370Z Not Cranking Problem

zmyride · 04-05-2010, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ejrives

sucks to see a Z on a flatbed, but glad to see it's fixed!

what do you mean? my Z was delivered to me from another dealer on a flatbed, 150 miles away. when i picked her up, she had 8 miles.

Master_Ly · 04-07-2010, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by shoopajae10

^^ its the ecu... i have a 2010 and i still hear it...

i took it to the dealership and they said Nissan had already addressed the issue with the 2010 ECU in the assembly line because of the issues on the 09's ECU.

But why is it that i still hear it? some of the guys here on the forum that have an 09 replaced their ECU and the sound is eliminated.

If they truly fixed the ECU for the 2010... shouldn't the noise be eliminated like the 09s??

That is very odd. Maybe another thought is to take it by another dealership and see if you can get a second opinion.

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Originally Posted by zmyride

what do you mean? my Z was delivered to me from another dealer on a flatbed, 150 miles away. when i picked her up, she had 8 miles.

There can be exceptions!

Ztoon · 04-12-2010, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Master_Ly

Okay, the problem had to do with the IPDM (Intelligent Power Distribution Module) and the specific pin not sending the voltage to the starter. The voltage was going to the IPDM but it was not coming out. Everything else checked out with the battery and ECU. After replacing the IPDM, she fired up like normal. Here are the codes information:

RD21AA RPL IPDM/USM MODULE
Fail Code: ZE/62
RD9999 STRAIGHT TIME
Fail Code: ZE/62

Hopefully none of you will experience this! If so, at least this thread exists now to help give some reference material.

Same thing happened to me. I interpreted it as low battery and figured I must have left a light on. When I jumped it, it started fine. It's happened three times now, so I KNOW something else is going on.
Happened again tonight. What makes it worse is my Uprev tune was set in the security, 1mph. no drive mode, and now it doesn't recognize any commands. Looks like a tow for me in the morning as well. Thanks for the info. Hopefully the IPDM will be the fix.

brakedrift12 · 04-12-2010, 09:53 PM

hmmm. sorry to hear that. hopely get it fixed!

Justin1686 · 04-13-2010, 09:09 AM

i had a similar situation 5 months ago, my car wouldnt start, randomly. and They had to replace the IPDM. UNFORTUNATELY, as of last week, its not a permanent fix. My car wont start again, and i'm bringing it in again tomorrow.
What stinks about this situation, is I would like to put CBE, and HFC on my car, but do not want it to effect warranty coverage with this particular issue. Good luck with ur situation. I know what it feels like.

Ztoon · 04-13-2010, 05:41 PM

Not the IPDM. Well that sucks! Mine goes to the dealer in the morning. I have all the code info printed out to give them for the IPDM miracle cure.
This is the third time for me, randomly over the 11 months I've had the car. My volt gauge was showing over 12V each time. I put jumper cables on it anyways and it started right away. Weird.
I'll post what they find tomorrow.

ChrisSlicks · 04-13-2010, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ztoon

My volt gauge was showing over 12V each time. I put jumper cables on it anyways and it started right away. Weird.
I'll post what they find tomorrow.

Do you let the car sit for long periods of time? If the volt gauge is showing close to 12V then I would consider that almost a dead battery (<25% charge). 12.25V is only 50% charge. Fully charged is something around 12.6V.

Master_Ly · 04-13-2010, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin1686

i had a similar situation 5 months ago, my car wouldnt start, randomly. and They had to replace the IPDM. UNFORTUNATELY, as of last week, its not a permanent fix. My car wont start again, and i'm bringing it in again tomorrow.
What stinks about this situation, is I would like to put CBE, and HFC on my car, but do not want it to effect warranty coverage with this particular issue. Good luck with ur situation. I know what it feels like.

Mine is already fixed (crosses fingers) but if you are experiencing the similar situation again, then it's not good! Sorry to hear about your situation. Please let us know if it is the IPDM again or whatever the problem may be. Good luck to you too.

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Originally Posted by Ztoon

Not the IPDM. Well that sucks! Mine goes to the dealer in the morning. I have all the code info printed out to give them for the IPDM miracle cure.
This is the third time for me, randomly over the 11 months I've had the car. My volt gauge was showing over 12V each time. I put jumper cables on it anyways and it started right away. Weird.
I'll post what they find tomorrow.

Please do let us know what's up with yours too. If this is the third time then there must be something bigger that is wrong. The dealership should be doing an electrical test including your battery so make notes on that. Good luck with your situation.

(starting to notice a possible trend!)

