What!!!! No ashtray

tjlazer · 03-25-2010, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

How many died from heart attacks due to alcohol. How many from car accidents, either self-inflicted death or killing someone else? Your numbers are incomplete.

Not sure what your point is, but the facts are Tobacco use is right up there amongst the leading causes of death for both men and women. Also contributes to the most common cancer (Lung). 90% of lung cancer patients smoked. Some say obesity and heart disease is the number one. Well it's debateable and IMHO both are right up there! It's also said that a one pack a day smoker is like someone being 90 Lbs overweight health wise. Besides to keep this Z related. I rather be buying a 370Z than smoking a couple packs a day!

Just think of all that money smokers throw away...

Here some fun facts:
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/node/30

Wow sobering

kannibul · 03-25-2010, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

They don't tax tobacco because it's bad for you. It's a Excise (consumption) tax, much like the tax on alcohol or gasoline... and soon, if there is a God, marijuana.

That is true, however, they probably will with the healthcare bill.

In fact, if they don't, I'd be surprised.

kenchan · 03-25-2010, 05:20 PM

im glad they are banning smoking from a lot of restaurants. nothing worse than having a great meal getting ruined by smoke.

kannibul · 03-25-2010, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick911sc

Oh i totally agree with you 100%. But problems such as those aren't fixed by taxing the product. A awful parent poisoning their child with a $10 pack of cigarettes is no different than an awful parent poisoning their child with a $5 pack.

Except a $5 tax on top of each pack sold would go a long way towards paying for the expenses that the user or their child may face when it comes to smoking related illnesses.

1 pack a day, $5 x 365 x 30 years smoking = approx $55K. That's not even close to what radiation costs...but it'd help.

Nick911sc · 03-25-2010, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kannibul

Except a $5 tax on top of each pack sold would go a long way towards paying for the expenses that the user and their child may face when it comes to smoking related illnesses.

1 pack a day, $5 x 365 x 30 years smoking = approx $55K. That's not even close to what radiation costs...but it'd help.

Which is why the govt shouldn't be adding the tax on top. It takes that money out of their pocket. It's not like they give the money back if you get cancer.

370Zsteve · 03-25-2010, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick911sc

Which is why the govt shouldn't be adding the tax on top. It takes that money out of their pocket. It's not like they give the money back if you get cancer.

Tobacco taxes aren't going anywhere but up, Nick.

Nick911sc · 03-25-2010, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

Tobacco taxes aren't going anywhere but up, Nick.

I agree

I'm just against taxes in general regardless of the item haha

kannibul · 03-25-2010, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick911sc

Which is why the govt shouldn't be adding the tax on top. It takes that money out of their pocket. It's not like they give the money back if you get cancer.

Who's pocket? The smoker's? Simple - quit smoking. Easy enough fix. Make it cost enough (by taxing it) and people will stop doing it, and the problems caused by it will go away.

The end result is that we're healthier for it, making our healthcare costs go down, which then the money "gained" by taxing won't be nessicary. On the other hand, those that do smoke, end up costing ALL OF US more money by having higher premiums - might as well try and offset it by placing a tax on the items causing the problem.

kannibul · 03-25-2010, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick911sc

I agree

I'm just against taxes in general regardless of the item haha

Do you like driving on nice roads with your Z?

Do you like the police coming to your house when you call them (or going to a neighbor's house when they are unruly) or responding to an accident when you wreck your Z?

Do you like the fire department showing up and putting out a fire that will consume all of your possessions without regard?

There's a lot of things that taxes pay for that have a huge benefit.

Nick911sc · 03-25-2010, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kannibul

Do you like driving on nice roads with your Z?

Do you like the police coming to your house when you call them (or going to a neighbor's house when they are unruly) or responding to an accident when you wreck your Z?

Do you like the fire department showing up and putting out a fire that will consume all of your possessions without regard?

There's a lot of things that taxes pay for that have a huge benefit.

lol I understand that. I'm not talking about municipal taxes on such services. I think we should just drop it before this thread gets out of hand haha.

tjlazer · 03-25-2010, 05:44 PM

With all this talk of smoking and Z's... I couldn't resist!

Zaggeron · 03-25-2010, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kannibul

Who's pocket? The smoker's? Simple - quit smoking. Easy enough fix. Make it cost enough (by taxing it) and people will stop doing it, and the problems caused by it will go away.

The end result is that we're healthier for it, making our healthcare costs go down, which then the money "gained" by taxing won't be nessicary. On the other hand, those that do smoke, end up costing ALL OF US more money by having higher premiums - might as well try and offset it by placing a tax on the items causing the problem.

Well I for one don't want to be made "healthier" against my will. Oh and get your facts straight. It's a little publicized fact but smokers have lower total health care costs. The average age at which a smoker gets lung cancer is 72 and typically they don't live long enough to have long extended illnesses.

Why stop at cigarettes? Why not tax to extinction or outright outlaw all sorts of risky behavior -- hang gliding ... no way ..the nanny state says people having accidents hang gliding will raise premiums. Like fast cars ... sorry ...fast cars are dangerous. Like your whoppers -- you gotta be kidding ... saturated fat is a mega killer.

It's a slippery slope and it's inconsistent with the notion of individual responsibility for which this country is known.

If they are going to outlaw smoking because the non-smokers are getting annoyed at smelling a little smoke, then they should also outlaw wearing Axe body spray or old lady perfume in public places -- that crap is way more noxious smelling than a bit of stale tobacco smoke

Nick911sc · 03-25-2010, 08:31 PM

Someone who agrees with me rep+

JACKPAC · 03-25-2010, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick911sc

Which is why the govt shouldn't be adding the tax on top. It takes that money out of their pocket. It's not like they give the money back if you get cancer.

It won't prevent already addicted people who can afford it to quit, but maybe it will reduce the number of teens who start smoking, or who can't afford to start smoking. Nobody starts smoking when they're adults and have money.

Nick911sc · 03-25-2010, 08:51 PM

Yea, but to be honest I don't like the government involved in who's doing what with their lives.

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kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	im glad they are banning smoking from a lot of restaurants. nothing worse than having a great meal getting ruined by smoke.

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Nick911sc A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 1,698 Drives: 2010 Nissan GT-R Rep Power: 20	Someone who agrees with me rep+

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Nick911sc A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 1,698 Drives: 2010 Nissan GT-R Rep Power: 20	Yea, but to be honest I don't like the government involved in who's doing what with their lives.