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USMCASA 03-10-2010 01:05 PM

Fire fighting GTR?
 
this looks weird but i guess it serves a purpose.
Nissan GT-R gets firefighting abilities -- photos - CNET Reviews

blue660r01 03-10-2010 01:10 PM

:wtf2:

kannibul 03-10-2010 01:15 PM

Apparently, someone has money to burn. Must suck to have that much just laying around... =/

370zproject 03-10-2010 01:15 PM

:ugh2:

Chupacabra 03-10-2010 01:18 PM

Its a quick emergency response unit for the 'ring.... its the perfect car for this too... I think its a great idea... it would suck to crash somewhere on mile 6-7 on the ring and have to wait 10min... for a damn fire truck to get there, at least this should be at that point in 3-4 minutes.

Chriz 03-10-2010 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chupacabra (Post 438570)
Its a quick emergency response unit for the 'ring.... its the perfect car for this too... I think its a great idea... it would suck to crash somewhere on mile 6-7 on the ring and have to wait 10min... for a damn fire truck to get there, at least this should be at that point in 3-4 minutes.

:iagree: I dont see a fire truck lapping the ring that quickly...

fullmonty 03-10-2010 01:38 PM

Thats really cool. Wonder how many gallons it holds.

Red370 03-10-2010 01:39 PM

I LOL'ed.

Red370 03-10-2010 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by fullmonty (Post 438605)
Thats really cool. Wonder how many gallons it holds.

I assume its just a hose and a pump, plugs directly into a fire hydrant.

370zproject 03-10-2010 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Chriz (Post 438586)
:iagree: I dont see a fire truck lapping the ring that quickly...

oh sure just slap a ton of decals on it and it will fly!!!!

fullmonty 03-10-2010 02:45 PM

Theres gota be a water/foam tank on that bad boy. I can't see it carrying a bunch of hose to hook up to the hydrants however far apart they are.

370zproject 03-10-2010 02:46 PM

probly uses sound from the exaust?

kdoske 03-10-2010 03:36 PM

This car would be full of win if it was red. Oh well.....

Paul_S 03-10-2010 03:51 PM

Shame they didn't give my mates at nissansportz.com the credit for finding it and taking the pics ;)

Paul_S 03-10-2010 03:54 PM

I just found the original post --> Is This The World's Fastest Roadgoing Fire Engine? - nissansportz

FuszNissan 03-10-2010 03:58 PM

Interesting

Vegasboricua 03-10-2010 04:02 PM

:facepalm:

fullmonty 03-10-2010 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegasboricua (Post 438804)
:facepalm:

How? THis is so full on win. If it was some dude with to much money then it would be a facepalm. It looks like it would work great for its intended purpose. Would I want to hop on in and go fight a structure fire with it? No, but for a wreck on a racetrack this thing would be great to control the fire before a larger apperatus gets on scene.

Vegasboricua 03-10-2010 06:48 PM

Not my kind of thing if you ask me. I admit its unique. I personally think its just a waste tho. Thats just me.

CrownR426 03-10-2010 06:51 PM

That's badass!

PapoZalsa 03-10-2010 07:42 PM

Waste of money and time!

Vegasboricua 03-10-2010 07:44 PM

:iagree:

DooDooBrown 03-10-2010 08:47 PM

Alright, HATE to burst everyone's bubble, but the car is somewhat worthless.....

It only carries 13 gallons of water, and a medium extinguisher..... Not quite what you want for a car fire.... Not to mention the capacity of the pump can't be more than 300 gpm... I highly doubt that the track has water main piping through out the course, meaning that there is no way to establish a water supply from a fire hydrant to the pump on the car. Even if there was, I see no place for hose lines, only the hose reel. Couple this with the fact that there is no place to store firefighting gear, and the car is not worth the money.... They would have been MUCH better off purchasing a fire engine for that price.... Sure, it may be slower, but with the little amount of water the GT-R carries, it would be worth it....

With that being said, they would have been much better off equipping the GT-R with extracation equipment (think Jaws, Spreaders, Rams, etc....). I am assuming that entrapment would be pretty common on this course, as the speeds are greater than your average road, and generally, you are much more likely to be entraped in a car than to be in a car that is on fire. Additionally, vehicle extracation can take upwards of 30+ minutes, so, why not get the faster unit cutting quicker until the slower, heavier hitting appartius arrive?
Just my two cents, but what do I know, I am just a dumb fireman!
:tiphat:

fullmonty 03-11-2010 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DooDooBrown (Post 439260)
It only carries 13 gallons of water, and a medium extinguisher..... Not quite what you want for a car fire.... Not to mention the capacity of the pump can't be more than 300 gpm... I highly doubt that the track has water main piping through out the course, meaning that there is no way to establish a water supply from a fire hydrant to the pump on the car. Even if there was, I see no place for hose lines, only the hose reel. Couple this with the fact that there is no place to store firefighting gear, and the car is not worth the money.... They would have been MUCH better off purchasing a fire engine for that price.... Sure, it may be slower, but with the little amount of water the GT-R carries, it would be worth it....

