Convince me to get a Nismo 370z.

frost · 01-30-2010, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyDave

The spending justification has never been my issue during the course of the thread. Only the claim that Base/Sport is faster than a Nismo. Everyone has their own justification for spending what they do on various things throughout their lives. I don't feel that I need to justify what I spent on my car or anything else I've bought in my lifetime to you. That's my business. My complaint is with guys that try to generalize Nismo buyers as being ***** just because they bought a Nismo.

You're shifting direction on me mate; if you wanna argue with whoever said nismo owners are asses, I can go take a nap because that wasn't me.

You seem pretty defensive against me for saying that the price of the nismo doesn't justify the costs, but that's what this thread is about. The original poster said "I can't seem to justify the price difference between the models, especially when it's just a few bolt-on upgrades" which is exactly what my post is about. great for you that you don't feel the need to justify what you spent (likely because you can't) or that it's none of my business (which by the way you made it my business when you decided to post in this thread), but this thread is about convincing the OP that spending the money on the nismo is justifiable, which unless I missed something, no one can seem to be able to do.

You asked for proof that the nismo may be slower than the standard, I provided it, and now you want to go off in a rant to distract from it, but you're not pulling the wool over my eyes, my wife tries that trick all the time.

vipor · 01-30-2010, 03:19 PM

Base + Sport + Mats/Kicks/Aero = ~$32,200

Nismo + Mats/Kicks = ~$37,600

I AM A NISMO OWNER

$5,400 can easily buy some Coilovers, the Nismo bar package, exhaust, and a Cobb. That will be better than the Nismo.

I personally like the cosmetics and wheels, and the fact that it's "limited edition" (not really.) If I didn't feel that way I would've financed the same $40k-ish and gotten the parts I listed above plus an In-Dash, CAI, and headers.

EDIT: forgot about the oil cooler that I now have too.

frost · 01-30-2010, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frost

You're shifting direction on me mate; if you wanna argue with whoever said nismo owners are asses, I can go take a nap because that wasn't me.

You seem pretty defensive against me for saying that the price of the nismo doesn't justify the costs, but that's what this thread is about. The original poster said "I can't seem to justify the price difference between the models, especially when it's just a few bolt-on upgrades" which is exactly what my post is about. great for you that you don't feel the need to justify what you spent (likely because you can't) or that it's none of my business (which by the way you made it my business when you decided to post in this thread), but this thread is about convincing the OP that spending the money on the nismo is justifiable, which unless I missed something, no one can seem to be able to do.

You asked for proof that the nismo may be slower than the standard, I provided it, and now you want to go off in a rant to distract from it, but you're not pulling the wool over my eyes, my wife tries that trick all the time.

Just for fun (since I used to be an american muscle guy) I compared the Z to the vette as far as their track brands. If my math is off, feel free to correct me.
The nismo is 30-31% more expensive than the base Z. And for that extra cost, you get a 5% power increase. The z06 vette is 50% more than the base vette, but you get a 17% power increase (I wont even bother going into all the other goodies you get with a z06 to keep this simple). So, if the Z were to stay on par with this "lowly american brand," the nismo should either have more HP or cost less. And let's face it, the z06 is a real track car out of the box, and IMHO, the nismo is not.
I did this in percentage instead of actual dollars so no one could be distracted by the vette costing much more money.

frost · 01-30-2010, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vipor

Base + Sport + Mats/Kicks/Aero = ~$32,200

Nismo + Mats/Kicks = ~$37,600

I AM A NISMO OWNER

$5,400 can easily buy some Coilovers, the Nismo bar package, exhaust, and a Cobb. That will be better than the Nismo.

I personally like the cosmetics and wheels, and the fact that it's "limited edition" (not really.) If I didn't feel that way I would've financed the same $40k-ish and gotten the parts I listed above plus an In-Dash, CAI, and headers.

