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Zof9i6 02-09-2010 08:34 AM

new car buying in 09 income tax thingy
 
just finish doing my income tax
for the new car buying in 09 income tax thing
i file single and no dependents and i get only about $300 more difference
just wonderin how much difference some of you guys be getting?

vipor 02-09-2010 08:56 AM

Haven't filed yet..

PapoZalsa 02-09-2010 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by vipor (Post 394230)
Haven't filed yet..

:iagree:

OldGuy 02-09-2010 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Zof9i6 (Post 394209)
just finish doing my income tax
for the new car buying in 09 income tax thing
i file single and no dependents and i get only about $300 more difference
just wonderin how much difference some of you guys be getting?

Depends on one's taxable income, which determines his bracket, which will determine the amount of actual tax savings. Still a worthwhile benefit and incentive to purchase.

vipor 02-09-2010 09:29 AM

I just read that you can claim the sales tax on a new car on top of the standard deduction. Hopefully I get some extra monies.

antman22 02-09-2010 09:53 AM

from what i've read, i think they allow you to deduct the tax paid from your taxable income so you are taxed on less, which would yield you a better return. unfortunately they dont pay you the sales tax back :( some is better than none i guess.

import111 02-09-2010 12:45 PM

$200 difference for me.

Shift 02-09-2010 12:50 PM

Something is better than nothing, with that said we bought two new cars this year. heading to the tax man this weekend.

molamann 02-09-2010 12:54 PM

Cpa prepared my return already... forgot to mention the Z. He's not going to be happy. :S

kannibul 02-09-2010 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by vipor (Post 394257)
I just read that you can claim the sales tax on a new car on top of the standard deduction. Hopefully I get some extra monies.

In a sense, that's how it works.

It increases your deductions, making your taxable income less, then your taxes are based off that lowered income, and compared against what you paid.

OldGuy 02-09-2010 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by antman22 (Post 394300)
from what i've read, i think they allow you to deduct the tax paid from your taxable income so you are taxed on less, which would yield you a better return. unfortunately they dont pay you the sales tax back :( some is better than none i guess.

Right. The energy efficiency home improvements create a tax credit. This is only an income tax deduction for the amount of the sales tax paid.

kannibul 02-09-2010 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OldGuy (Post 394256)
Depends on one's taxable income, which determines his bracket, which will determine the amount of actual tax savings. Still a worthwhile benefit and incentive to purchase.

Actually, the deduction itself is the same...based on a formula. If you make something like 250K/yr or more, then it's pro-rated. Same if the vehicle price is over a given amount.


The final outcome on your taxes depends on what you paid in, your tax bracket, etc, just as before - just now you can deduct the tax paid on the vehicle.

vipor 02-09-2010 01:59 PM

Maybe since I bought a car that's supposed to be way out of my price range I'll get more back :D Here's hoping taking a pay cut to help out a start up company actually helps me somehow...

antman22 02-09-2010 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by vipor (Post 394622)
Maybe since I bought a car that's supposed to be way out of my price range I'll get more back :D Here's hoping taking a pay cut to help out a start up company actually helps me somehow...

put an ad on your car and write it off as a business expense: "company vehicle"

:D

if that works, you owe me a beer!

zentropy 02-09-2010 02:16 PM

Mine was about $300-$400. Don't recall exactly, but hey every little bit counts. I just barely made it, did the paperwork on mine 12/30/09.

racerxj17 02-09-2010 02:49 PM

mine was 980.....:tup:

vipor 02-09-2010 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by racerxj17 (Post 394712)
mine was 980.....:tup:

Total refund or just the tax credit from buying your car?

racerxj17 02-09-2010 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by vipor (Post 394717)
Total refund or just the tax credit from buying your car?

tax credit......went from 1800 to 2680 after i entered my car..... turbo tax...

kannibul 02-09-2010 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by racerxj17 (Post 394719)
tax credit......went from 1800 to 2680 after i entered my car..... turbo tax...

You're doing something wrong, unless you make very little income and it just basically knocked out on your federal.


There is no tax credit for buying a car. It's a deduction. Perhaps you're taking into account the Making Work Pay tax credit where you weren't before?

$400 ind / $800 couple

dad 02-09-2010 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kannibul (Post 394763)
You're doing something wrong, unless you make very little income and it just basically knocked out on your federal.


There is no tax credit for buying a car. It's a deduction. Perhaps you're taking into account the Making Work Pay tax credit where you weren't before?

$400 ind / $800 couple

I agree, something may not be right! That's a sizeable jump there!

SophiaZ 02-09-2010 04:22 PM

Wait...you'll get more tax money if you bought a new car in 09? I may have misread this thread. If so...Oops never mind haha

vipor 02-09-2010 04:30 PM

The deduction is limited to the state and local sales and excise taxes paid on up to $49,500 of the purchase price of a qualified new foreign or domestic cars, SUV's, light trucks, motor homes or motorcycles that weigh no more than 8,500 pounds. You can still buy a qualifying vehicle for more than $49,500 (e.g a $80,000 BMW per a commenter's question below), but you will only get a tax deduction up to the specified limit.

The deduction is only available to families making less than $260,000 (or $135,000 for single filers). It is phased out for taxpayers whose modified adjusted gross income is between $125,000 and $135,000 for individual filers and between $250,000 and $260,000 for joint filers.

