Our Z vs New Mustang 5.0

370Zsteve · 05-09-2010, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by kailua

Yes, I agree with you, however, I think the context of what I was trying to say has been lost.

The original post has to do with the fact that mnms370Z is having fleeting thoughts of maybe selling his Z and getting a Mustang with the new 5.0 V8.

Great, fabulous, whatever, I am not one to judge what vehicle he may be content with; he may really like the new Mustang, I don't know. Not for me to say, it's his decision.

I mentioned that I would love to have a Z with the new 5.6 V8 in the Infiniti M56. I then mentioned how I liked the instant torque of the 5.7 V8 in my Tundra. This is all for daily driving. I am not tracking a Tundra or the Z nor the GTI.

But of course the minute I mention that I moved on to a GTI, the fanboys are all over it, calling FAIL, like I just sold their first born to buy a burrito.

I am a pretty fickle guy so I usually hold on to my vehicles for a really short time and move on to something different. So just like the 09 370Z and the 09 STI and all the other vehicles I have owned, including the controversial GTI

in about 6 months I will be driving something else.

And yes, I know, depreciation, and cost, etc of selling so soon, but this is my hobby and like a lot of folks on the 370Z forum I have the means to change out vehicles frequently.

So the fanboys that I was referring to earlier, need to get over it and stop being such brand whores.

I think that anyone who has owned 3 different cars in one year needs his head examined. Something wrong with you, man. I'm not gonna say GTI=Fail cuz it's a good car for a DD, better than a Z imo since a DD should be able to bring home loot from a monthly Costco trip.

SmoothZ · 05-09-2010, 09:14 AM

True story: I had a 1990 300ZX. It came with 222 hp and 196 ft lbs of torque. I used to have fun with the Mustangs back in the day. I don't know if it was the driver or what, but most of the races weren't even close.

Now that we have the 3.7L, I'm not too worried. Drivers never change.

CBRich · 05-09-2010, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by pompey

wouldnt matter,i guarantee that our Z's would beat the mustang anyways

Let's not our fool ourselves. I love my Z and would never think to buy a Mustang. But the thing pulled a 4.3 0-60 in the latest Motor Trend and pulls .94 G on the skidpad. It's a beast and as mentioned earlier would take a stock 370 in any race that involves any sort of straight away.

Lug · 05-09-2010, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by CBRich

Let's not our fool ourselves. I love my Z and would never think to buy a Mustang. But the thing pulled a 4.3 0-60 in the latest Motor Trend and pulls .94 G on the skidpad. It's a beast and as mentioned earlier would take a stock 370 in any race that involves any sort of straight away.

This. The other thing is that the mustang matches the Z on braking with the Bremo package. This is really surprizing given it's weight. Track races are won at least as much on brakes as much as hp and handling and the stan delivers here as well. I'd still pick a Z over a stang, but it's certainly not because of performance capability, it's just likely a better built car with a better driver's experience. Know how some cars win in mag comparisons w/o winning in the numbers game? That's where the Stang puts the Z, kinda where the Z has always put a lot of other really expensive cars.

antennahead · 05-09-2010, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmoothZ

True story: I had a 1990 300ZX. It came with 222 hp and 196 ft lbs of torque. I used to have fun with the Mustangs back in the day. I don't know if it was the driver or what, but most of the races weren't even close.

Now that we have the 3.7L, I'm not too worried. Drivers never change.

Me too, 1990 300ZX, that funky gold color that was cool at the time........ charcoal leather!

SmoothZ · 05-09-2010, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by antennahead

Me too, 1990 300ZX, that funky gold color that was cool at the time........ charcoal leather!

I had the Glacier White Pearl 2+2 with the twill cloth seats. Sadly, most of my pics are gone but I do have one of the car in a frame hanging in my son's bedroom. It's a reminder to him of how cool dad can be.

C4talyst · 05-09-2010, 11:43 AM

Ugggh...I'm concerned with handling more than straightline speed...zero interest in a mustang.

Gunzero · 05-09-2010, 11:57 AM

Should have waited for this car... :/

CrownR426 · 05-09-2010, 12:05 PM

^ lmao

onekneedown · 05-09-2010, 12:15 PM

Buddy of mine has a 2009 Mustang. Similar power numbers as the 370z. Straight line we match for the most part. In the canyons, forget about it.
It also comes down to feel, I feel in touch with the Z, the soft ride and loose steering of the Mustang lessens the "sports car" experience. The always available torque is nice, but I like a high revving engine that responds to a quick downshift and awwaaaayy we go.

waaaasabi · 05-09-2010, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kailua

Yes, I agree with you, however, I think the context of what I was trying to say has been lost.

