Nismo Accident Pics -- Very Sad

zinistr · 02-22-2010, 08:59 PM

I had three 300zx Z32s before getting the Nismo 370z...there's no such thing as VDC.

I can romp around in my 600hp 300zx TT (sans VDC) and still haven't had an accident. These accidents come from driver error or adverse conditions...typically the former.

Glad you're not injured...car's can be fixed or replaced. Just be careful until you get to know your Z.

onekneedown · 02-22-2010, 09:20 PM

I had a BMW M3 with mods and a lot more power prior to the 370z. I took it to a car control clinic and had a blast. As I was getting ready to take my turn on the throttle steering exercise, I reached to turn off the nanny function (VDC by another acronym). The instructor said I didn't need to because the stability control would allow plenty of aggressive driving before it kicked in. Sure enough both me and the instructor took several turns at throttle steering at pretty aggressive pace and I never felt the nanny kick in. So I'm a little skeptical when some one says, "I crashed my car, VDC was off," as if that was the only variable preventing a mangled machine. Maybe saying "crashed my car, my brain was disengaged" would be more accurate.

kdoske · 02-22-2010, 09:29 PM

^

harsh...

RCZ · 02-22-2010, 09:35 PM

My 3 guesses.

1) Came in too fast, jumped off the gas, unsettled the rear, swung around and went over the curb.

2) Cooked the corner, understeered into and over the the curb.

3) Came around a corner too fast, rear slid out, he freaked out and counter steered waaaay too much, swung out the other way and hopped over the curve.

kannibul · 02-23-2010, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

My 3 guesses.

1) Came in too fast, jumped off the gas, unsettled the rear, swung around and went over the curb.

2) Cooked the corner, understeered into and over the the curb.

3) Came around a corner too fast, rear slid out, he freaked out and counter steered waaaay too much, swung out the other way and hopped over the curve.

How do you resolve #1, other than not coming in too hot?

m4a1mustang · 02-23-2010, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by kannibul

How do you resolve #1, other than not coming in too hot?

Usually it's just damage control.

In road racing... just try to keep the car under control and keep it on track... if you go into the grass well then keep your cool and get back on. You'll notice that sometimes if a driver knows he's gone in too deep he will just keep going straight IF there is runoff or an access road.

In NASCAR... SLOWLY ease off the gas, ease up off the steering, and use enough brake to keep the car under control and let the car move on up the track (you are trying to maximize available grip to contribute to braking)... hopefully you'll have scrubbed enough speed to keep it off the wall.

On the street this is hard because you usually can't go off the road without encountering a curb or some other obstacle.

kannibul · 02-23-2010, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Usually it's just damage control.

In road racing... just try to keep the car under control and keep it on track... if you go into the grass well then keep your cool and get back on. You'll notice that sometimes if a driver knows he's gone in too deep he will just keep going straight IF there is runoff or an access road.

In NASCAR... SLOWLY ease off the gas, ease up off the steering, and use enough brake to keep the car under control and let the car move on up the track (you are trying to maximize available grip to contribute to braking)... hopefully you'll have scrubbed enough speed to keep it off the wall.

On the street this is hard because you usually can't go off the road without encountering a curb or some other obstacle.

Yeah, I remember from my MSF course, that traction is a pie chart, where changes to the vehicle "eat" part of that pie chart. Basically, if you're cornering and this consumes 50% of your available traction, then you have up to 50% available for accelleration or braking.

From this, I gathered that coming in too hot, I'd straighten up and use 100% for braking, then turn.

I was going from the perspective that if you're coming into the corner too hot - say at 90% traction, and you let off, the car will use that remaining 10% just on engine braking....(examples, not hard numbers!) - you touch the brakes and you're screwed. If you're still too hot, you're kissing grass/wall/curb.

antman22 · 02-23-2010, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by kannibul

How do you resolve #1, other than not coming in too hot?

scream like a little girl and hold onto your balls.

or follow what m4a1mustang said.