Vipor, you're the man. Because someone saying they spent the extra money because they wanted a limited edition car is the best answer anyone could give, because it's the only answer that actually makes sense.
I bought a camaro SS for example. It wasn't really that much more HP than the z28, but I paid the extra money for the exclusivity. And there is nothing wrong with that, until I try to convince people that the car is something that it was not.

FuszNissan · 01-30-2010, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frost

Just for fun (since I used to be an american muscle guy) I compared the Z to the vette as far as their track brands. If my math is off, feel free to correct me.
The nismo is 30-31% more expensive than the base Z. And for that extra cost, you get a 5% power increase. The z06 vette is 50% more than the base vette, but you get a 17% power increase (I wont even bother going into all the other goodies you get with a z06 to keep this simple). So, if the Z were to stay on par with this "lowly american brand," the nismo should either have more HP or cost less. And let's face it, the z06 is a real track car out of the box, and IMHO, the nismo is not.
I did this in percentage instead of actual dollars so no one could be distracted by the vette costing much more money.

That is a very good point. But I don't think Nissan wants to get the Z up in that price range again. That is why the 300ZX TT died. Got to expensive and the vette was the better deal at that price point. Different strokes for different folks. I think the Nismo is a great looking car, but as far as price to performance I would go with a Touring..IMO

vipor · 01-30-2010, 03:34 PM

People ALWAYS ask me if it's faster than a regular Z. I always tell them the truth. Theoretically, it's faster around a track, but it's the same in a straight line. Most of the people that ask about 1/4 mile times are domestic guys, but not all. It's a "track" car (sans oil cooler, pads, and better tires.)

I love the concept of a Base/Sport as it gets you what I would consider the "have-to-have" upgrades available with none of the fluff. SRM, VLSD, Brakes, 19"s.

If you want some fluff, then that's what the Touring is for. Leather, Bose, Heated Seats (in TX wtf?), Power Seats (in a 2-seater wtf?).

Get a NISMO if you're a fanboy (in a good way) and love having that "wtf is that?!" look when you pass people. Met one of my GF's coworker's husbands the other day and he actually thought it was a Porsche. I replied "almost, half the money, just as fast, and more reliable."

DirtyDave · 01-30-2010, 03:34 PM

Maybe you should go back and read a little more carefully, specifically where I said:

To the OP, if you're looking for the best value, I agree that the Base/Sport is the best bang for the buck. But I will also say that sometimes you have to go with your gut over your brain. Do what you think is right for you. That's all that matters.

Quote:

Originally Posted by frost

You're shifting direction on me mate; if you wanna argue with whoever said nismo owners are asses, I can go take a nap because that wasn't me.

You seem pretty defensive against me for saying that the price of the nismo doesn't justify the costs, but that's what this thread is about. The original poster said "I can't seem to justify the price difference between the models, especially when it's just a few bolt-on upgrades" which is exactly what my post is about. great for you that you don't feel the need to justify what you spent (likely because you can't) or that it's none of my business (which by the way you made it my business when you decided to post in this thread), but this thread is about convincing the OP that spending the money on the nismo is justifiable, which unless I missed something, no one can seem to be able to do.

You asked for proof that the nismo may be slower than the standard, I provided it, and now you want to go off in a rant to distract from it, but you're not pulling the wool over my eyes, my wife tries that trick all the time.

frost · 01-30-2010, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyDave

Maybe you should go back and read a little more carefully, specifically where I said:

To the OP, if you're looking for the best value, I agree that the Base/Sport is the best bang for the buck. But I will also say that sometimes you have to go with your gut over your brain. Do what you think is right for you. That's all that matters.

I see that post just fine, then I saw two of your post asking for proof about the base possibly being faster. I provided some proof, a couple hours later, here we are.

