Went to a chevy dealership today...
 

And I drove a 2010 Camaro 2SS.

Then I drove a Corvette 1LT.

Corvette = win.

I'm SERIOUSLY thinking of trading in my Z (only way I could do it) - am I nuts?

I know many of you here traded a Vette in for a Z and do not regret the purchase....why? This car (to me) outclasses the Z in performance and has style to boot. The Camaro...just seemed pretty average. Big engine, not a lot of personality. I liked the exhaust bubbling on decel though...lol

One thing though, seems there's a really STRONG dealership for corvettes somewhere - I don't remember where it was mentioned but for internet-based sales, it was mentioned that the prices can't be beat.

The other thing is that this dealership said they are selling at MSRP. $3K cashback, which about 2/3rd is being used to make up the difference between what I owe, and what they can give me for the Z.

Thoughts/advice?

corvette grand sport ftw

A lot of Z owners came from C6 vettes or older model vettes? I couldn't imagine taking a downgrade like that unless I was struggling financially. I would be happy with even the base C6 corvette; it still blows the doors off the Z. Not saying the Z is a bad car or anything though. I wonder what insurance is like however...

<3 c6 vettes... z06's are especially fun to drive........... with traction control off :)

Yeah, I'll be checking on that tomorrow.

I checked on the Camaro, and oddly, it's $77 cheaper than the Z / 6 mo.

I'm also looing over the "deal" they are giving me...I'm not quite sure it's a good one.

They are giving me a trade allowance of $31750 for the z. (Black on Black Sport/Touring 7AT, 3300 miles, Fast Intentions cat-back, Stillen G3, 20% tint...9.95 condition). The Cash price on a bare essentials C6 @ $49880 (which is MSRP + delivery).

$289 processing, $10 Filing Fee, differences on owe/trade in = $49255.00.

Given my fuzzy math, I should tell them "give it to me and take my Z, for $45K" - and it be about right given Edmunds pricing...

Thoughts?

It's your call. I don't think I'd trade my Z in for a base camaro SS but for a C6 (Z51), yes I would. I live two blocks from WORLD'S Largest Corvette dealer. At any given time, there are at least 50-100 corvettes on the lot. I drive by them 8 times a day. I must say, Z06s are very tempting.

I drove F-body Camaros for a long time. It's all fun when new, then things start rattling, parts start going bad etc. Heck, I was afraid to push my Camaro because every time I did, I broke something :(. Something went wrong or a rattle started etc. This is just my :twocents:. Go for a 'vette :tup:

Get TT's for Z :)

Not with a 7AT :(

Sure you can!

:crying:

Id keep the Z over a base C6...the grand sport id consider..the Z06 id trade it in.

Not if I intend to drive it anywhere after having an afternoon of fun with it.

I don't like automatics anyway. I got this because I thought I could adapt, and end up liking it, and not get myself in trouble...

I found out I can still get myself in trouble, and that it's more of an annoyance than massaging a clutch in traffic.

A true Z fanatic? Are you going through a mid-life crisis?

It's a default "title" - I never changed it. I think it's due to my post count.


The answer to your other question is yes...I think...at least...I hope.

Oh yeah... I see now. WTH man.... there's your problem right there! Become a super special member like me, hang out with other super special members in the super special member section and

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Then you most certainly are following suit with soooooo many men before you. I mean is there some sort of rule book that I don't know about that says that when a dude gets divorced or freaks out, he must run out and get a damn Corvette?

Just see it for what it is. A bad *** car that has that terrible stigma attached.

As an enthusiast I say life is too short. Get the Vette if you like it. Seriously, why not?

Life is too short, you can afford a 50k car, you must be older or very successful in yours 20s. Go for it !!

Or have two household incomes and no kids and a very supportive significant other :)

That said, the part I'm having the most trouble "finding" the funds for, is TT&L. It might be a deal breaker. I can do it 6 different ways, and one way will work, another will put things in the read for a day or two. I feel certain that it can be done, and that I'm overshooting TT&L. I think for the Z, it was around $1480. For my truck it was $838. Truck cost about half as much as the Z. Given the trend it'll be abour $1850-$1900.

Does anyone know if you don't drive it, if you have to pay TT&L? lol...

That and I'm reconsidering on the color. The OCD in me does not like black. But then again, I have a boatload of Zaino that I've never used, a Porter Cable 7424XP that just arrived...and well...yeah...why have that crap if I won't use it, right?

me and my dad got a C6 back in 2004 like right when they came out.. i drove it for about a year and a half its was pretty cool... loaded with NAV Z51 but was it an auto ( the 4 speed at that) so i dunno.. right after that i got my nismo 350 and had alot more fun with that car. now the newer ones are better with the LS3 and even the auto is better a 6speed with paddle so i might like them better now but to me i guess just because i had one over 5 years ago the body style is just so old news.. if i had 45K to spend or whatever.. i would take a 40th anni or nismo 370 Z over a base C6 and pocket the difference.

Do what makes you happy, pure and simple. Z's are nice, corvettes are nicer. If the numbers work I say why not.

Fuckin' 430+ HP is hard to say no to...

Damn.... if you are having trouble coming up with the TT&L, then don't do it. That's a sign that you are stretching too much for a car. Plus they will be coming out with a remodel soon. At least wait til they come out with spy photos to see if you rather have the new generation corvette. Until then, I say enjoy the Z.

I agree 100%, save your$ then go for the new body style. This style they have now sucks ***.

check kerbeck.com. I believe that's the pricing you can get. msrp + incentive is way too expensive for the vette.