The original post has to do with the fact that mnms370Z is having fleeting thoughts of maybe selling his Z and getting a Mustang with the new 5.0 V8.

Great, fabulous, whatever, I am not one to judge what vehicle he may be content with; he may really like the new Mustang, I don't know. Not for me to say, it's his decision.

I mentioned that I would love to have a Z with the new 5.6 V8 in the Infiniti M56. I then mentioned how I liked the instant torque of the 5.7 V8 in my Tundra. This is all for daily driving. I am not tracking a Tundra or the Z nor the GTI.

But of course the minute I mention that I moved on to a GTI, the fanboys are all over it, calling FAIL, like I just sold their first born to buy a burrito.

I am a pretty fickle guy so I usually hold on to my vehicles for a really short time and move on to something different. So just like the 09 370Z and the 09 STI and all the other vehicles I have owned, including the controversial GTI

in about 6 months I will be driving something else.

And yes, I know, depreciation, and cost, etc of selling so soon, but this is my hobby and like a lot of folks on the 370Z forum I have the means to change out vehicles frequently.

So the fanboys that I was referring to earlier, need to get over it and stop being such brand whores.

Actually, the point that I took away from your earlier posts, and probably what other people understood to be the gist of your argument is this:
You sold your Z and you also like displacement and torque. Then you purchased a GTI, which is a FWD car. There is a fundamental conflict between your interest in torque and your choice of vehicle, not because of the vehicle itself, but because of its transmission layout. That's where the fail lies. I'm just pointing it out; not trying to invoke any negative sentiments about your new car.

Also, I think you're incorrect in assuming that we are a bunch of brand fanboys. No one is bashing the GTI as a car. It's an awesome looking car. I've never personally driven one, but I know its abilities have been lauded by the platitudes of many a car magazine editor.

Zsteve · 05-09-2010, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by waaaasabi

Actually, the point that I took away from your earlier posts, and probably what other people understood to be the gist of your argument is this:
You sold your Z and you also like displacement and torque. Then you purchased a GTI, which is a FWD car. There is a fundamental conflict between your interest in torque and your choice of vehicle, not because of the vehicle itself, but because of its transmission layout. That's where the fail lies. I'm just pointing it out; not trying to invoke any negative sentiments about your new car.

Also, I think you're incorrect in assuming that we are a bunch of brand fanboys. No one is bashing the GTI as a car. It's an awesome looking car. I've never personally driven one, but I know its abilities have been lauded by the platitudes of many a car magazine editor.

There is nothing wrong with tq and FWD, its really no difference than in a RWD. Enough tq makes both spin tires. A LSD will do wonders for both, the FWD will have less drivetrain loss than the RWD and after having basically the same engine in a 4 cyl car as the GTI I can say that I had 250+ hp and 300+ tq and the car was very quick. I did 5.5 sec 0 60s all day long. And when the turbo kicked in at 2500 rpms the tq was awesome to feel. It just lost its power in the upper rpms. And thats why I went to the Z for now. But I did love the MPG I got from my last car. Plus the car handled snow pretty good too.

SophiaZ · 05-09-2010, 01:03 PM

There's no chance you'd see me in a Mustang. I do, however, love the Mach-1's, but it's definitly not worth to trade in a Z. And why on EARTH do people always talk about hp? I don't know where yall are from but there is something called a "Speed Limit" in Jerzey. Not saying thats the only place to drive is on the streets, but I know I wouldn't be spending every day at the track just becuz I have a V8 Mustang..or car for that matter. The Z is enough of a car for me

Sith · 05-09-2010, 01:03 PM

Power- isn't everything! 370Z is more of a quality machine and image.

Lug · 05-09-2010, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by onekneedown

Buddy of mine has a 2009 Mustang. Similar power numbers as the 370z. Straight line we match for the most part. In the canyons, forget about it.
It also comes down to feel, I feel in touch with the Z, the soft ride and loose steering of the Mustang lessens the "sports car" experience. The always available torque is nice, but I like a high revving engine that responds to a quick downshift and awwaaaayy we go.

You are comparing their old apple to your new orange. The 2009 pulled something like .87 on the skidpad, not anywhere near what the 2010 and 2011 models do. They did a massive improvement in the suspention for the 2010 model and tweeked it a bit further in the 2011.

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SmoothZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Arrakis Posts: 7,952 Drives: giant sandworm Rep Power: 36	True story: I had a 1990 300ZX. It came with 222 hp and 196 ft lbs of torque. I used to have fun with the Mustangs back in the day. I don't know if it was the driver or what, but most of the races weren't even close. Now that we have the 3.7L, I'm not too worried. Drivers never change. __________________ "Once you go Asian, you never go Caucasian." "I talk to myself, and when I do that, I know I'm talking to an intelligent person."

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