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Originally Posted by ImportConvert It probably does. Performance doesn't just mean all-out. It can also mean how well a car does what it was designed to do. For instance, maybe

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Old 08-27-2010, 11:17 AM   #1 (permalink)
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It probably does. Performance doesn't just mean all-out. It can also mean how well a car does what it was designed to do. For instance, maybe the 370Z doesn't grind gears when cold like cars that have the TR6060 transmission do? Ergo, performing better.

I don't think it means they think it is faster.
I didn't say just faster, I said "outperforms". The vette will dominate the Z on any track or any straight line race of any distance you can name (with the possible exception of an autoX course in your local shopping mall parking lot). I love the Z but am not going to redefine the meaning of what a sports car is so my favorite car can "win". What's next? The Z has better performance because our calipers are a prettier color? The vette handles the same as the Z, out-mucles it by over 100 hp, AND is lighter. It's simply physics. Now, you can make a case about interiors, or "feel" or driving experience, or value, but you can't reasonably say a stock Z outperforms a stock vette.
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It probably does. Performance doesn't just mean all-out. It can also mean how well a car does what it was designed to do. For instance, maybe the 370Z doesn't grind gears when cold like cars that have the TR6060 transmission do? Ergo, performing better.

I don't think it means they think it is faster.
The Vette will blow the doors off the 370!
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My old Camaro SS LS1 engine destroys the v6 in the Z, I do miss the engine, but that's the least important thing to me. The Z clutch sucks too, as some have mentioned. Overall, I prefer the handling, interior quality, and refinement which makes the Z a better value than the vette. The vette is a stomping cool car - even though there are way too many of them on the road, but would be a bit of a downgrade except for the engine. I thought I wanted a vette, but my next car would probably be a GTR instead, which has the engine and the refinement to equal the Italian offerings, half the price.
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My old Camaro SS LS1 engine destroys the v6 in the Z, I do miss the engine, but that's the least important thing to me. The Z clutch sucks too, as some have mentioned. Overall, I prefer the handling, interior quality, and refinement which makes the Z a better value than the vette. The vette is a stomping cool car - even though there are way too many of them on the road, but would be a bit of a downgrade except for the engine. I thought I wanted a vette, but my next car would probably be a GTR instead, which has the engine and the refinement to equal the Italian offerings, half the price.
I agree the Z's clutch is an on/off switch with no travel, but stock/stock, I think the LS1 and the 370Z motor are about equal given that the Z is lighter.

When you start modding, throw that out the window, but for a stock car vs. stock car, the Z does fine.

I remember racing a 350Z that had dynoed 265whp and I SLOWLY put 2 cars on him 60-125 or so. The 370 is pushing a bit more than 265, and would probably have been DEAD even with my WS6.

The Z is not scary quick like a Z06, but it is fast enough to get away from you, and to be entertaining.

This discussion of horsepower reminds me of deer hunters discussing caliber. Back in the day, a .30-06 was all you needed for darn near anything in the US. Now, some would have you belive that you need a .338 Lapua just to take down a little mule deer. horsepower is the same. You will get used to whatever you buy, and it will feel "slow". The difference is, when you buy something junky, it will nag and nag and nag at you. If you have a nice car that is well-built, it will just feel slow but you will still smile when you see it in your garage/driveway because you take pride in that it doesn't rattle, etc. and hasn't broken every time you drive it.
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I went back and forth between the Z and 2010 Grand Sport Corvette for almost 3 months. The corvette's power is insane. But I have to agree there is a major difference in the quality between the 2. I spent months going over the corvette forums. On a regular basis Corvette owners complain about the seats deteriorating very quickly, horrible stock tires, targa tops that rattle, etc. The LS3 motor is really what holds the corvette above water. The LS3 is a beast of a motor but it's not the entire car.
In the end, I just couldn't pay that much money for a motor knowing the car with it has so many reported problems. I ended up with a Z and If I decide I need more power I can always use the money saved towards a TT.

I'm very happy with my decision!
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I went back and forth between the Z and 2010 Grand Sport Corvette for almost 3 months. The corvette's power is insane. But I have to agree there is a major difference in the quality between the 2. I spent months going over the corvette forums. On a regular basis Corvette owners complain about the seats deteriorating very quickly, horrible stock tires, targa tops that rattle, etc. The LS3 motor is really what holds the corvette above water. The LS3 is a beast of a motor but it's not the entire car.
In the end, I just couldn't pay that much money for a motor knowing the car with it has so many reported problems. I ended up with a Z and If I decide I need more power I can always use the money saved towards a TT.

I'm very happy with my decision!
I am waffling too. The LS3 is sick, the suspension is awesome.