Do what makes you happy, but if you are having to stretch to cover TT&L I think it's probably not a good decision, at least right now.

TT&L is around 2K (at least that's what I'm budgetting for) - 2K out of pocket is more than I'd like to spend just about anything - I had the same "problem" when I bought our Civic, the Z, my truck...I hate paying for TT&L, but it's unavoidable...short of not titling it...which means not driving it...

As for the deal itself, I think what they are doing is inflating the Z's value over what they would normally give, instead of dropping the price on the vette. Personally, I'd rather they not, since a lower price on the vehicle means less TT&L.

Truer words were never spoken. I also note that Corvettes are everywhere, not much exclusivity. I also note that most Vette owners are 60-75 years old.

GM makes a big deal (as does Ford) about highway mileage numbers for the Vette (and Ford with the new Mustang GT). In the real world, however, expect about 12-13mpg (combined) with a big V-8. Don't believe me? Look at Car & Driver's fuel economy ratings on their road tests.

So...when gasoline is again $4/gallon, you will be crying in your beer that you gave up your fuel-efficient 6-cylinder Nissan. And when the Vette's crappy interior and shitty seats lose their new-car luster....

Go for what makes you happy! Without going over your head financially.

Real world, I get around 20MPG...plus, given that I didn't drive the Z much, I likely won't drive the Corvette much. I put 3300 miles on the Z on the year I've had it.

That's not a whole lot of miles...a Corvette would probably be a little less, I imagine. So, gas prices aren't that big of a concern.

My beef with the Z mostly comes down to that I chose the 7AT over the 6MT - I wanted a 6MT, but couldn't get one, and took a "better deal" from the dealership. I also wanted platinum...but again, they were of course telling me that if I had to order it from another dealer or from Japan, that there'll be charges associated with it. More than likely, had I stuck to my guns, I wouldn't be considering anything else.

But...having driven the corvette, it's a damn fine car. Even though it is a base model, I'm not that worried about it.

The only thing about this specific car that I'm 50/50 on, is the color. Looks amazing in black, but, given what I go through with the Z (also black), I think my OCD will find a 6th gear...lol

I've had cheap cars all my life - the Z is the most expensive car I've had. It has a lot of plastic inside....but I find the seats in the corvette, and the feeling of more room, better.

Maybe I'm seeing through rose-colored glasses...but I will say the ride in the Z is definately sharper on bumps...that was clear to me.

Well the MPG you see from Car & Driver and other magazine tester’s is a result of constant flogging of the vehicle. It's the same with pretty much any car they test. The Vette gets commendable MPG because of it's great power to weight ratio but of course you're going to get **** MPG if you drive like a mad man everywhere just like any other vehicle.

Older folks drive vettes? So what, why let stereotypes push you away from having a really nice sports car? And even though the design is a bit old it still looks fantastic in my opinion and I would think most people think the same if you happen to be worried about what others think. The only thing I’d be worry about is the insurance; I hear it’s quite high for vettes.

Just curious. Have you considered getting a very-slightly-used vette somewhere? May bring that price tag down a bump. I'm personally of the mind that I like brand new cars better, but if you can find one with, say, 5k miles on it, that would definitely bring the price closer.

I just got a quote from my insurance agent...

My insurance will go up a whole $4.22 every 6mo over the Z.

lol!

[QUOTE=kannibul;553973]I just got a quote from my insurance agent...

My insurance will go up a whole $4.22 every 6mo over the Z.

lol![/QUOTE

Wow that wouldn't be an issue then.

I laughed when my agent told me - I said I'm making a difficult decision, and you couldn't make it easier by making it a lot more or a lot less?

She laughed as well, and said, well I could make it higher, if that helps. :icon14:

FWIW, I purchased my 09 Z06 (now traded) in March 09 for $13K under MSRP. Not sure what the current market, but deals can still be had.

Don't pay MSRP for the vette. Some dealers are giving them away. Go here: Corvette C6 - C1 Reviews, Performance, Parts For Sale - CorvetteForum.com and look at the forum dealers. I know a guy who got a 4LT for less than that 1LT. If if was me... I'd go at least 2LT. 1LT is missing a few airbags :O Also, mag suspension>>>> Z51 (personal experience as well as performance testing).

Ive seen the 2LT for 42K on USAA and that is not talking about the trade in. Thats 5K under invoice with the incentives and 8,800k below MSRP. Im sure you can get that even without going thru USAA as they are still hurting in sales and money. I would talk that price before talking the trade in.

42K for a 2lt does make things tempting.

My buddy has a C6 Z06. VERY NICE. I contiplated a Z06 before I pitted the Exige against the Z. I am almost done with my mods on the Z. Naturally the Z is not as fast in a straight line, but I was looking for a great looking and fun car. With my mods, I love my Z much more than my buddies Z06 (he does also).

In the end, do what makes you feel good and right without killing yourself financially. You will not be going wrong with either choice IMO.

Please don't get the Camaro. I don't think it's worth it. The car is fugly and has no sex appeal to it.

imo the design was ok when it was fresh. Now that my region is saturated with them, the look has worn thin on me. I test drove it against the Z before purchase. Loved the sound and feel of acceleration. Hated the "big boat" feel of it. Also, the interior trim of this particular brand new model was peeling from the dash. That's right, already falling apart.

Don't get me wrong, I could have bought the absolute base Camaro and modded the crap out of it for what I spent on the Z. But it just didn't feel right.