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dweedlebug 01-19-2009 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sensi09 (Post 21769)
A OEM turbo for the 370Z is a fantasy though. A turbo would push the price to 45-50K which I don't think would be profitable for Nissan.


I agree wholeheartedly. The competition/overlap that would happen between the GTR and the Z would not be good for either car. If Carlos knows his history, he won’t out-price the Z and kill it ….. again.

I see direct injection coming, but have no idea when. Of the USDM Nissan/Infinity line-up, do any current motors have D.I. now? What about the global offerings? It just seems like there isn’t much emphasis on it right now even though it’s a way to squeeze out power and efficiency.

With all that they’ve done to the motor, chassis, suspension, etc. to go from the 350Z to the 370Z, all I think we’ll see are varied offerings of limited interior/exterior trims, mild refreshing of random/inconsequential things, special badging/colors/configurations until this car exhausts it’s lifecycle. True to their past, I think they’ll run this car more or less identical to the way it is right now for the next 3 yrs and then “update” the motor with D.I. for it’s 4th production year and refine the aesthetics then.

I think the next Z will be totally re-designed from the ground up. Have some of the GTR bits/tech trickle down, consolidate the chassis platforms across even more models and toss in the newest N.A. bent 6 that has D.I.

Only time will tell …..

Nismo 370z 01-19-2009 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SnakeBitten (Post 21593)
Yeah and then the following year all the 370z will have the same upgrades thus diminishing the "40th Anniversary" specialness. Naw Nissan would never do that:icon17::stirthepot:

Lol they did that with the 06 models for the 350. It was basically a carry over of the 35th anniversary edition. But the 35th anniv model still holds more value than a standard 06.

Nismo 370z 01-19-2009 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dweedlebug (Post 21694)
As mentioned already/elsewhere, they introduce upgrades that then become standard on the subsequent model (The 35th Anniv. had the rev-up motor).

I just don't think they can do much more with the current VQ block.

Don't get me wrong, it's a hell of a thing, but what could they really do next?

V8? -- I don't think so.
Bore the 3.7? -- To what, 3.9 or more ... How much can this really yield?
Direct Injection? -- Usually an *easy* way to add HP, increase economy.
Forced Induction? -- Cost prohibitive (ie - the next 300zx in the making)
Stroke the 3.7/3.9+? -- a) I thought that's how they already got the extra .2l we're at now; b) We're spinning 7.5k rpm already; c) This aint a damn Honda, I want/like torque.


Well who knows. I mean Nissan did add and extra 13hp to the VQ35DE. Yeah the tq suffered but still people bought them. I mean if they can add an extra 10-20hp by adding direct injection or any other mild upgrades that would be pretty cool. But u are right...i dont see them adding a VK V8 or go FI with the Z. And I dont think we will see any factory bore/stroked VQ's until the next Z.

Nismo 370z 01-19-2009 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Crash (Post 21704)
LOL! You don't need an expensive clutch for anything 400 HP or less. :D

LS1 and LS2 cars all make more power than 330HP and they all have standard hydro-assist single clutches, and they were perfectly strong and easy to press.

When you start making 450+HP is when you may need a twin disc clutch. (And even then, not really)

Lol you dont even need an expensive clutch for more than 500hp. I dont know what kind of clutches the Z06 and ZR1 uses but im sure its the standard hydro assist type. Edit...just looked it up, its a twin disc. My bad

Nismo 370z 01-19-2009 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dweedlebug (Post 21785)
I agree wholeheartedly. The competition/overlap that would happen between the GTR and the Z would not be good for either car. If Carlos knows his history, he won’t out-price the Z and kill it ….. again.

I see direct injection coming, but have no idea when. Of the USDM Nissan/Infinity line-up, do any current motors have D.I. now? What about the global offerings? It just seems like there isn’t much emphasis on it right now even though it’s a way to squeeze out power and efficiency.

With all that they’ve done to the motor, chassis, suspension, etc. to go from the 350Z to the 370Z, all I think we’ll see are varied offerings of limited interior/exterior trims, mild refreshing of random/inconsequential things, special badging/colors/configurations until this car exhausts it’s lifecycle. True to their past, I think they’ll run this car more or less identical to the way it is right now for the next 3 yrs and then “update” the motor with D.I. for it’s 4th production year and refine the aesthetics then.

I think the next Z will be totally re-designed from the ground up. Have some of the GTR bits/tech trickle down, consolidate the chassis platforms across even more models and toss in the newest N.A. bent 6 that has D.I.

Only time will tell …..

Well said. Thats what im hoping for.

Nismo 370z 01-19-2009 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sbkim (Post 21754)
I meant DSG, SMG, PDK, or whatever you call those new fancy auto boxes. I mean come on VW Jetta and GTI has em.

Yeah but do u really need that? They shift fast but its more fun when u have the 3 pedals.;)

sirploppy 01-19-2009 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dweedlebug (Post 21666)
What engine, exactly?