The new vehicle must be purchased on or after Feb. 17, 2009, and before Jan. 1, 2010, to qualify for the deduction. Purchases before Feb. 17, 2009, are not eligible for this special deduction.

How to claim the tax deduction : The deduction is available regardless of whether a taxpayer itemizes deductions on their return (Schedule A). The deduction cannot be taken on 2008 tax returns (even if they are amended or filed late), so must be claimed when they file their 2009 returns in 2010. Also, unlike other tax credits in the economic stimulus package this tax break is not an offset to your federal taxes (i.e. a tax credit), it is a deduction against your taxable income. Taxpayers who take the standard deduction need to complete Schedule L and attach it to tax forms 1040 or Form 1040A to increase the standard deduction by the allowable amount of state or local sales or excise taxes paid on the purchase of the new vehicle. Also, check the box on line 40b on Form 1040 or line 24b on Form 1040A. Individuals who itemize should include the allowable amount of state or local sales or excise taxes from the purchase of the vehicle on Form 1040, Schedule A.

To illustrate the above tax deduction, consider the following example from a commenter. The average new car purchase price the first 11 months of last year was $28,280, and the average used car trade-in value was $15,203, according to data from the National Automobile Dealers Association.

States typically tax the difference — $13,077 in this case. So a 5% sales tax rate would be $654, meaning the deduction would reduce taxable income that much. Each state has a different car sales tax, so the deduction will vary by state.

States without new car sales tax: The IRS and treasury have recently determined that purchases made in states without a sales tax – such as Alaska, Delaware, Hawaii, Montana, New Hampshire and Oregon – can also qualify for the new car tax deduction. The IRS stated taxpayers who purchase a new motor vehicle in states that do not have state sales taxes are entitled to deduct other fees or taxes imposed by the state or local government. The fees or taxes that qualify must be assessed on the purchase of the vehicle and must be based on the vehicle’s sales price or as a per unit fee.

“This special tax break is available for people purchasing a new car this year, and that can include people in states without a sales tax,” said IRS Commissioner Doug Shulman. “This means that more people can take advantage of this deduction when they file their tax returns next year.” To qualify for this deduction, the vehicle must be purchased after Feb. 16, 2009, and before Jan. 1, 2010. Taxpayers can claim this special deduction only on their 2009 tax returns to be filed next year.

SophiaZ 02-09-2010 04:45 PM

D*mn, missed it by 2 weeks :(

kannibul 02-09-2010 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by vipor (Post 394844)
, and before Jan. 1, 2010. Taxpayers can claim this special deduction only on their 2009 tax returns to be filed next year.

..and I bought my truck on Jan 2 2010. Oh well.

Needed new truck. Old truck dying.

PapoZalsa 02-09-2010 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dad (Post 394775)
I agree, something may not be right! That's a sizeable jump there!

The IRS is going to catch that with no problem. ;)

Dwight Frye 02-09-2010 08:31 PM

I used TurboTax also but don't remember the difference the deduction made. All I know is that I live in California and the sales tax went up 1% right before I bought my car and the registration almost doubled. I didn't get squat from this mismanaged state and even if i only got $1 more from the Feds it would be worth it to keep my money out of the hands of the Kleptocrats who are ruining the country.

DIGItonium 02-09-2010 10:35 PM

~$400 here... not bad, it all goes back into savings anyhow. :tup:

VinZ 02-10-2010 03:33 AM

What do u need to prove u bought a car or motorcycle in 09 when filing? The sales receipt? I bought 2 cars and a motorcycle last year.

dszombiex 02-10-2010 11:35 AM

I got around $600.

kannibul 02-10-2010 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by VinZ (Post 395714)
What do u need to prove u bought a car or motorcycle in 09 when filing? The sales receipt? I bought 2 cars and a motorcycle last year.

You don't have to send anything in, but whatever proof you have you better keep for 7 years in case you get audited.

vipor 02-10-2010 12:14 PM

Pretty sure it's 3 years for personal taxes.

Nikon FM 02-10-2010 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vipor (Post 394844)
The new vehicle must be purchased on or after Feb. 17, 2009, and before Jan. 1, 2010, to qualify for the deduction. Purchases before Feb. 17, 2009, are not eligible for this special deduction.

Thanks for posting the information!........... but the quoted part bites. I too missed this by a few weeks.

BlackCherryZ 02-10-2010 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by vipor (Post 394844)
To qualify for this deduction, the vehicle must be purchased after Feb. 16, 2009, and before Jan. 1, 2010. Taxpayers can claim this special deduction only on their 2009 tax returns to be filed next year.

i made the deal on the last wk of december, signed it on Januray 1, 2010, and got the car a wk later...........

so, technically i am not qualified for the deduction?

or can i claim it for next year..........?

JvKintheUSA 02-10-2010 05:34 PM

I did not know about the deduction discussed here - filing my taxes tomorrow. Bought a new car and a new house last year, so I'm expecting a big check from Uncle Sam in a few weeks. Thanks for sharing y'all!

alcorrea 02-10-2010 06:43 PM

I got $500 extra because of the new Z

Joseph B 02-11-2010 02:32 PM

Got mine 12/30/2009 too! Made few hundred dollar difference for taxes.

JvKintheUSA 02-11-2010 03:55 PM

I just did my taxes and deducted the sales tax - resulted in bigger IRS refund :happydance:


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