350z or 370z

NIZMOZ · 01-28-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Lug

He doesn't have a NISMO, his touring model is heavy as hell (I know, I've got one, about 3400 lbs), the handling is much better on the 19's and your dyno figures seem to be off unless you are comparing to a NISMO (claimed 313 hp vs 332) that, once again, he doesn't have. Plus the NISMO actually costs quite a bit more than the new 370Z in comparable trim.

Well I know the NISMO is heavier than the touring and weighs at 3325. The 370Z was weighed at 3350 per C&D for a base model.

The HR dynos 260-270 stock. The 370z has seen 275-285 stock. 306 vs 332 per what Nissan says is wrong. Dynos tell the truth. So if Nissan says it has 350 hp your going to believe them over what the car actually Dynos? LOL!

New NISMO now can be had now for 28-32k, the 370z 32k starting it seems.

Back on topic, keep your 07.

Lug · 01-28-2009, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

Well I know the NISMO is heavier than the touring and weighs at 3325. The 370Z was weighed at 3350 per C&D for a base model.

The HR dynos 260-270 stock. The 370z has seen 275-285 stock. 306 vs 332 per what Nissan says is wrong. Dynos tell the truth. So if Nissan says it has 350 hp your going to believe them over what the car actually Dynos? LOL!

New NISMO now can be had now for 28-32k, the 370z 32k starting it seems.

Back on topic, keep your 07.

The Nismos are supposed to be 50 70 60 lbs lighter than the Touring but heavier than the base. Every Dyno can be calibrated different. To get the real story you need back to back cars on the same dyno. I just can't see raising the compression ratio to 11to1 AND increasing the displacement from 3.5 to 3.7 resulting in just a 10 hp gain....does not compute.

Once again, you are suggesting he keep his 350Z Touring based on NISMO numbers. I love the NISMO but own a Touring. When I can afford it, I'm switching. If I already had a NISMO it would be a much harder choice, but both he and I don't.

NIZMOZ · 01-28-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Lug

The Nismos are supposed to be 50 70 60 lbs lighter than the Touring but heavier than the base. Every Dyno can be calibrated different. To get the real story you need back to back cars on the same dyno. I just can't see raising the compression ratio to 11to1 AND increasing the displacement from 3.5 to 3.7 resulting in just a 10 hp gain....does not compute.

Once again, you are suggesting he keep his 350Z Touring based on NISMO numbers. I love the NISMO but own a Touring. When I can afford it, I'm switching. If I already had a NISMO it would be a much harder choice, but both he and I don't.

The dyno was on the same dyno as the 350Z. It was posted on my350z the comparisons.

The car only does 10-15 more rwhp over a HR. Just like how the G37 vs the 350z has done.

It does when dynos do not lie.

MaximumPwr · 01-28-2009, 02:10 PM

I agree with Semtex. No car is perfect (unless you build it in your garage from frame up with everything you want). I have zero regrets though. Love the car more and more every day. Oh, one regret that I don't think anyone has said anything about yet.......no targa top.

Someone photochop one so we can see what it would look like. IMO it would be sweet.

Lug · 01-28-2009, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

The dyno was on the same dyno as the 350Z. It was posted on my350z the comparisons.

The car only does 10-15 more rwhp over a HR. Just like how the G37 vs the 350z has done.

It does when dynos do not lie.

286 vs 260 = 26HP difference on same dyno + much wider torque band. comparing his car to a 370Z

link from that forum:
Stock DE vs Revup vs HR vs VHR numbers - MY350Z.COM Forums

The 370Z is simply superior in all aspects except the digital speedo and a good tire pressure gauge. I can live without those for the performance uptic.

Robert_Nash · 01-28-2009, 02:24 PM

I've had three, 350s and now my 370.

I mean no offense to anyone who currently owns any model of 350 but the 370 is hands-down a better car in virtually any way you want to measure it, including against the NismoZ.

I'm not suggesting that everyone who owns a 350 should just go out and buy a 370 but some of this quibbling sounds as if some are trying to placate themselves about not having a 370 and some of the complaints I've heard about the 370 sound a awful lot like those I heard when the 350 came out.

People should buy what they like.

NIZMOZ · 01-28-2009, 03:16 PM

3 350z and a 370z? Dang...you don't keep cars long.

260 vs 285 yes, 25hp. But 260 for a HR is the lowest I have seen also. There was another comparison on a dynopack I believe and it was only a 15 hp difference between the HR and the 370z.

The 370z is a improved car, some things aren't as good as the 350z and some things are better. To improve you have to give or take sometimes.

I bought my NISMO for a track car / daily driver and it has done well. It is the only 350z that still out performs the 370z in handling numbers however. But look what they had to do to it to make that happen. The 370z the way it is already does a lot better than the regular 350z!

I like how some of the underbody reinforcements under the back end of the 370z are. Man that is some serious metal under it.

Z34drifty · 01-29-2009, 12:51 AM

Thanks guys this does help out alot.
Man I want to have both cars but I don't want 2 2 seater.

Z34drifty · 01-29-2009, 12:53 AM

It is very hard right now because if I get it.
What would happen if I get laid off at Boeing there goes my car.
So far it is because of Boeing that I got my 350z.

zsport1 · 01-29-2009, 02:28 AM

Honestly, you can't go wrong with either car. But the numbers tell the real story.