1slow370 · 01-30-2010, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370

And like i said some nismo guys are ok but i have talked to more than one that have seriously handed me the "but my cars a NISMO" line. You may not be a **** but you better damn well expect that there are guys who are. There are a lot of NISMO owners who still can't accept that they don't own the sport cars on the track (I can't blame you because you did pay for it to be able to do that) and it always causes arguements like this and when we post up proof it either gets shucked off hence bobo's post about the break in period which was used to discredit 2 different articles and it's totally BS, or you just say we are jealous and regret buying our cars and we're just being ornery when the thread is about trying to save someone from buying the NISMO thinking it has magic track speed.

exactly what i'm talking about

galtamar · 01-31-2010, 02:07 AM

I got a NISMO and was mostly because of its exterior look. So when I was factoring the price of it vs a Base/Sport w an AMUSE bodykit (or similar) plus some nice good quality rims and tires, the NISMO was the clear winner.

BLUESLATE · 01-31-2010, 02:14 AM

Save some dough now... and get the Amuse kit.

SoCal 370Z · 01-31-2010, 02:22 AM

A decade from now the factory Nismo will have more residual value than a standard Z. It's a unique factory model.

SE · 01-31-2010, 02:35 AM

wow this thread just exploded. i really didn't mean to stir anything up i swear!

so mainly i was trying to see what information i could get from here. i was planning on getting a nismo mainly for it being just a higher end model (as i plan on modifying it anyways). i love the styling and all of the other tidbits but i couldn't seem to justify the nearly $10k increase for items that don't really make the Z any more track ready.

anyways, today while at the dealership i was made an offer on a 2009 Touring + Sport that i couldn't refuse. i was quoted $30k for a new 2009 touring and i might just take them up, unless a nismo comes along for the same price

Trips · 01-31-2010, 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weeeee

wow this thread just exploded. i really didn't mean to stir anything up i swear!

so mainly i was trying to see what information i could get from here. i was planning on getting a nismo mainly for it being just a higher end model (as i plan on modifying it anyways). i love the styling and all of the other tidbits but i couldn't seem to justify the nearly $10k increase for items that don't really make the Z any more track ready.

anyways, today while at the dealership i was made an offer on a 2009 Touring + Sport that i couldn't refuse. i was quoted $30k for a new 2009 touring and i might just take them up, unless a nismo comes along for the same price

Which ever you finally decide on, you won't be disappointed.

roplusbee · 01-31-2010, 02:55 AM

Wow. This thread did go in a wierd direction. Kinda ike walking into a bar fight, lol. I purchased a NISMO, but not for the added resale value (I plan on keeping it for a very long time) or added "track" goodies. I got it because it is visually pleasing (to me). Once I get a good feel for the way it drives, I will probably go F/I and really have some fun. It's not for folks that are looking for value, but for those that want something a little different. If I would have gone with a Base/Sport, Iwould have been looking to get aero, wheels, sounds, and still go F/I. The first 2 are already taken care of from the factory, so I just have to work on the last 2. Just worked out for me.

01-30-2010, 03:19 PM	#62 (permalink)
vipor A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Euless, TX [ DFW ] Age: 42 Posts: 13,531 Drives: Nismo 09-0183 QAB Rep Power: 49	Base + Sport + Mats/Kicks/Aero = ~$32,200 Nismo + Mats/Kicks = ~$37,600 I AM A NISMO OWNER $5,400 can easily buy some Coilovers, the Nismo bar package, exhaust, and a Cobb. That will be better than the Nismo. I personally like the cosmetics and wheels, and the fact that it's "limited edition" (not really.) If I didn't feel that way I would've financed the same $40k-ish and gotten the parts I listed above plus an In-Dash, CAI, and headers. EDIT: forgot about the oil cooler that I now have too. __________________ 2009 NISMO # 0193 \| QAB \| Albums! \| 05.04.10 (Dynojet) 291.94hp/248.28tq Oil Cooler (DIY) \| Custom Headlights \| GTSPEC Braces \| F.I. Long Tube Headers Last edited by vipor; 01-30-2010 at 03:26 PM.

