What!!!! No ashtray

shadow2k · 03-25-2010, 04:39 PM

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And just think I can save $22 dollars by just going outside and tanning and get all leathery skin for free.

But really I think a nice health tax on cigs would really be a good idea, how much is spent on health problems from cigs when you are older? I saw both my parents die from cigs and alcohol.

They just raised taxes on cigs last year by over a $1/pack. Taxes on cigs range from $1.50 - $3 per pack. I think that's already excessive. Tax gas, its worse for the environment, and provides plenty of pollution for your lungs.

Zsteve · 03-25-2010, 04:42 PM

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They just raised taxes on cigs last year by over a $1/pack. Taxes on cigs range from $1.50 - $3 per pack. I think that's already excessive. Tax gas, its worse for the environment, and provides plenty of pollution for your lungs.

They do tax gas, it goes up all the time, I dont see cigs going up aon a weekly basis.

Nick911sc · 03-25-2010, 04:45 PM

I don't smoke, but cigarette taxes in New York City are over $4 a pack.

I don't smoke and I hate it. But I support peoples rights to do it if they please. And any government based tax on goods because they're "bad" for you is unconstitutional crap. It needs to stop.

Zsteve · 03-25-2010, 04:52 PM

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I don't smoke, but cigarette taxes in New York City are over $4 a pack.

I don't smoke and I hate it. But I support peoples rights to do it if they please. And any government based tax on goods because they're "bad" for you is unconstitutional crap. It needs to stop.

Its not the bad for you, the person smoking, that they care about really. Its the problems they are doing to those around them that dont smoke. Kill yourself, those that smoke, but not those that dont. You think that little girl in the car I saw had a choice on them smoking and hurting her young and growing lungs? If they do that enough she will have problems even if she doesnt learn from them and smoke.

Nick911sc · 03-25-2010, 04:55 PM

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Its not the bad for you, the person smoking, that they care about really. Its the problems they are doing to those around them that dont smoke. Kill yourself, those that smoke, but not those that dont. You think that little girl in the car I saw had a choice on them smoking and hurting her young and growing lungs? If they do that enough she will have problems even if she doesnt learn from them and smoke.

Oh i totally agree with you 100%. But problems such as those aren't fixed by taxing the product. A awful parent poisoning their child with a $10 pack of cigarettes is no different than an awful parent poisoning their child with a $5 pack.

tjlazer · 03-25-2010, 04:55 PM

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Not that im a smoker but I want a place to put my change rather than putting it in the center counsole or in the cup holder. Actually, im very surprise that it doesnt have one just because smokers are going to smoke and if they dont have a place to put there "butts" they would toss them out the window and potentially start a fire and/or litter. Does anybody know why they didnt come equiped with one?......just curious

The sign of the times bro. It's about time too. Only ~20% of people smoke (in the US anyway) so why should there be an "Ash" tray in the car? LOL I'm glad I don't have a cancer stick recipticle in my Z. It's actually nice.

For spare change I use a cup Cell holder. There are all kinds out there.

Zsteve · 03-25-2010, 04:58 PM

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Oh i totally agree with you 100%. But problems such as those aren't fixed by taxing the product. A awful parent poisoning their child with a $10 pack of cigarettes is no different than an awful parent poisoning their child with a $5 pack.

I know it was a joke about raising the taxes to support the new health care plan it just gotta little side tracked.

370Zsteve · 03-25-2010, 04:58 PM

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I don't smoke, but cigarette taxes in New York City are over $4 a pack.

I don't smoke and I hate it. But I support peoples rights to do it if they please. And any government based tax on goods because they're "bad" for you is unconstitutional crap. It needs to stop.

They don't tax tobacco because it's bad for you. It's a Excise (consumption) tax, much like the tax on alcohol or gasoline... and soon, if there is a God, marijuana.

Zsteve · 03-25-2010, 05:00 PM

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They don't tax tobacco because it's bad for you. It's a Excise (consumption) tax, much like the tax on alcohol or gasoline... and soon, if there is a God, marijuana.

bit I do that without taxes now. hmmm might have to have maijuana party to stop them from taxing us.

I dont really smoke it, I get tested at work.

370Zsteve · 03-25-2010, 05:01 PM

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bit I do that without taxes now. hmmm might have to have maijuana party to stop them from taxing us.

I dont really smoke it, I get tested at work.

Yes! The Pot Party! We stand for stuff, but can't remember what it is

Nick911sc · 03-25-2010, 05:03 PM

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They don't tax tobacco because it's bad for you. It's a Excise (consumption) tax, much like the tax on alcohol or gasoline... and soon, if there is a God, marijuana.

Yes...but excise taxes are put in place in order to discourage purchase of goods.

And if the Gov't was smart they would legalize pot and make a shitload of money off of it.

Zsteve · 03-25-2010, 05:04 PM

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Yes! The Pot Party! We stand for stuff, but can't remember what it is

Thats GOOD man, really GOOD.

370Zsteve · 03-25-2010, 05:05 PM

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Yes...but excise taxes are put in place in order to discourage purchase of goods.

And if the Gov't was smart they would legalize pot and make a shitload of money off of it.

Yes they would! But those consumption taxes, they are in palce because they know people will always buy booze, and gasoline, etc, it discourages nothing w00t

370Zsteve · 03-25-2010, 05:06 PM

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Yes...but excise taxes are put in place in order to discourage purchase of goods.

And if the Gov't was smart they would legalize pot and make a shitload of money off of it.

Wiki:

In defence of excises on strong drink, Adam Smith wrote: "It has for some time past been the policy of Great Britain to discourage the consumption of spirituous liquors, on account of their supposed tendency to ruin the health and to corrupt the morals of the common people."^[6] Samuel Johnson was less flattering in his 1755 dictionary: "EXCI'SE. n.s. ... A hateful tax levied upon commodities, and adjudged not by the common judges of property, but wretches hired by those to whom excise is paid."^[7]

Zsteve · 03-25-2010, 05:08 PM

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Yes they would! But those consumption taxes, they are in palce because they know people will always buy booze, and gasoline, etc, it discourages nothing w00t

can we say "MONEY MONEY MONEY"

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Nick911sc A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 1,698 Drives: 2010 Nissan GT-R Rep Power: 20	I don't smoke, but cigarette taxes in New York City are over $4 a pack. I don't smoke and I hate it. But I support peoples rights to do it if they please. And any government based tax on goods because they're "bad" for you is unconstitutional crap. It needs to stop.