Ztoon · 04-14-2010, 07:53 PM

Just returned from the dealer. Apparently my Z came with a near dead battery. In warm weather or during winter when I had it stored in heated underground parking, there was just enough juice. Outside in the cool spring, if left for a few days however , it wouldn't crank.
They checked the steering lock mechanism, which there have been problems with. If your car is in the 'on' position and the steering lock does not release, then it's malfunctioning, and the car won't start.
A check was run on the IPDM which showed normal. They also contacted Nissan Canada, who said to date there's only 1 IPDM fail in Canada.
Good call, Chris, I didn't know 12V or slightly above was next to dead.
Hopefully this is the end of it.

NISSNISS370Z · 04-14-2010, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Master_Ly

Hey, everyone. Well, this past Friday morning I was leaving for work as normal, I got into my Z and hit the "Start" button with the clutch pressed completely down and everything lit up as normal the but the car didn't not start! I then turned it off and tried it again and nothing. I did this a several more times and still nothing. I even put the key fob in the slot!

I then made a phone call to the local dealership and spoke to a friend of the family, whom works in the service department, and he said that the battery could possibly be dead in the key fob so I went and got my spare key fob and tried it but to no avail. He then advised that I needed to get it towed to him so he can have it checked out. So I called and got a tow truck on the way and in the meantime, I pulled out the owner's manual to do some troubleshooting research and nothing useful. Then I had the idea of disconnecting the battery for 10 minutes and then trying again. It didn't do any harm to the car and it didn't do any good either. Shortly the tow truck got here and it was super sad to see her be put up like this. At least it was a full flat-bed (see pic 1).

We got to the Nissan dealership and the technician did a quick diagnostic. I also explained everything mentioned above. The initial results was that the key fob was being read (obviously), the clutch signal being completely pressed was also being read, but the ECU was not sending the signal to the starter to turn the motor over. They told me they wanted to do more diagnostic and troubleshooting work. I told them it was fine and to take their time. The dealership was cool enough to cover the charge on the tow and provide me a 2009 Altima (see pic 2) as a rental from Enterprise.

One thing I noticed was the "Start" button itself (see pic 3) was illuminated as normal except the 3 lights above the "Start" button was not (e.g. "On"). I'm not sure what this means but I hope to find out the results sometime next week.

I wanted to post this as a possible reference material for anybody else in the future. I will provide further details once I get an update.

If this helped, please "rep" me! Thank you!

mmmm, the first thing i would have done if i expected a dead battery would have been to "BUMP START IT" I wonder what would of happened if you tried that?

Justin1686 · 04-18-2010, 11:21 PM

so i finally got mine to the dealer weds, after 3 full days and 50 attempts to start it. ending up not being the chip, and a steering wheel lock bolt apparently. got it back friday, and been running good since.

Master_Ly · 04-20-2010, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ztoon

Just returned from the dealer. Apparently my Z came with a near dead battery. In warm weather or during winter when I had it stored in heated underground parking, there was just enough juice. Outside in the cool spring, if left for a few days however , it wouldn't crank.
They checked the steering lock mechanism, which there have been problems with. If your car is in the 'on' position and the steering lock does not release, then it's malfunctioning, and the car won't start.
A check was run on the IPDM which showed normal. They also contacted Nissan Canada, who said to date there's only 1 IPDM fail in Canada.
Good call, Chris, I didn't know 12V or slightly above was next to dead.
Hopefully this is the end of it.

Very interesting. Hopefully it wasn't something that's been draining your battery or maybe a weak alternator. I'm glad to hear you got it fixed!

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Originally Posted by NISSNISS370Z

mmmm, the first thing i would have done if i expected a dead battery would have been to "BUMP START IT" I wonder what would of happened if you tried that?

That's a thought but I'm not sure if I would have wanted to put my Z through that when I had warranty to call upon, haha. Honestly, I didn't think of doing this.

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Originally Posted by Justin1686

so i finally got mine to the dealer weds, after 3 full days and 50 attempts to start it. ending up not being the chip, and a steering wheel lock bolt apparently. got it back friday, and been running good since.

This is good to know. It might be just a fluke but I'm glad to hear that it's all fixed now!

j.arnaldo · 04-22-2010, 10:15 AM

Technology can be a panacea or it can be a painacea...Shucks!

VADSG · 04-30-2010, 10:05 PM

It appears I have the same problem as Master Lv and several others. I got off the train tonight and my Z wouldn't start. Symptoms are: i) the system appears to recognize that the key is present because the depress clutch message appears; ii) when I depress clutch and press the start button i get a clicking sound from the engine bay but no cranking; iii) the intelligent key system warning light comes on; iv) the outside temp display switched from Fahrenheit to Centigrade; v) the horn doesn't sound when the doors are locked with the fob; and vi) there is no beeping when the button is pressed on door handle to lock the doors.