Spec Jay · 02-22-2010, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mdbrich

Number 3, Throw a dog in the road. And the fact I let a buddy drive it the night before. And Didn't realize he turned VDC off until I hit the curb. Otherwise I would have nailed the dog Knowing that.

i was about to defend you from the flamers till i saw this.

vdc defaults back on every time you turn on the car.

FuszNissan · 02-22-2010, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mdbrich

And the fact I let a buddy drive it the night before. And Didn't realize he turned VDC off until I hit the curb.

VDC is always active when you start your car.

m4a1mustang · 02-22-2010, 09:39 PM

Or just lost it accelerating in a straight line...

RCZ · 02-22-2010, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Or just lost it accelerating in a straight line...

m4a1mustang · 02-22-2010, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

I'm serious! With VDC off I could totally see someone panicking and losing the car in a straight line.

m4a1mustang · 02-22-2010, 09:46 PM

Anyways, my guess would be making a left turn onto the access road at a good clip, a little too much throttle on exit... he tries to correct but the back end swings around and the car makes a half spin to the left, the right rear making contact with the curb first.

OR a failed attempt at a drift. You know how all the kids are out trying to drift these days!

spearfish25 · 02-23-2010, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

a failed attempt at a drift. You know how all the kids are out trying to drift these days!

Bingo! I'd put money on it. That's why most teenie boppers are turning off VDC to begin with.

02-22-2010, 08:59 PM	#1 (permalink)
zinistr Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Chardon, Ohio Posts: 127 Drives: 2009 Nismo - Silver Rep Power: 16	I had three 300zx Z32s before getting the Nismo 370z...there's no such thing as VDC. I can romp around in my 600hp 300zx TT (sans VDC) and still haven't had an accident. These accidents come from driver error or adverse conditions...typically the former. Glad you're not injured...car's can be fixed or replaced. Just be careful until you get to know your Z. __________________ 1970 Datsun 240z (HLS #201) & '71 240z "Zuns Z" 1991 300zx TT 'ZINISTR' & '93 300zx Vert TT "MASTR" 1994 300zx Vert 'BREEZZY' & 1995 300zx Z32 Coupe 2009 NISMO Edition 370Z, Silver #196

02-22-2010, 09:39 PM	#11 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	Or just lost it accelerating in a straight line... __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

02-22-2010, 09:46 PM	#14 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	Anyways, my guess would be making a left turn onto the access road at a good clip, a little too much throttle on exit... he tries to correct but the back end swings around and the car makes a half spin to the left, the right rear making contact with the curb first. OR a failed attempt at a drift. You know how all the kids are out trying to drift these days! __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook! Last edited by m4a1mustang; 02-22-2010 at 09:52 PM.

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02-22-2010, 09:20 PM	#2 (permalink)
onekneedown Base Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Norcal Posts: 33 Drives: 2009-370z-PG-M6 Rep Power: 16	I had a BMW M3 with mods and a lot more power prior to the 370z. I took it to a car control clinic and had a blast. As I was getting ready to take my turn on the throttle steering exercise, I reached to turn off the nanny function (VDC by another acronym). The instructor said I didn't need to because the stability control would allow plenty of aggressive driving before it kicked in. Sure enough both me and the instructor took several turns at throttle steering at pretty aggressive pace and I never felt the nanny kick in. So I'm a little skeptical when some one says, "I crashed my car, VDC was off," as if that was the only variable preventing a mangled machine. Maybe saying "crashed my car, my brain was disengaged" would be more accurate.

02-22-2010, 09:29 PM	#3 (permalink)
kdoske Track Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Louisiana Posts: 541 Drives: 800whp Unicorn FI Z Rep Power: 17	^ harsh...

02-22-2010, 09:35 PM	#4 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1119	My 3 guesses. 1) Came in too fast, jumped off the gas, unsettled the rear, swung around and went over the curb. 2) Cooked the corner, understeered into and over the the curb. 3) Came around a corner too fast, rear slid out, he freaked out and counter steered waaaay too much, swung out the other way and hopped over the curve.