Crashing with VDC off

dad · 04-18-2010, 04:16 PM

One important issue: What the car can do, and can not do, needs to be learned! Same goes for the driver.

40th370z · 04-19-2010, 01:25 PM

"This warranty does not cover damage, failures, or corrosion resulting from... Operating the vehicle with the Vehicle Dynamic Control (VDC off), except when rocking the vehicle when stuck in mud or snow..."

Read more: We Get the Scoop on Nissan's GT-R Warranty, Will it Be Too Late for Some Buyers? - Wide Open Throttle - Motor Trend Magazine

This is what they told GTR and Titan owners when the trannies started to grenade.Gotta luv the black box.

Jeffblue · 04-18-2010, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

Personally, I learned to drive way before traction control, stability control, even ABS, were commonly available on cars. So I don't think it's dumb to turn off VDC. Rather, not learning basic car control and vehicle dynamics is what's dumb. But I think that says more about the sad state of driver education in this country than anything else. Truth be told, it's a bit of a double-edged sword. On one hand, if one is a relatively new driver and doesn't have experience with controlling powerful rwd cars, then one should probably leave VDC on. But on the other hand, if one doesn't turn it off from time to time, how is one to learn from the experience of having to apply opposite lock to tuck the tail back in, etc.? The best way to learn how to do something is by doing it, right?

yea definitely. If i were to turn off VDC, the first thing i would do would just see how the car handles under normal driving/in a place no one else or any obstacles are, not try and take a corner at 50 mph in a busy street.

Zsteve · 04-18-2010, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

So I was thinking about the various posts we've seen from people who have wiped out after turning their VDC off and . . . well . . . I couldn't resist.

I intend this as light-hearted humor, btw. But I'll put my flame suit on just in case.

flame on!

Jeffblue · 04-18-2010, 04:13 PM

i see what you mean. That's what i figured. I agree. I think its funny how people would rather be able to text and talk on the phone than be able to drive a stick. I think its ridiculous when people are like 'no way could i ever drive stick, but they can somehow text and drive. its funny also, most of those VDC off crashes are so illogical. 'let me turn off the VDC, and then drive the car harder than i ever have' makes no sense.

Vegitto-kun · 04-18-2010, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

i see what you mean. That's what i figured. I agree. I think its funny how people would rather be able to text and talk on the phone than be able to drive a stick. I think its ridiculous when people are like 'no way could i ever drive stick, but they can somehow text and drive. its funny also, most of those VDC off crashes are so illogical. 'let me turn off the VDC, and then drive the car harder than i ever have' makes no sense.

exactly. driving stick isn't hard. even though I have an AT now

frost · 04-18-2010, 04:15 PM

I have no reason to turn my VCD off day-to-day, because I'm just commuting, but I have no issues ever turning it off. In fact, in my F-bods and vettes, they sold "reverse modules" that plugged into the system. It made it so that the traction control was OFF when you started the car, and stayed off until YOU turned it on. That was pretty handy.

antman22 · 04-18-2010, 06:57 PM

this is my first rwd high hp car, so i leave vdc on. i'll wait til i can get on a big empty parking lot or a high performance driving course before turning it off. i'd rather not end up like so many others that turned off vdc to have a little fun on the roads....

onekneedown · 04-18-2010, 08:08 PM

I think the VDC on/off discussions are interesting in that any safety device on any vehicle is only as good as the drivers using them. Some have suggested that turning off the VDC and then flooring the throttle through a turn will teach you a painful lesson.

However VDC will not prevent someone who is determined to push a car to the limit and beyond from doing damage to themselves or others.

it is ironic that the more improvements made to vehicles whether they are cars or motorcycles don't correlate to fewer accidents. It's because some people always think they can handle the limits before they have ever approached them.

For example, go to a motorcycle dealership and watch how many new riders want to grab a handful of throttle to "see what it will do" before they are even familiar with the characteristics of the bike or basic driving.

Then go to a high performance track day for bikes or cars and see how many people who measure performance in wheelies and burnouts get dusted by folks who actually take the time to learn vehicle dynamics, car control in an incremental fashion.

VDC on or off doesn't matter if you have disengaged your brain!!

PapoZalsa · 04-18-2010, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semtex

So I was thinking about the various posts we've seen from people who have wiped out after turning their VDC off and . . . well . . . I couldn't resist.

I intend this as light-hearted humor, btw. But I'll put my flame suit on just in case.

trent1331 · 04-18-2010, 11:55 PM

Let's not forget VDC is there for more than just saving your *** when you cant keep your foot off the throttle..

I had a run in with an icy overpass and it saved my *** via fishtailing mid-interstate, versus whatever would've happened should my VDC have been off. Probably the same outcome, honestly.

fullmonty · 04-19-2010, 07:20 AM

I was at a light next to a friend of mine who was driving his beat up Dodge Shadow, I figured it would be a good time to drive off the light with some spirt, not to race him or anything but get off with some grunt. VDC was on and it felt some wheel spin and I bogged down in the middle of the intersection while this Dodge puttered away. VDC also didn't allow me to get up my driveway with some light snow on the ground. Though I drive with it on all the time for that one 'Oh ****' moment that might pop up. Better safe then sorry

Alexshen1 · 04-19-2010, 08:27 AM

With great power, ________________ fill in the blank.

