dead stop from 2nd

konsol · 03-09-2010, 05:57 AM

I'm new to manuals but coming along pretty well, but is there a negative to keeping it in 2nd at a stoplight, a friend of mine says as long as there's enough power it doesn't hurt it any way. True statement?

Vegitto-kun · 03-09-2010, 06:03 AM

its not really bad just a little bit harder to start than in first.

Matt · 03-09-2010, 06:12 AM

I'm not sure I'm reading this correctly. You can come to a stop in any gear, so long as the clutch is depressed. I hardly ever come to a stop in 1st gear, unless I simply having shifted out of it (neighborhood stop signs, etc.).

If you mean starting in 2nd from a completely stop, it is not recommended.

Mike@Blackline · 03-09-2010, 06:36 AM

theres no way you will be able to start it from second without burning your clutch more than you would by starting in first, even if it is fractional amount, it'll add up in the end

Jeffblue · 03-09-2010, 06:54 AM

i thought people do this when driving in snow or very slippery surfaces? AK does this in his snow video at 0:42

Mike@Blackline · 03-09-2010, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

i thought people do this when driving in snow or very slippery surfaces? AK does this in his snow video at 0:42

it helps for that kind of situation because since the gearing is so much higher for your first gear, if you start from first in snow, ice, or even rain for high-HP cars, you're just going to spin the wheels. but for normal dry conditions, theres no reason to start in 2nd

Jeffblue · 03-09-2010, 07:23 AM

so you're not wearing your clutch starting in 2nd in the snow... but if you do it dry you are? what makes this so?

gh0st3794 · 03-09-2010, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

so you're not wearing your clutch starting in 2nd in the snow... but if you do it dry you are? what makes this so?

The snow decreases traction, so most likely you won't bog down when starting in 2nd, meaning you'll have to slip the clutch less than if you were starting in 2nd in the dry.

Jeffblue · 03-09-2010, 07:40 AM

i see. thanks. Well i wont have to worry about that till next winter

vipor · 03-09-2010, 08:07 AM

Starting in 2nd is pretty easy in these cars, just need to give it 1500-2k rpm instead of 1k-1500 (give or take)

m4a1mustang · 03-09-2010, 08:11 AM

You can do it, but there's no reason to. It's going to be harder on the clutch than in first.

BTW -- this reminds me of Jeremy Clarkson going from 0-170ish in a Z06... in 6th gear only.

kannibul · 03-09-2010, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by konsol

I'm new to manuals but coming along pretty well, but is there a negative to keeping it in 2nd at a stoplight, a friend of mine says as long as there's enough power it doesn't hurt it any way. True statement?

Depends if you like your clutch or not.

kannibul · 03-09-2010, 08:16 AM

And, driving in snow, starting in 1st is still the better choice. Feather the clutch a bit and don't use the gas.

That said, the car has VDC, use it, and it should get some traction...except it might break both loose and then you're spinning.

Me, I just kick it to 4WD and hit hte gas and I'm off, but then again, I don't drive my Z in the winter.

$40,000 car in a ditch, or side-skipping into a curb, or spinning around the wrong way on an interstate ramp...sure sounds good, doesn't it?

$800 POS in a ditch, hitting a curb, or spinning around the wrong way on an interstate ramp - sounds a lot better, doesn't it?

It's like those people around here that drive a corvette in winter...I don't get it.

Lloydy · 03-09-2010, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by vipor

Starting in 2nd is pretty easy in these cars, just need to give it 1500-2k rpm instead of 1k-1500 (give or take)

IDZRVIT · 03-09-2010, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by kannibul

It's like those people around here that drive a corvette in winter...I don't get it.

And you probably won't. Can you imagine someone driving a '67 427 vette in the winter? Well, back in the day guess what? Remember, for a lot of us it's only a car.

03-09-2010, 05:57 AM	#1 (permalink)
konsol Base Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: moorpark Posts: 22 Drives: accord Rep Power: 16	dead stop from 2nd I'm new to manuals but coming along pretty well, but is there a negative to keeping it in 2nd at a stoplight, a friend of mine says as long as there's enough power it doesn't hurt it any way. True statement?

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Matt A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Augusta, GA Age: 42 Posts: 1,680 Drives: 2010 Avalanche LT Rep Power: 19	I'm not sure I'm reading this correctly. You can come to a stop in any gear, so long as the clutch is depressed. I hardly ever come to a stop in 1st gear, unless I simply having shifted out of it (neighborhood stop signs, etc.). If you mean starting in 2nd from a completely stop, it is not recommended. __________________ "Any man who can drive a 370z while kissing a pretty girl is simply not giving the Z the attention it deserves." Albert Einstein....modified.

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Mike@Blackline Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: USA Posts: 390 Drives: Z Rep Power: 296	theres no way you will be able to start it from second without burning your clutch more than you would by starting in first, even if it is fractional amount, it'll add up in the end __________________ Current Alliance BBK Sale, FREE PC Option, 370Z DiscountCLICK HERE for info!

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	You can do it, but there's no reason to. It's going to be harder on the clutch than in first. BTW -- this reminds me of Jeremy Clarkson going from 0-170ish in a Z06... in 6th gear only. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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Vegitto-kun A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: USA Posts: 2,011 Drives: 09 370Z Rep Power: 263	its not really bad just a little bit harder to start than in first.

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Jeffblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: NY Age: 36 Posts: 9,192 Drives: Z32TT & 335xi Coupe Rep Power: 38	i thought people do this when driving in snow or very slippery surfaces? AK does this in his snow video at 0:42

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Jeffblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: NY Age: 36 Posts: 9,192 Drives: Z32TT & 335xi Coupe Rep Power: 38	so you're not wearing your clutch starting in 2nd in the snow... but if you do it dry you are? what makes this so?

03-09-2010, 07:40 AM	#9 (permalink)
Jeffblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: NY Age: 36 Posts: 9,192 Drives: Z32TT & 335xi Coupe Rep Power: 38	i see. thanks. Well i wont have to worry about that till next winter

03-09-2010, 08:16 AM	#13 (permalink)
kannibul A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Jenks, OK Posts: 2,281 Drives: 370z Touring/Sport Rep Power: 267	And, driving in snow, starting in 1st is still the better choice. Feather the clutch a bit and don't use the gas. That said, the car has VDC, use it, and it should get some traction...except it might break both loose and then you're spinning. Me, I just kick it to 4WD and hit hte gas and I'm off, but then again, I don't drive my Z in the winter. $40,000 car in a ditch, or side-skipping into a curb, or spinning around the wrong way on an interstate ramp...sure sounds good, doesn't it? $800 POS in a ditch, hitting a curb, or spinning around the wrong way on an interstate ramp - sounds a lot better, doesn't it? It's like those people around here that drive a corvette in winter...I don't get it.

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