The rest of the car is crap.

But the 370Z is about the same "speed" as my last car and I kinda wanted an upgrade in performace. Either way, I lean toward the Z because it won't piss me off like owning a car that breaks often would.
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I went back and forth between the Z and 2010 Grand Sport Corvette for almost 3 months. The corvette's power is insane. But I have to agree there is a major difference in the quality between the 2. I spent months going over the corvette forums. On a regular basis Corvette owners complain about the seats deteriorating very quickly, horrible stock tires, targa tops that rattle, etc. The LS3 motor is really what holds the corvette above water. The LS3 is a beast of a motor but it's not the entire car.
In the end, I just couldn't pay that much money for a motor knowing the car with it has so many reported problems. I ended up with a Z and If I decide I need more power I can always use the money saved towards a TT.

I'm very happy with my decision!
And have you seen how many problems forum members have talked about in here? I mean all cars have probs and the Z has had its share. Moving seats, oil consumption, rattles, squeaky suspension, trunk lid, clutch, air noise from the back, etc.. You find a car that doesnt have a prob let us know.
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And have you seen how many problems forum members have talked about in here? I mean all cars have probs and the Z has had its share. Moving seats, oil consumption, rattles, squeaky suspension, trunk lid, clutch, air noise from the back, etc.. You find a car that doesnt have a prob let us know.
The 'vette has all those issues and then some. Except a trunk lid. Corvette does not have a trunk except the C5 Z06. There are no perfect cars, but the 'vette is not as nice when it comes to build quality.

Moving seats: Please skip to 2:45
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKM2-BK4H98

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Oil consumption: We all know about LSX engines and oil.

Rattles: in a poll on the 'vette forum, about 50% of owners said their "removable top" rattled, even with GM's new re-designed latch.

Clutch/Trans: TR6060 transmissions grind on the 1-2 shift in many cars ('vette, GT500 ESPECIALLY, Camaro, Challenger, etc.).

Sqeaky suspension: Anything with bushings can do that.

Air noise: Ummm...this is covered under "sports car" imho.

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The 'vette has all those issues and then some. Except a trunk lid. Corvette does not have a trunk except the C5 Z06. There are no perfect cars, but the 'vette is not as nice when it comes to build quality.

Moving seats: Please skip to 2:45
YouTube - 2010 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport vs. 2010 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 - Car and Driver

Wow...

Oil consumption: We all know about LSX engines and oil.

Rattles: in a poll on the 'vette forum, about 50% of owners said their "removable top" rattled, even with GM's new re-designed latch.

Clutch/Trans: TR6060 transmissions grind on the 1-2 shift in many cars ('vette, GT500 ESPECIALLY, Camaro, Challenger, etc.).

Sqeaky suspension: Anything with bushings can do that.

Air noise: Ummm...this is covered under "sports car" imho.
just saying all cars have probs but get the Z its a good car.
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only speaking for myself i have owned 2 Z'S an 05 and now a 09.
and 2 vettes a c4 and a c5. the 09 z is light years ahead of the 05 z
same about the vette the c5 vastly improved over the c4.

both cars have little issues but its not fair to compare the two
its not apples to apples. one cost 20 to 25 grand more.

imo bang for the buck the z is the best value but that doesn't make it the best car. both cars will make strangers turn heads. i love the new z but if someone asked me to pick one at no charge i'd go for the vette, sorry. it's just a beast.
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It's older, not old! Corvettes should be for the more mature man!
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It's older, not old! Corvettes should be for the more mature man!
I think at our age we want a car that is styleish and fast and reliable without having to mod it. But Im only 21 yrs old....





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I am curious to see about the 2011 transmissions in the 'vettes.

Further, the sqeaks I did hear came from the tops in the 'vettes I rode in (C5 removable top/ C6 'vert). I am curious if the Z06 is quieter. I know it isn't much stiffer (25Hz vs. 24Hz for a coupe w/roof in place), but the roof being solid, it CAN'T sqeak.

If the Z06 is quieter and the 2011 Tremec solves the issue. Well, the note on a 1LZ Z06 vs. a 370Z loaded out is 1 shift a month overtime for me. I'd do it! Those are my gripes, transmission and rattles. Curious to see how they are addressed for '11.
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Further, the sqeaks I did hear came from the tops in the 'vettes ...........
My '76 has squeaky tops. When driving without them, the car is solid. Not bad for a +30 year old car. Well engineered? I think so for its day. Most squeaks and rattles can be isolated and fixed. I wouldn't make a decision on buying a car by what forums say unless there actually was a documented REAL problem. Heck, who would buy a 370Z by some of the "issues" posted in here?
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