370ZGhost · 04-19-2010, 11:45 AM

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comes great responsibility.....or is it respect....i believe "With great power, comes great responsibility" -Spidermans Uncle in Spiderman...before he gets his *** shot

vipor · 04-19-2010, 09:29 AM

So I'm driving back from dinner with this chick Friday, and it had just started raining. I had the VDC off because I've been havin a little more fun than usual driving around lately.. I'm at a light turning left where I go really slow because of a bump in the road.

All of a sudden (while turning) I look to her and say "this could be interesting"... Shift into 2nd and give it just a little gas and UH OH, I'm facing left, 90° off-axis in my lane.

Kinda funny because I saw it coming and gave her the heads up, and because there were no cars short of 1 I had already passed by sitting at the light. Put it in reverse, turned the VDC back on, and went on my merry way.

It's easy to see how people that aren't 100% on the ball can lose their ass (and their car) with the VDC off.

04-18-2010, 04:16 PM	#1 (permalink)
dad Grand Prix of Endurance Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tennessee Posts: 3,476 Drives: Mulsanne Straight Rep Power: 26	One important issue: What the car can do, and can not do, needs to be learned! Same goes for the driver. __________________ We can do without any article of luxury we have never had; but once obtained, it is not in human nature to surrender it voluntary.

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fullmonty A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Dirty Jersey Posts: 7,762 Drives: 370 Touring/Sport Rep Power: 34	I was at a light next to a friend of mine who was driving his beat up Dodge Shadow, I figured it would be a good time to drive off the light with some spirt, not to race him or anything but get off with some grunt. VDC was on and it felt some wheel spin and I bogged down in the middle of the intersection while this Dodge puttered away. VDC also didn't allow me to get up my driveway with some light snow on the ground. Though I drive with it on all the time for that one 'Oh ****' moment that might pop up. Better safe then sorry __________________

04-19-2010, 09:29 AM	#15 (permalink)
vipor A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Euless, TX [ DFW ] Age: 42 Posts: 13,531 Drives: Nismo 09-0183 QAB Rep Power: 49	So I'm driving back from dinner with this chick Friday, and it had just started raining. I had the VDC off because I've been havin a little more fun than usual driving around lately.. I'm at a light turning left where I go really slow because of a bump in the road. All of a sudden (while turning) I look to her and say "this could be interesting"... Shift into 2nd and give it just a little gas and UH OH, I'm facing left, 90° off-axis in my lane. Kinda funny because I saw it coming and gave her the heads up, and because there were no cars short of 1 I had already passed by sitting at the light. Put it in reverse, turned the VDC back on, and went on my merry way. It's easy to see how people that aren't 100% on the ball can lose their ass (and their car) with the VDC off. __________________ 2009 NISMO # 0193 \| QAB \| Albums! \| 05.04.10 (Dynojet) 291.94hp/248.28tq Oil Cooler (DIY) \| Custom Headlights \| GTSPEC Braces \| F.I. Long Tube Headers

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Jeffblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: NY Age: 37 Posts: 9,192 Drives: Z32TT & 335xi Coupe Rep Power: 38	i see what you mean. That's what i figured. I agree. I think its funny how people would rather be able to text and talk on the phone than be able to drive a stick. I think its ridiculous when people are like 'no way could i ever drive stick, but they can somehow text and drive. its funny also, most of those VDC off crashes are so illogical. 'let me turn off the VDC, and then drive the car harder than i ever have' makes no sense.

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onekneedown Base Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Norcal Posts: 33 Drives: 2009-370z-PG-M6 Rep Power: 16	I think the VDC on/off discussions are interesting in that any safety device on any vehicle is only as good as the drivers using them. Some have suggested that turning off the VDC and then flooring the throttle through a turn will teach you a painful lesson. However VDC will not prevent someone who is determined to push a car to the limit and beyond from doing damage to themselves or others. it is ironic that the more improvements made to vehicles whether they are cars or motorcycles don't correlate to fewer accidents. It's because some people always think they can handle the limits before they have ever approached them. For example, go to a motorcycle dealership and watch how many new riders want to grab a handful of throttle to "see what it will do" before they are even familiar with the characteristics of the bike or basic driving. Then go to a high performance track day for bikes or cars and see how many people who measure performance in wheelies and burnouts get dusted by folks who actually take the time to learn vehicle dynamics, car control in an incremental fashion. VDC on or off doesn't matter if you have disengaged your brain!!

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trent1331 Base Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Fayetteville, AR Posts: 164 Drives: 09 370z MB M6 Rep Power: 16	Let's not forget VDC is there for more than just saving your * when you cant keep your foot off the throttle.. I had a run in with an icy overpass and it saved my * via fishtailing mid-interstate, versus whatever would've happened should my VDC have been off. Probably the same outcome, honestly.

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