IMHO -- I do not see them putting a V8 in these cars. The GTR motor is too limited in production. The VQ's of yore are smaller/less powerful.

The realistic options would be direct injection ASAP, then FI, maybe.

Yeah, the GT-R motor build process is way too labor intensive and was not meant for mass production:

Motoring J Style: Building the Nissan GTR engine - Inside the clean room.

I think direct injection is the next step with the VQ, will yield more economy and power.

FricFrac 01-19-2009 10:00 PM

I heard the G37 will be the G38 next year with a 3.8 similar to the GT-R with a different head I'm assuming because it won't have the turbos........ but that was from a salesman/avid G35 driver so who knows.... The Z typically is a year behind the G so if the 3.8 shows up in '10 we may see a 380Z in '11

Nismo 370z 01-20-2009 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by FricFrac (Post 21949)
I heard the G37 will be the G38 next year with a 3.8 similar to the GT-R with a different head I'm assuming because it won't have the turbos........ but that was from a salesman/avid G35 driver so who knows.... The Z typically is a year behind the G so if the 3.8 shows up in '10 we may see a 380Z in '11

I doubt they will add a 3.8l to the G37 since it was just launched last year. Generally local salesmen dont know what they are sayin and are just talking out of their @$$. Ive heard some crazy things from my local stealerships before about the 350z before it came out, the GTR and the 370.

Crash 01-20-2009 02:42 AM

Yeah, not to mention that they're not going to make all those 3.7L blocks just for 3 years of models. The 3.5 was around for a LONG time. The 3.7L is going to be around for AT LEAST 7 years. They'll make improvements to the heads, cams, timing, intake, exhaust, etc but the block will stay the same (unless a big flaw is found that needs to be corrected like GM did with the LS1). The 3.8L will be sold exclusively to the premium cars only for a while and again, those will just keep getting tweaked by Nissan, rather than boared out.

Nismo 370z 01-21-2009 01:29 AM

Nissan did stuff a 3.8l in the JDM Nismo 380rs. That engine made 350hp. It would be sweet if they offer it here for the Z.

JeepZen 01-21-2009 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Crash (Post 22032)
Yeah, not to mention that they're not going to make all those 3.7L blocks just for 3 years of models. The 3.5 was around for a LONG time.

I believe the VQ37HR is basically a VQ35HR with a longer stroke. I don't believe they are significantly different designs so I don't think you can assume that they need to get the same life out of the R&D for the two models. Having said that, I don't think Nissan has a need to upgrade the engine for several years to come anyway. The power-weight ration on the 370z is pretty awesome right now. Adding another 20-30HP isn't going to make the car significantly better or faster.

I would love to see them work out a DI version of it, but I think fuel economy would be a bigger selling point on that upgrade than the power boost. The VQ35XX/VQ37XX goes into a lot of vehicles besides the 370z and Nissan is going to get a much more value out of +3MPG than they are with +30HP. The bonus with DI is that you can get both. ;)

chief_Roka 09-25-2009 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dweedlebug (Post 21694)
As mentioned already/elsewhere, they introduce upgrades that then become standard on the subsequent model (The 35th Anniv. had the rev-up motor).

I just don't think they can do much more with the current VQ block.

Don't get me wrong, it's a hell of a thing, but what could they really do next?

V8? -- I don't think so.
Bore the 3.7? -- To what, 3.9 or more ... How much can this really yield?
Direct Injection? -- Usually an *easy* way to add HP, increase economy.
Forced Induction? -- Cost prohibitive (ie - the next 300zx in the making)
Stroke the 3.7/3.9+? -- a) I thought that's how they already got the extra .2l we're at now; b) We're spinning 7.5k rpm already; c) This aint a damn Honda, I want/like torque.

Yeah I don't think they are going to do anything but some badges, special paint n interior, and as far as mechanical.
I'm 100% sure u won't see a turbo.
Direct injection is to much reversion for a one year edition.
No boring.... how u gonna have a 3.9 litre 370z?
Exhaust tune? Slim chance but possible
What I see is not much at all.
Maybe an ecu tune n possibly some special short throw smooth shifter...possibly?
I think it won't be as special as the 350 with the extra 13hp.:iagree:

magoldbe 02-24-2010 03:51 PM

40th Anniversary Z is Here
 
My dealership has one, the first in the area. Only 1000 are being made. It is, basically, a 370 Z Touring Coupe with Sport Package along with custom colors and detailing. The package includes a special cover, medalions, red leather seats, and it's own unique silver-gray color.

In other words, the car is cosmetically special-edition, not mechanically.

Any of you in the Tysons Corner VA area are welcome to come by and see the car. It is really sharp looking.

Mark Goldberg
Rosenthal Nissan
703-255-5575

Jessica 02-24-2010 07:49 PM

My husband's dealership just got one yesterday. Gorgeous paint and wheel color. I would love to have those wheels on my PG Z.


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