With that being said, they would have been much better off equipping the GT-R with extracation equipment (think Jaws, Spreaders, Rams, etc....). I am assuming that entrapment would be pretty common on this course, as the speeds are greater than your average road, and generally, you are much more likely to be entraped in a car than to be in a car that is on fire. Additionally, vehicle extracation can take upwards of 30+ minutes, so, why not get the faster unit cutting quicker until the slower, heavier hitting appartius arrive?
Just my two cents, but what do I know, I am just a dumb fireman!
:tiphat:

You're right, really you could accomplish the job with a F350, a small pump with CAFS. So we're talking like 200 Gallons of water and 15 gallons worth of Foam and a compliment of rescue tools. The GTR is quick but can't really be described as a quick attack pumper. Once you get some man power there and working it will buy enough time for a larger rescue truck to get on scene. I don't know much more about the ring aside from it being in Germany but I would guess there has to be some hydrants throughout the course. But if there isn’t any we’re just talking a car fire and an engine can’t be that much further behind bringing more than enough water. The only time you’ll run into a water supply issue is if you have a large pileup and everything is burning. So yes the GTR is a little impractical as a firefighting vehicle, but it’s still a pretty cool little set up. I don’t think I’ll be pressing my chief to run off and talk to the town into buying one.

DooDooBrown 03-12-2010 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by fullmonty (Post 439714)
You're right, really you could accomplish the job with a F350, a small pump with CAFS. So we're talking like 200 Gallons of water and 15 gallons worth of Foam and a compliment of rescue tools. The GTR is quick but can't really be described as a quick attack pumper. Once you get some man power there and working it will buy enough time for a larger rescue truck to get on scene. I don't know much more about the ring aside from it being in Germany but I would guess there has to be some hydrants throughout the course. But if there isn’t any we’re just talking a car fire and an engine can’t be that much further behind bringing more than enough water. The only time you’ll run into a water supply issue is if you have a large pileup and everything is burning. So yes the GTR is a little impractical as a firefighting vehicle, but it’s still a pretty cool little set up. I don’t think I’ll be pressing my chief to run off and talk to the town into buying one.

Agree with everything you said except CAFS. It is over rated!!!

chuckd05 03-12-2010 11:18 AM

its a good idea... especially for highway car accidents... maybe not a gtr but a g35 sedan or something of that nature.. where you can incorporate a large amount of water/foam into a quick agile vehicle..

if the money if there to burn, let people burn it... I like the idea , I just wouldnt use a GTR for it..


i think its pretty cool though

RandyJamesA 03-12-2010 11:21 AM

This thing is just an illegitimate toy with an identity crisis and a superhero complex.

DooDooBrown 03-12-2010 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuckd05 (Post 441805)
its a good idea... especially for highway car accidents... maybe not a gtr but a g35 sedan or something of that nature.. where you can incorporate a large amount of water/foam into a quick agile vehicle..

if the money if there to burn, let people burn it... I like the idea , I just wouldnt use a GTR for it..


i think its pretty cool though

Not really.... By the time you incorperate the water, tools, etc needed to actually respond to an incident, the car is going to weigh several hundred, if not a couple thousand pounds more... It just isn't worth it... Yes, it is cool, but it is pointless from an emergency response standpoint.

Paul_S 03-12-2010 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyJamesA (Post 441809)
This thing is just an illegitimate toy with an identity crisis and a superhero complex.

Yeh, I want one too! :tup:

fullmonty 03-12-2010 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DooDooBrown (Post 441797)
Agree with everything you said except CAFS. It is over rated!!!

Out of my station our Engine has CAFS, and has worked great on both car fires and structures, I wouldn't call it overrated. Granted I would not recommend spraying foam on a building that’s fully involved right away because I don't see any effect from it. But for car fires it has worked really great and for room and contents fires its worked pretty good. It doesn't do anything water can't do though.

DooDooBrown 03-12-2010 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullmonty (Post 442359)
Out of my station our Engine has CAFS, and has worked great on both car fires and structures, I wouldn't call it overrated. Granted I would not recommend spraying foam on a building that’s fully involved right away because I don't see any effect from it. But for car fires it has worked really great and for room and contents fires its worked pretty good. It doesn't do anything water can't do though.

Disagree. My department just purchased 40 new engines, all of which where outfitted with CAFS. Just recieved a directive from the higher ups telling us not to use, as its effects are minimal, and the costs are too great. Sure, it works a little better than water on car fires, but there is no justification for spending the extra money. Not to mention the compressors themselves have proved to be a nightmare. Didn't really like them either, because the hoselines would kink too easily..... Whats wrong with water? We have used it for the past 300 years and it has done fine....

fullmonty 03-13-2010 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DooDooBrown (Post 442825)
Disagree. My department just purchased 40 new engines, all of which where outfitted with CAFS. Just recieved a directive from the higher ups telling us not to use, as its effects are minimal, and the costs are too great. Sure, it works a little better than water on car fires, but there is no justification for spending the extra money. Not to mention the compressors themselves have proved to be a nightmare. Didn't really like them either, because the hoselines would kink too easily..... Whats wrong with water? We have used it for the past 300 years and it has done fine....

Trust me I'm not a big CAFS fanboy, but I don't mind it. And to have a quick attack pumper like for a race track in this case I think it would be beneficial. Have I ever had trouble with water? No. Have a I had trouble with CAFS? Actually yes, but not while we were putting it on a fire. I can't believe that they bought 40 engines with CAFS, at $100 per 5 gal. Bucket, and 40 gallons per apparatus, the costs associated with it all are incredible, while water for all intents and purposes is free. If flames are out the roof, putting foam on the fire is a big waste, but for a room and contents its works pretty well. I could get the same results by putting water on it, it just maybe a few gallons more. Different strokes for different folks I guess.


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