I have tried the same measure that others have tried including: i) using the backup fob; ii) inserting the backup fob in the fob holder; and iii) locking and unlocking the car using both fobs. The engine does not crank at all; only the clicking noise and not always that.

Guess I will have to have it towed to the dealer tomorrow morning.

If anyone has any new intelligence on this problem that might help I would be incredibly appreciative. My Z is a 2009 Touring 6mt with sport and nav. I bought it new in July 2009 and have approximately 9,000 miles. Except for today's major issue, I have not had any issues with the car.

Thanks,

VADSG

ChrisSlicks · 04-30-2010, 10:38 PM

Dead battery or bad battery contact (Infiniti has a TSB on this). If that isn't the case then PDM it is. The clicking noise indicates that the starter motor is attempting to crank but there isn't enough current getting to it.

04-13-2010, 05:41 PM	#21 (permalink)
Ztoon Track Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: B.C. Posts: 578 Drives: '09 370a7 Rep Power: 25	Not the IPDM. Well that sucks! Mine goes to the dealer in the morning. I have all the code info printed out to give them for the IPDM miracle cure. This is the third time for me, randomly over the 11 months I've had the car. My volt gauge was showing over 12V each time. I put jumper cables on it anyways and it started right away. Weird. I'll post what they find tomorrow. __________________ Stillen G3\|CBE\|ground kit, F.I. H.F.C., C.F. fangs\|mirrors\|pillars, Hotchkis, SSR Type-F, RE-11, UpRev, BC BR coilovers 15% tint, LED black hdlts, color match handles, Dynamat, tail lt. tint, Mines C.F. frt. lip\|rear spoiler, Amuse rear,skirts, vented fenders, c.f. vented hood, gloss blk. roof

04-14-2010, 07:53 PM	#24 (permalink)
Ztoon Track Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: B.C. Posts: 578 Drives: '09 370a7 Rep Power: 25	Just returned from the dealer. Apparently my Z came with a near dead battery. In warm weather or during winter when I had it stored in heated underground parking, there was just enough juice. Outside in the cool spring, if left for a few days however , it wouldn't crank. They checked the steering lock mechanism, which there have been problems with. If your car is in the 'on' position and the steering lock does not release, then it's malfunctioning, and the car won't start. A check was run on the IPDM which showed normal. They also contacted Nissan Canada, who said to date there's only 1 IPDM fail in Canada. Good call, Chris, I didn't know 12V or slightly above was next to dead. Hopefully this is the end of it. __________________ Stillen G3\|CBE\|ground kit, F.I. H.F.C., C.F. fangs\|mirrors\|pillars, Hotchkis, SSR Type-F, RE-11, UpRev, BC BR coilovers 15% tint, LED black hdlts, color match handles, Dynamat, tail lt. tint, Mines C.F. frt. lip\|rear spoiler, Amuse rear,skirts, vented fenders, c.f. vented hood, gloss blk. roof

04-30-2010, 10:05 PM	#29 (permalink)
VADSG Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: fairfax station, va Posts: 24 Drives: CY 370Z 6MT T/S Rep Power: 16	Not so Intelligent Power Distribution Module It appears I have the same problem as Master Lv and several others. I got off the train tonight and my Z wouldn't start. Symptoms are: i) the system appears to recognize that the key is present because the depress clutch message appears; ii) when I depress clutch and press the start button i get a clicking sound from the engine bay but no cranking; iii) the intelligent key system warning light comes on; iv) the outside temp display switched from Fahrenheit to Centigrade; v) the horn doesn't sound when the doors are locked with the fob; and vi) there is no beeping when the button is pressed on door handle to lock the doors. I have tried the same measure that others have tried including: i) using the backup fob; ii) inserting the backup fob in the fob holder; and iii) locking and unlocking the car using both fobs. The engine does not crank at all; only the clicking noise and not always that. Guess I will have to have it towed to the dealer tomorrow morning. If anyone has any new intelligence on this problem that might help I would be incredibly appreciative. My Z is a 2009 Touring 6mt with sport and nav. I bought it new in July 2009 and have approximately 9,000 miles. Except for today's major issue, I have not had any issues with the car. Thanks, VADSG __________________ VADSG

04-30-2010, 10:38 PM	#30 (permalink)
ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 653	Dead battery or bad battery contact (Infiniti has a TSB on this). If that isn't the case then PDM it is. The clicking noise indicates that the starter motor is attempting to crank but there isn't enough current getting to it. __________________ Hotchkis ARB \| Stillen CAI \| Art Pipes \| Berk CBE \| Stillen AP Racing Brakes \| AE Performance Oil Cooler \| BC Racing ER Coilovers \| Doran Control Arms

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