This is NIZMOZ's dyno. Blue line is stock and red is after his UPREV tune

Here is a dyno of the 370Z

I haven't driven a 370Z yet. And neither has NIZMOZ. So for he or I to try to compare the cars really isn't fair. But everyone who I have spoken to who has driven the 370Z has said it is clearly faster than the 350Z and is an improvement in almost every way. Heavier? I honestly don't think the weight difference is going to slow down the 370Z on the track.
Bottom line- Get the car that appeals to you the most. Either way you will have a Z Car.

NIZMOZ · 01-29-2009, 08:44 AM

X2. I would personally drive both cars and then you make the decision. We kinda have someone doing the same thing locally and he is getting the NISMO because of it's limited edition value.

I am just going by the numbers on the test results of the cars, and the NISMO is over 2mph faster in the slalom over a 370z which is substantial for handling. I can't wait to drive one though, but if I do, I would probably buy one because that is the way I am, so I am trying to steer clear from them.

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Originally Posted by zsport1

Honestly, you can't go wrong with either car. But the numbers tell the real story.

I haven't driven a 370Z yet. And neither has NIZMOZ. So for he or I to try to compare the cars really isn't fair. But everyone who I have spoken to who has driven the 370Z has said it is clearly faster than the 350Z and is an improvement in almost every way. Heavier? I honestly don't think the weight difference is going to slow down the 370Z on the track.
Bottom line- Get the car that appeals to you the most. Either way you will have a Z Car.

Z34drifty · 01-29-2009, 09:21 AM

Well so far I haven't got to drive a 370z yet.
I'll see if I can this weekend.

zsport1 · 01-30-2009, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

I am just going by the numbers on the test results of the cars, and the NISMO is over 2mph faster in the slalom over a 370z which is substantial for handling.

Ya but that's comparing a NISMO 350Z vs base 370Z. Not apples to apples in that comparison. Just wait til the NISMO 370Z comes out.

Lug · 01-30-2009, 04:47 PM

The NISMO slaloms better but the 370 can pull a lot more lateral G (.91 vs .99). This means on very tight tracks the NISMO may have an advantage but on a track with big sweepers, the 370 will rule. Kind of a wash on the handling data so far (in stock form of course)

Robert_Nash · 01-30-2009, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Lug

The NISMO slaloms better but the 370 can pull a lot more lateral G (.91 vs .99). This means on very tight tracks the NISMO may have an advantage but on a track with big sweepers, the 370 will rule. Kind of a wash on the handling data so far (in stock form of course)

How many sources/tests are you using to conclusively state that the NISMO 350 is faster through a slalom than a 370?

01-28-2009, 02:24 PM	#21 (permalink)
Robert_Nash Track Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Middle TN/Savannah GA Posts: 762 Drives: '14 Q60IPL/'14Armada Rep Power: 17	I've had three, 350s and now my 370. I mean no offense to anyone who currently owns any model of 350 but the 370 is hands-down a better car in virtually any way you want to measure it, including against the NismoZ. I'm not suggesting that everyone who owns a 350 should just go out and buy a 370 but some of this quibbling sounds as if some are trying to placate themselves about not having a 370 and some of the complaints I've heard about the 370 sound a awful lot like those I heard when the 350 came out. People should buy what they like. __________________ Robert -My Basset Hound Is Smarter Than Your Honor Student and Barack Obama -

01-28-2009, 03:16 PM	#22 (permalink)
NIZMOZ Track Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 634 Drives: 07 NISMO 350Z SA M6 Rep Power: 491	3 350z and a 370z? Dang...you don't keep cars long. 260 vs 285 yes, 25hp. But 260 for a HR is the lowest I have seen also. There was another comparison on a dynopack I believe and it was only a 15 hp difference between the HR and the 370z. The 370z is a improved car, some things aren't as good as the 350z and some things are better. To improve you have to give or take sometimes. I bought my NISMO for a track car / daily driver and it has done well. It is the only 350z that still out performs the 370z in handling numbers however. But look what they had to do to it to make that happen. The 370z the way it is already does a lot better than the regular 350z! I like how some of the underbody reinforcements under the back end of the 370z are. Man that is some serious metal under it. __________________ SOLD: 2007 NISMO 350Z #0044 Silver Alloy New DD: 2010 Titan Pro4X CC

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zsport1 Base Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: TEXAS Posts: 224 Drives: 300 Rep Power: 17	Honestly, you can't go wrong with either car. But the numbers tell the real story. This is NIZMOZ's dyno. Blue line is stock and red is after his UPREV tune Here is a dyno of the 370Z I haven't driven a 370Z yet. And neither has NIZMOZ. So for he or I to try to compare the cars really isn't fair. But everyone who I have spoken to who has driven the 370Z has said it is clearly faster than the 350Z and is an improvement in almost every way. Heavier? I honestly don't think the weight difference is going to slow down the 370Z on the track. Bottom line- Get the car that appeals to you the most. Either way you will have a Z Car.

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Z34drifty Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Auburn Posts: 253 Drives: through walls Rep Power: 16	Well so far I haven't got to drive a 370z yet. I'll see if I can this weekend.

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Lug A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 1,926 Drives: 2006 350Z Rep Power: 19	The NISMO slaloms better but the 370 can pull a lot more lateral G (.91 vs .99). This means on very tight tracks the NISMO may have an advantage but on a track with big sweepers, the 370 will rule. Kind of a wash on the handling data so far (in stock form of course)