Tickets!

Pharmacist

the point is not to see other cops get tickets, even though karma is a b!tch and it's good to see them taste their own medicine. the point is that they cost a lot of tax money to train and earn a lot of taxpayer funded salary, so they should be used for something that actually benefits society and gives them a return on investment. like fighting actual crime not to harass and inconvenience innocent people because of a little bit of speed.

as for those speed limits they are outdated and full of BS and you know it. they haven't been modernized in decades! it's nothing more than a money making business for the city, just to raise revenue for themselves. a whole industry designed just to fleece innocent people. all for money, money for the city, money for the courts, money for the paralegals that motorists hire to defend them, and even more money for the cops to cover their overtime pay for going to court. case in point, last year some low level constable with traffic enforcement over here was able to double his base salary from 80 to 160k in the year by racking up tons of overtime going to court dates. parking enforcement is also a similar scam. that too is all about fleecing people, and not facilitating parking.

as for the last part, maybe that's your attitude, but don't try and claim that other cops are like that. and don't try to convince me that many cops don't often wink wink nudge nudge when their off duty colleagues speed, run stop signs and red lights, violate traffic laws, etc....

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Pheonix

I have to interject here, and I'm sure Blue will too. If you've seen the kind of accidents, many of them fatal, caused by "a little bit of speed", you might reconsider. Then again, you probably wouldn't. The facts, since you like to play with those, show that speed enforcement does in fact save lives. It just so happens to generate revenue as well. Yes, its an inconvenience and a trifle for those who are pulled over between 1-5 mph over. That's irrelevant. Even if an accident isn't fatal, it can cause lasting damage all the same.

It is true that accidents will be caused by going the limit or going under as well; hence the term accident. But negligently speeding simply increased the odds. Outdated speed limits or not...if the majority of traffic is going the limit, and the at-fault is not...it doesn't matter how out-dated the speed limit is. He's still at-fault, and he was still speeding.

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Pharmacist

show evidence of that. any statistics or any studies or any expert opinion by engineers or any actual examples that show that speed enforcement reduces accidents or saves lives, or that accidents happen as a result of the sole reason that a driver was slightly speeding, absent any other mitigating factors like distracted driving, talking on a cell phone, drunk, failing to obey red lights, mechanical failure of the car, etc....

edit: and while we're at it, explain to me why is it that all the speed traps i see are:
- during the day when speeding is safer, not at night when speeding is more dangerous,
- when the sun is shining and the roads are dry and speeding is safer, not when it's foggy or raining or snowing when speeding is more dangerous
- when its a weekend or holiday when streets are empty and speeding is safer, not during rush hour when streets are crowded and speeding is more dangerous
- in wider more open sections of the roads where speeding is safer, and not in the narrower tigher sections where speeding is more dangerous

Basically, why is it that speed traps are set up where speeding is more likely, not where speeding is more dangerous

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blue660r01

Are you retarded?

Pharmacist

careful, it's usually the cops that are stereotyped as having low iq. i ask for evidence that speed traps reduce accidents and deaths, and this is the smartest you have to say great, so why are you here? you're not even part of the debate! so heed your own advice and go away unless you have something relevant to the debate

no i didn't get bashed back. and i didn't bother centering the car because i was late for work, and the lot is empty anyway. not sure how is any of that relevant to this discussion?

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blue660r01

Read this and stopped. Come to NYC and you will learn they got better things to worry about than speedin lol.