Nismo Accident Pics -- Very Sad

IDZRVIT · 02-23-2010, 07:42 AM

Nah, it's not the fault of the VDC being on or off, it's Newton's fault. Him and his dang laws of physics. Disobey the law and you're done!

NyCSnEaK · 02-23-2010, 07:42 AM

1 Son. Stay down in bmore.

semtex · 02-23-2010, 08:07 AM

It's incidents like this that may convince car manufacturers to not even allow for VDC to be turned off in future models. Indeed, I believe there are already some cars in production that don't really allow for traction control to be fully disengaged, even after you've hit the button to turn it off. It's a shame that it only takes a few rotten apples to ruin things for everyone else.

spearfish25 · 02-23-2010, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

a failed attempt at a drift. You know how all the kids are out trying to drift these days!

Bingo! I'd put money on it. That's why most teenie boppers are turning off VDC to begin with.

NIZMOZ · 02-23-2010, 08:48 AM

He deleted all his previous posts. LOL!

m4a1mustang · 02-23-2010, 09:05 AM

That really sucks. All he had to do was admit his mistake, learn from it, and move on.

RCZ · 02-23-2010, 09:16 AM

forums can be a harsh place....mistakes? we don't allow mistakes here. Crash your car? well you better come in here and apologize.

kannibul · 02-23-2010, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Modshack

VDC off huh?...

Thanks for keeping my insurance rates high or raising them even more

Fixed....

NYBladeZ · 02-23-2010, 09:28 AM

Another one bites the dust....hopefully wherever he is, he's not naive to think that this is a quick 2 week fix. I wish it something they told you when you buy a Nismo, "If anything happens please be aware that replacement parts are always delayed and on back order." I know I flamed him through and through, but come on you're telling me that your friend turned it off the night before, what's next your mom turning VDC off?

kannibul · 02-23-2010, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

My 3 guesses.

1) Came in too fast, jumped off the gas, unsettled the rear, swung around and went over the curb.

2) Cooked the corner, understeered into and over the the curb.

3) Came around a corner too fast, rear slid out, he freaked out and counter steered waaaay too much, swung out the other way and hopped over the curve.

How do you resolve #1, other than not coming in too hot?

m4a1mustang · 02-23-2010, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by kannibul

How do you resolve #1, other than not coming in too hot?

Usually it's just damage control.

In road racing... just try to keep the car under control and keep it on track... if you go into the grass well then keep your cool and get back on. You'll notice that sometimes if a driver knows he's gone in too deep he will just keep going straight IF there is runoff or an access road.

In NASCAR... SLOWLY ease off the gas, ease up off the steering, and use enough brake to keep the car under control and let the car move on up the track (you are trying to maximize available grip to contribute to braking)... hopefully you'll have scrubbed enough speed to keep it off the wall.

On the street this is hard because you usually can't go off the road without encountering a curb or some other obstacle.

antman22 · 02-23-2010, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by kannibul

How do you resolve #1, other than not coming in too hot?

scream like a little girl and hold onto your balls.

or follow what m4a1mustang said.

FuszNissan · 02-23-2010, 10:11 AM

Don't let off the gas.

kannibul · 02-23-2010, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Usually it's just damage control.

In road racing... just try to keep the car under control and keep it on track... if you go into the grass well then keep your cool and get back on. You'll notice that sometimes if a driver knows he's gone in too deep he will just keep going straight IF there is runoff or an access road.

In NASCAR... SLOWLY ease off the gas, ease up off the steering, and use enough brake to keep the car under control and let the car move on up the track (you are trying to maximize available grip to contribute to braking)... hopefully you'll have scrubbed enough speed to keep it off the wall.

On the street this is hard because you usually can't go off the road without encountering a curb or some other obstacle.

Yeah, I remember from my MSF course, that traction is a pie chart, where changes to the vehicle "eat" part of that pie chart. Basically, if you're cornering and this consumes 50% of your available traction, then you have up to 50% available for accelleration or braking.

From this, I gathered that coming in too hot, I'd straighten up and use 100% for braking, then turn.

I was going from the perspective that if you're coming into the corner too hot - say at 90% traction, and you let off, the car will use that remaining 10% just on engine braking....(examples, not hard numbers!) - you touch the brakes and you're screwed. If you're still too hot, you're kissing grass/wall/curb.

m4a1mustang · 02-23-2010, 10:24 AM

Yeah, you have to do everything you can to straighten the trajectory of the car out so you can brake most effectively. Exactly how you do it depends on the setup of the car... some are very tail happy off throttle, some get twitchy under braking... etc.

02-23-2010, 07:42 AM	#61 (permalink)
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02-23-2010, 08:07 AM	#63 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 32	It's incidents like this that may convince car manufacturers to not even allow for VDC to be turned off in future models. Indeed, I believe there are already some cars in production that don't really allow for traction control to be fully disengaged, even after you've hit the button to turn it off. It's a shame that it only takes a few rotten apples to ruin things for everyone else. __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

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02-23-2010, 09:05 AM	#66 (permalink)
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02-23-2010, 09:28 AM	#69 (permalink)
NYBladeZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New York Posts: 2,158 Drives: Lotus Exige S Rep Power: 20	Another one bites the dust....hopefully wherever he is, he's not naive to think that this is a quick 2 week fix. I wish it something they told you when you buy a Nismo, "If anything happens please be aware that replacement parts are always delayed and on back order." I know I flamed him through and through, but come on you're telling me that your friend turned it off the night before, what's next your mom turning VDC off? __________________ 2009 Carbon Fiber/Red 370z aka Trish: Sports Package, Meisterschaft full catback, Fast Intentions Longtube Headers, Injen Long Tube Intakes, UpRev Tune: Sold 2008 Lotus Exige S Club Racer aka Bella, always leaves me smiling

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NyCSnEaK Base Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 44 Drives: 007 Z Rep Power: 16	1 Son. Stay down in bmore.

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RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1119	forums can be a harsh place....mistakes? we don't allow mistakes here. Crash your car? well you better come in here and apologize.

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02-23-2010, 10:24 AM	#75 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	Yeah, you have to do everything you can to straighten the trajectory of the car out so you can brake most effectively. Exactly how you do it depends on the setup of the car... some are very tail happy off throttle, some get twitchy under braking... etc. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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