Crashing with VDC off

semtex

So I was thinking about the various posts we've seen from people who have wiped out after turning their VDC off and . . . well . . . I couldn't resist.



I intend this as light-hearted humor, btw. But I'll put my flame suit on just in case.

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frost

I believe this will be used in many more threads to come

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Jesse_Hunter

Excellent!

Trips

I drive with vdc off all the time whats the problem......

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Jeffblue

i understand the sentiment held towards those who turn off VDC and have no experience and crash. My question is does everyone who feels this is really dumb also think that any rwd car made before traction control was implemented is somehow a dangerous car that you need to be a professional to drive? or is it just b/c the newer cars like the Z have more power that makes them harder to control without VDC for the inexperienced driver.

theDreamer

It has to do with younger generations seem to posses less skill in driving a car, be it from multitasking (cellphones, videos, etc.) or from general lack of skill (poor drivers eduction).

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frost

I don't think newer cars have more HP, although their design probably lets us make better use of that HP.

Engine------------------Advertised----Rated----------True
------------------------HP @ RPM---- Torque@ RPM-- HP @ RPM

Buick 455 Stage 1-------360@5000----510@2800------420@5400
Camaro Z/28 302--------290@5800----290@4200------310@6200
Chevelle 396 L-78-------375@5600----415@3600------400@5600
Corvette 427 L-88-------430@5200----450@4400------480@6400
Mopar 340-4 bbl---------275@5000----340@3200------320@5600
Mopar 440-Magnum------375@4600----480@3200------410@5400
Mopar 440 Six-Pack------390@4700----490@3200------430@5600
Mopar 426 Street Hemi---425@5000----490@4000------470@6000
Mustang Boss 302--------290@5800----290@4300------310@6200
Ford 351-4 bbl Cleveland--300@5400----380@3400------340@5600
Mustang Boss 351--------330@5400----370@4000------360@6000
Mustang 428 Cobra-Jet---335@5200----440@3400------410@5600
Mustang Boss 429--------375@5200----450@3400------420@5600
Oldsmobile 455 W-30-----370@5300----500@3600------440@5600
Oldsmobile 350 W-31-----325@5400----360@3600------350@5800
Pontiac Ram Air 400------366@5100----445@3600------410@5600

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Trips

I think it's primarily inexperienced drivers that don't know that cars can bite back in the Ass if they're not careful, and also some experienced clowns that simply loose it.

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Zsteve

flame on!

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semtex

Personally, I learned to drive way before traction control, stability control, even ABS, were commonly available on cars. So I don't think it's dumb to turn off VDC. Rather, not learning basic car control and vehicle dynamics is what's dumb. But I think that says more about the sad state of driver education in this country than anything else. Truth be told, it's a bit of a double-edged sword. On one hand, if one is a relatively new driver and doesn't have experience with controlling powerful rwd cars, then one should probably leave VDC on. But on the other hand, if one doesn't turn it off from time to time, how is one to learn from the experience of having to apply opposite lock to tuck the tail back in, etc.? The best way to learn how to do something is by doing it, right?

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Jeffblue

i see what you mean. That's what i figured. I agree. I think its funny how people would rather be able to text and talk on the phone than be able to drive a stick. I think its ridiculous when people are like 'no way could i ever drive stick, but they can somehow text and drive. its funny also, most of those VDC off crashes are so illogical. 'let me turn off the VDC, and then drive the car harder than i ever have' makes no sense.

Jeffblue

yea definitely. If i were to turn off VDC, the first thing i would do would just see how the car handles under normal driving/in a place no one else or any obstacles are, not try and take a corner at 50 mph in a busy street.

frost

I have no reason to turn my VCD off day-to-day, because I'm just commuting, but I have no issues ever turning it off. In fact, in my F-bods and vettes, they sold "reverse modules" that plugged into the system. It made it so that the traction control was OFF when you started the car, and stayed off until YOU turned it on. That was pretty handy.

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dad

One important issue: What the car can do, and can not do, needs to be learned! Same goes for the driver.

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