Comparison the z to a vette

ImportConvert

Down to the 'glass, sorry. BTDT with GM, and I'm not doing it again, or pulling any punches. The 'vettes have issues (LS3 when driven hard, and LS7 when driven at all).

Yes, electrical issues are big on GM. My WS6 had its fair share. TC would randomly turn off (fixed by replacing TPS), fuel would randomly shut off (fixed by replacing ground mounting screw under driver-seat, was stripped from the factor, IAC would hang (fixed by replacing IAC), Driver power seat would randomly stop working (never fixed), the speakers sucked (got tired of replacing them, and no, I was sensible with the 7-way and volume), the fog-lamp housings were cracked b/c they were not designed to hold up to the heat of the running lights (I replaced turn-signals every time it rained), the rear-end blew up backing out of the shop one time (at idle, pinion-bearing spun), the A/C crapped out after 10K miles of horrible racket, the water-pump went at 75K miles (Dexcool gets another...), The window motors on both sides of the car went out.

I am sure I forgot something, but there was GM's top of the line "pony" car for 2001 for you. I lived next to a guy who had a 2000 and it randomly died at stop-lights, had all sorts of issues. Both of our cars were OEM stock. NO mods, right down to the paper air-filter.

Also, the 350Z is not the 370Z, from what I understand.

Now the good about my WS6....

It killed NSX's, it killed Challenger R/T's, it was dead = to a C5 on the highway, it killed mustang GT's (not the new 412bhp ones), it was within 1 yard of being dead-even with the new 426bhp Camaro SS 6-speeds (based on 2 Camaro SS's that on numerous runs I was dead-even with except for the 1 yard or so they got on the hit. Up to any speed you want to discuss.). It got 27.5 OBXSERVED mpg one time on a road-trip at 80, AC and sterio on.

Modshack

Ah...Seems you are stuck in the past here...The WS6 was a POS when new (as was its brother Camaro). How you can compare that to anything, I don't know. Sure GM made crap back then....Everybody knows that and these were two of the worst.

My '08 LS3 (built the 2nd day of the '08 production start) was faultless over the 14K miles I owned it. Cosmetically and mechanically. Mike here, and others can vouch for Corvette reliability. Hang around any car forum for a few years and it's essentially no different than here. A fair number of Whiners, anal retentive types, and conspiracy theorists hang out on all of them.. You need a good BS filter if you're gonna play on the intraweb...

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kielbasa16

Assuming that you owned the car from new 0-14k miles and didnt get it pre-owned, I wouldnt exactly claim 14k faultless miles to be an accomplishment. If I purchased a $15,000 car and something significant broke after 14k (~1 year national average) I would be pissed.

Ive only read the last 3 or 4 posts in this thread and have never owned these cars so Im not credible to comment on anything else, just sayin.

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Modshack

Don't worry...Lottsa guys here have strong "opinions" and have never owned the cars being discussed.

My buddy with an '06 vette and another with an '05 with 36K on it had no issues either...Just sayin..

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kielbasa16

My "opinion" wasnt a strong or abrasive one, just saying that no matter what car youre talking about 14k miles isnt a significantly long enough time to say it was built with quality. Im not saying your argument is wrong, Im saying that piece of evidence supporting it was weak. That being said, others have presented better evidence supporting both sides which boils down to my strong argument: that the most influential factor on any cars longevity is how the owner treats it.

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Modshack

I wasn't aiming that at you in particular. There are tons of Keyboard experts here that have weighed in with no experience other than what they've read on the internet..

I'd be happy to discuss any of the 57 cars I've owned, plus another 25 Honda Company cars..Major issues on all of them I can count on one hand, and yes I take good care of my cars....

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kielbasa16

Damn 57!? 1-57 where do you rank the 370?

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ImportConvert

The LS7 has known issues with snapping valves due to the oiling system, and the small contact patch of the valve-guide on the valve-stem. It over-heats and causes problems with guide tolerance on the exhaust side.

I have sat in a 370Z (now) and have sat in Z06's. The Z was much better made regarding interior quality and over-all "feel".

I am not a targa top fan, so the Z06 is the only one in the stable I would consider. ZR1 is slightly outside my budget.

280z/300zx

Don't know. We had a 01 Trans Am that had 112k on it. Aside from the window motors having been replaced once and showing signs again of needing to be done right before we got rid of it; the car was perfect. Ran strong as hell and never had any problems. Owned the car for 9 years.

Also had an 06 Vette that we owned for 3 years. Had 22k on it but never any problems. No gaps in body panels or pain issues. Actually the paint seemed better than my 370z.

I too had a stigma about domestics but these two cars really proved me wrong. Maybe we just got lucky or maybe not.

fullmonty

I wouldn't even count the power window motor going out. Its ultra common on that era pontiac. A friend of mine has 45,000 miles on his car and has replaced the power window motors 4 times.

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nuTinmuch

Summing up and ending this entire thread:

All cars have some sort of problem. If you are cross-shopping two and you truly do your research, you will find issues with literally every car out there. They are not perfect.

Seeing people say "well X had a problem with this car and X didn't have a problem with this car" is utterly silly. Just because one person has (or doesn't have) a problem doesn't mean you will be in the same situation.

Just buy a car based on how it feels to you and what you think -you- can handle. Do your own research and stop being a keyboard/magazine jockey who tattoos brand on their arm like a badge of honor.

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ImportConvert

The older generations (before GenY and GenX) are very brand-loyal people, as a rule. Some people will tattoo a brand name on their arm--literally. I am not subject to this mentality, however, and am loyal to what works. I have owned fords, GM's, and now am getting into imports. Everything about imports seems better to me, from interior, to service, to durability, everything. I drove a 370Z today and was blown away wiht hte feel of the car (except the clutch. Horrible)

ImportConvert

I had a '95 Trans AM that had 170K it. It ran great to, and aside from the previous owner blowing up the auto trans at 140K, and the heater core dying at 165K, it was great. It's why I bought the 01 WS6. GM is hit/miss. I don't like hit/miss. Japanese work ethic is so much better, and when people CARE about what they are doing, and have a good work environment, and seek employment for life, they are going to do a better job. It shows.