01-30-2010, 03:34 PM	#66 (permalink)
vipor A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Euless, TX [ DFW ] Age: 42 Posts: 13,531 Drives: Nismo 09-0183 QAB Rep Power: 49	People ALWAYS ask me if it's faster than a regular Z. I always tell them the truth. Theoretically, it's faster around a track, but it's the same in a straight line. Most of the people that ask about 1/4 mile times are domestic guys, but not all. It's a "track" car (sans oil cooler, pads, and better tires.) I love the concept of a Base/Sport as it gets you what I would consider the "have-to-have" upgrades available with none of the fluff. SRM, VLSD, Brakes, 19"s. If you want some fluff, then that's what the Touring is for. Leather, Bose, Heated Seats (in TX wtf?), Power Seats (in a 2-seater wtf?). Get a NISMO if you're a fanboy (in a good way) and love having that "wtf is that?!" look when you pass people. Met one of my GF's coworker's husbands the other day and he actually thought it was a Porsche. I replied "almost, half the money, just as fast, and more reliable." __________________ 2009 NISMO # 0193 \| QAB \| Albums! \| 05.04.10 (Dynojet) 291.94hp/248.28tq Oil Cooler (DIY) \| Custom Headlights \| GTSPEC Braces \| F.I. Long Tube Headers

01-31-2010, 02:14 AM	#71 (permalink)
BLUESLATE Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Top Secret Posts: 390 Drives: 13' Subaru BRZ Rep Power: 16	Save some dough now... and get the Amuse kit. __________________ Special Thanks to Counterspace Garage, RareJDM LLC, and Dave's Garage. Rota wheels give me nightmare. Thus, it makes Rota wheels the wheels of my dreams. barf

01-31-2010, 02:22 AM	#72 (permalink)
SoCal 370Z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: US of A Posts: 2,842 Drives: Answers Rep Power: 33	A decade from now the factory Nismo will have more residual value than a standard Z. It's a unique factory model. __________________ ( Click to show/hide ) Why I NEVER say NO to the Panda Lou Fusz!!!

01-31-2010, 02:55 AM	#75 (permalink)
roplusbee A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Killeen, TX Posts: 2,360 Drives: 2007 350Z NISMO Rep Power: 23	Wow. This thread did go in a wierd direction. Kinda ike walking into a bar fight, lol. I purchased a NISMO, but not for the added resale value (I plan on keeping it for a very long time) or added "track" goodies. I got it because it is visually pleasing (to me). Once I get a good feel for the way it drives, I will probably go F/I and really have some fun. It's not for folks that are looking for value, but for those that want something a little different. If I would have gone with a Base/Sport, Iwould have been looking to get aero, wheels, sounds, and still go F/I. The first 2 are already taken care of from the factory, so I just have to work on the last 2. Just worked out for me. __________________ 2007 350Z NISMO #0618: Zerolift \| UPREV \| F.I. \| Greddy \| Competition Clutch \| Injector Dynamics \| Aeromotive \| Pioneer \| JL

01-31-2010, 02:07 AM	#70 (permalink)
galtamar Base Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 31 Drives: 370Z NISMO 2010 Rep Power: 16	I got a NISMO and was mostly because of its exterior look. So when I was factoring the price of it vs a Base/Sport w an AMUSE bodykit (or similar) plus some nice good quality rims and tires, the NISMO was the clear winner.

01-31-2010, 02:35 AM	#73 (permalink)
SE A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 4,236 Drives: 370z/STI/EVO X/IS-F Rep Power: 23	wow this thread just exploded. i really didn't mean to stir anything up i swear! so mainly i was trying to see what information i could get from here. i was planning on getting a nismo mainly for it being just a higher end model (as i plan on modifying it anyways). i love the styling and all of the other tidbits but i couldn't seem to justify the nearly $10k increase for items that don't really make the Z any more track ready. anyways, today while at the dealership i was made an offer on a 2009 Touring + Sport that i couldn't refuse. i was quoted $30k for a new 2009 touring and i might just take them up, unless a nismo comes along for the same price

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