Follow-up analysis to Car & Driver crashing Nismo 370Z at VIR

semtex

You may recall that C&D smacked a Nismo 370Z into the wall at VIR a few months ago and promised further analysis of the root cause. Here's the thread on the original accident: Car and Driver Crashes a Nismo 370Z

Here is C&D's follow-up:

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wishihadnav

dang im having trouble reading it..did they crash it again?..haha

phelan

so...everybody, time for a new front bumper! and for someone to design some rear brake ducts lol

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daleks

The back end on a Nismo already has slots in the rear bumper, which should create negative pressure behind the wheel well and pull cool air into the cavity. However, the front fender has no such slot. Hrm...

klubbheads

30-40 stops from 100-0 right after each other....??? Wtf are these guys smoking? The most demanding tracks in the world will not require 100-0 stops right after each other 30-40 times without a minute or so. Lower speed breaking and straits will be more than enough to cool the breaks in the process.

Raced a 335 recently "in a closed legal location" half way through the 10 mile race his breaks started to fade and mine weren't even smelling. Obviously he was harder on breaks to keep the pace going but it still doesn't explain the BS that this article is spitting out.

BTW yes my oil temp did go up to 260 3/4 of the run.

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Push370zzz

It was just to determine at what point they start to really fail

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klubbheads

From reading the whole thing it seemed like they were trying to justify why they crashed the nismo in the beginning. No modern car will all of a sudden not stop during a hard breaking. Before not stopping there is such thing as smoke, longer pedal travel, and longer stopping distances called "fading" which gradually build up during hard driving. They obviously ignored those signs and ended up crashing the car...

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thekinn

Interesting read - thanks for posting it

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ZKindaGuy

Yea but the problem is in order to justify their publishing of the magazine and possibly to point the finger away from themselves in terms of liability in light of the crash that occurred during the first test event, the author/editors wordsmith the story so that the testing and resulting data reads to sound as if its judgement applies as well to the overall safety, quality and driveability of the 370Z while driving under normal conditions.

There is in the way they chose to write this critique a very fine obscure line between truth and "yellow journalism" so they have backdoors to squirm through when necessary yet render an unjustified negative judgement upon the car and manufacturer.

And one has to consider this may be again another attempt to discredit foreign car makers in the court of American public opinion since the American car industry had to be bailed out. Whereas Toyota and Honda got fried by Congress and by the media, Nissan managed to escape the fire in the first time around.

I find it interesting the sole focus of the written review was only the braking system as if to vaguely lay down a veiled suggestion that somehow Nissan has the same quality problems as Toyota and Honda as recently identified and incessantly harped on by the media.

SoCal 370Z

Sorry, I do not buy that for one minute. Nissan has been notorious for dismissing issues through their "value-laden" tag lines. Example, Exhibit A: "The addition of an oil cooler would have raised the price of the car and potentially moved it out of the reach of some customers."

They sell the 370Z under the sports car category, but expect it to be driven like a Yugo as anything above is not considered regular usage or considered "race track" driven. Nissan needs to get real and cease hiding under corporate lawyer written veiled statements that are the epitome of "vague and ambiguous."

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Kyle@STILLEN

The question has been asked "when is one of the vendor's going to step up and begin developing a cooling kit for the brakes?"

We actually have been working on a few options.

1) Our front fascia. Yes, this is more elaborate and will change the exterior appearance of your car so it won't be for everyone, but we have created brake cooling ducts for the fascia. They will be on display next week at our open house event and will be launched soon.

2) I don't want to talk about our other option just yet as it is very unique to the aftermarket industry and no one else has anything like it so you'd better believe I'm going to keep it "hush hush." I can confidently say that it will be the best form of brake cooling hands down.

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ZKindaGuy

I think alot of folks here need to get real and finally come to the long and overdue undertanding with the fact that a "sports car" and a "race car" are entirely two different types of vehicles.

In addition folks here need to finally come to the understanding that the act of buying any car doesn't include making the car dealer or the manufacturer your personal indentured servant who will pay for everything to convert the car into something you think it should be meant to be.

kenchan

time for modshack to divert his intake duct to his brake duct.

370Zsteve

I say we push Stillen for a group buy on their new front fascia.

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