. The ability to run huge tires on stock rims helps a bunch. I see guys running 305s up front on their nismos, competing with s2ks running 6.5" fronts....


Of course, autox isn't everything, and any z will eat an s on a road course....

Thanks again. Sorry to sound so ignorant but why can the nismo run fatter tires than the rest of us?

I saw a fellow selling a set of sport wheels. I assume I would want his rears on the front of mine to run a square set up or would I want the fronts on rear or something else all together?

Red__Zed 10-17-2011 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 1362809)
Thanks again. Sorry to sound so ignorant but why can the nismo run fatter tires than the rest of us?

I saw a fellow selling a set of sport wheels. I assume I would want his rears on the front of mine to run a square set up or would I want the fronts on rear or something else all together?

Stock class lets you run whatever you can fit on stock size rims...nismo has an extra half inch of rim to work with over the base z (and as much as 3" over other contenders). Tires are absolutely huge in determining how fast you can go.


If it was me, I'd be running rears all around. They're very aggressive up front, but a 10" front rim makes the car absolutely nasty. With good tires, the grip limits are unbelievably high--will probably leave your balls as the limit, rather than grip :p

Red__Zed 11-10-2011 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazilbro (Post 562899)
ya ya the f22 motor is nice.. but when both motors are built all things being the same displacement will win.. 2.2L vs 3.7L.. Ive seen Sound Performance making over 1200WHP with the VQ I haven't seen a F22 make more then 1000. Both are nice cars. But facts are facts. Displacement always wins.

Oh ya, S2ks stock tranny and rear end aren't good past 400whp..

I ran the stock trans at 700whp with no issues.

11Thumper 11-10-2011 01:53 PM

A bit of an update for me (relevant to this topic).

This past weekend I sold my '05 S2000. I bought it new and put about 50k miles on it. It was babied (looks and drives like new) so I got top dollar for it (above retail value), hence why I sold it. It was a good deal for the buyer too because it still had warranty and was never modified. Not a single accident either.

Now a few days later I find myself filled with regret. I love my Z so don't get me wrong, but I miss the S a lot. I ride sport bikes but only on weekends. The S was like riding a sportbike during the week. Truly an amazing experience!

So now I'm hunting for a used S2000. My budget is fairly low because I want to build more of a track car with it this time but there will be one sitting in my garage again soon.

I'll have my Z for a long time, but I'll probably always have an S. :driving:

Red__Zed 11-10-2011 06:12 PM

^the S always kinda feels like "the one that got away" whenever you sell it. Just a truly special car. I plan to buy another one once things settle down a little for me.

11Thumper 11-10-2011 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1401750)
^the S always kinda feels like "the one that got away" whenever you sell it. Just a truly special car. I plan to buy another one once things settle down a little for me.

:iagree:

Great to get some extra cash, sad to see the car go. If I could reverse the decision I would, but I'm going to try an AP1 this time around.

Red__Zed 11-10-2011 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 11Thumper (Post 1401799)
:iagree:

Great to get some extra cash, sad to see the car go. If I could reverse the decision I would, but I'm going to try an AP1 this time around.

can't go wrong with an ap1

m4a1mustang 11-10-2011 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1401801)
can't go wrong with an ap1

I want an ap1 for the fun but I want an ap2 because I think the insides are nicer.

11Thumper 11-10-2011 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1401804)
I want an ap1 for the fun but I want an ap2 because I think the insides are nicer.

Pretty similar. The AP2 is a little dressier inside IMO. It's also a little wider because the door panels (interior pieces) are not as thick. The shifter is smoother and the rear end a little quieter.

I'm looking for a 2002-2003 with average miles, good condition, etc. I'll probably just throw a set of coil overs on the car, 17's that are not too expensive and some good rubber. As for brakes some cooling ducts, slotted rotors, good brake pads and fluid and it should be a good car for track events. If it was my DD then AP2 for sure. However, the Z is my DD now.

m4a1mustang 11-10-2011 06:59 PM

I hate you guys, always making me spend money. :icon17:

I was thinking about supercharging the 5.0 and daily driving an s2k. I'm very practical. :rolleyes:

Red__Zed 12-10-2011 12:03 PM

sometimes i read this thread to remind myself why i don't believe anything i see on the internet

Nismo89 12-10-2011 01:06 PM

to me when people reference the 370 as being "all power" i just shake my head because although it does have some power behind its 3.7 liter v6, its a car whose repuatation is built more on the design, the heritage with handling exc....

as to the Mustang whose history is more geared for the "power" aspect. after all.... the mustang is referred to as "old school american muscle"


go with the 370. you wont be disappointed.

Fastfatdude 12-10-2011 09:26 PM

i do miss my S2000...

11Thumper 12-11-2011 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Fastfatdude (Post 1444711)
i do miss my S2000...

We need a support group... :hello:

Fastfatdude 12-11-2011 04:56 AM

Life does have to go on... Am glad the z is here to ease the yearning in the heart... Z has been good to me... :)

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Originally Posted by 11Thumper (Post 1444862)
We need a support group... :hello:


Notsud 13 12-11-2011 01:56 PM

i love my 370z, but some of you guys are just hardcore 370z fanboys and couldnt be bothered to be more open minded to realize the potential of the s2000. there are a few bolton turbo kits for the s2000 that puts out 400+whp reliably. call churches automotive and ask them how many reliably built daily driven s2000s they have tuned.

i love my 370z, but you have to give credit when credit is due. forget the high hp numbers, the s2000 is still a track beast. just to point one more thing out, the s2000 is definitely a grown mans car, not a kids car.

600whp daily driven s2000
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FuhIGvu2qg

451whp SC s2000
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKZV6gLuCuk

FYI, most bolt-on turbo kits for the s2000 goes for around 5-6k MSRP

http://www.google.com/url?source=img...QUBveAJ_yu9PXA

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagam...ap/flush2k.jpg

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagam...20Shots/13.jpg

Vertigo 12-27-2011 05:09 PM

I've owned both.

I've had an AP1 S2k and an AP2 S2k and now have a 370. The S2k is MUCH easier to drive IMO, but has basically no TQ. You also have to rev to 4K from a stop if you want to get any enthusiam off the line.

The S2K handles better and has a nice, leather interior as a standard. The soft top is not durable and is prone to ripping over time.

For me, the S was more fun to drive, even though it's slower.
370 is slightly more practical, plus the hatchback and double DIN location are important for audiophiles like me.



Just my 2 cents.

urdeliveryguy 12-27-2011 09:26 PM

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buddy of mine had an s2k.. i loved it. woulda loved it more if i could fit in it. i would of even consider'd to buy one if i could. im to tall. also he had trans issues with his prolly from beating on it. but i can say there very safe cars.

side note i took the Z on a road trip with the girl and a dbag in his s2k tried to race me, he looked silly. his head was like a foot over the windshield. lookin like he barely fit in it.

haitech 12-28-2011 12:02 AM

no leg room in the s2k

11Thumper 12-28-2011 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by haitech (Post 1465352)
no leg room in the s2k

BS. I'm 6'2" and no issues in the 6 years I owned mine.

Red__Zed 12-28-2011 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by haitech (Post 1465352)
no leg room in the s2k

s2000 has over an inch MORE legroom than the 370:ugh2:

haitech 12-28-2011 03:37 PM

In the s2k I kept banging my knees but in the Z I don't have a problem. :confused:


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