Convince me to get a Nismo 370z.

Portlander · 01-31-2010, 11:22 AM

Though the Nismo has 350 HP, it also weights 68 more pounds than a Base with the Sport Package. That just about negates the 18 HP advantage between the two vehicles which should make them pretty close to dead even in straight line acceleration.

frost · 01-31-2010, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Portlander

Though the Nismo has 350 HP, it also weights 68 more pounds than a Base with the Sport Package. That just about negates the 18 HP advantage between the two vehicles which should make them pretty close to dead even in straight line acceleration.

Where did you pull the weights from?

motoextreme · 01-31-2010, 11:43 AM

I'm not sure how that could be. I do know it has a few extra braces and such here and there but I'd have to think its a wash as the seats must be lighter then the stock ones and with a very cheesy stereo with no sub, no amp etc it has to help a bit too.

Suppose the wheels and exhaust could count against it...

theDreamer · 01-31-2010, 11:47 AM

Per Nissan's website the Nismo weights 3300 and the base Z weights 3232 which is 68 pounds.

frost · 01-31-2010, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Per Nissan's website the Nismo weights 3300 and the base Z weights 3232 which is 68 pounds.

Glad it was the nissan website and not some post somewhere

motoextreme · 01-31-2010, 11:56 AM

I probably added weight with all the paint. HAHAAHA

Regardless of the weight, numbered ANYTHING typically helps on resale but lets face it, may recover 20-30% of the upcharge (if that).

I still think there's a little too much focus on weight. If we're talking hundreds upon hundreds of lbs then fine but 60 or so? That wouldnt of stopped me, I dig it either way but if I had it to do over again I probably would of bought the more comfortable touring model and modded that one up. All good though

Portlander · 01-31-2010, 12:24 PM

68 pounds does not seem like much, but at the track a tenth of a second can make a difference between winning and losing. Horsepower to weight ratio is important, but it still comes down to driver skill most of the time.

My approach to the Base/Sport over the Nismo reminds me of when I purchased a 5.0 Mustang in the late 80's. I chose the lighter, sleeper looking LX version over the heavier, more aggressive looking GT. Both cars were great drag strip cars and the competitive banter between the two camps were always fun.

And here we are over twenty years later with a similar situation. I have total respect for all 370Z versions and their owners, unless you have a color other than Pearl White and chose a CBE other than Stillen!

theDreamer · 01-31-2010, 11:54 AM

I thought it was less so I checked, but still not sure where the added weight really comes in. The body kit?

vipor · 01-31-2010, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

I thought it was less so I checked, but still not sure where the added weight really comes in. The body kit?

Probably the aluminum brackets and such in the front to support the longer nose. The spoiler too.

The wheels are probably the same or maybe even lighter than the Sports. Both ultra light Rays, but less metal on the NISMOs.

ncnickusa · 01-31-2010, 02:33 PM

Back to the original request.

I bought a Base/Sport 370 early 09. I'm a collector of Z's and I do drive my cars. So my purchases are long term. I keep the miles low and the cars like new. Over time you can get you money back and more. A lot of people mod their cars for no other reason but just to mod. It makes the car special for them. The NISMO for me is just that. It comes out of the box with the mod's installed. It's a collectors car. Special edition and with its own serial number. Long term you can't go wrong. I bought my NISMO for about what the MSRP was on the Base/Sport that they were selling for in early 09. But I did take a small hit when I switched to a NISMO. So if you have NISMO on the mind buy it first. If this car is going to be a daily driven car, and you're going to put a lot of miles on it and only keep it for a few years, don't buy it. That's the problem with nice cars today, they are a horrible investment short term. I'm of the mindset that you drive a beater car to work and save your good cars for pleasure driving. Now I am older guy and a young person can't see this yet but will some day. I understand sometimes you must drive to impress. A NISMO will impress. One other thing, no warranty issues, which you might have if you buy and mod a BASE/Sport.

mick · 01-31-2010, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ncnickusa

If this car is going to be a daily driven car, and you're going to put a lot of miles on it and only keep it for a few years, don't buy it.

i bought the nismo for daily driving.
the way i see it, the cost of a new nismo is less than the depreciated value of a porsche carrera after 5 years, so I am not worried

theDreamer · 01-31-2010, 11:59 AM

Exactly, if it was 3200 for the base and 3500 for the Nismo there would be problems. The one thing I wish they carried over from the 350z Nismo was the seemed welding.

motoextreme · 01-31-2010, 12:01 PM

I'm still a little new to the import scene. Seamed welding? Can you give me the 2 second version? Curious to how that helped and why they didnt carry it over??

frost · 01-31-2010, 12:03 PM

Seam welding to stiffen the chassis:

Though the body of the 2007 Nissan Nismo 350Z was seam-welded like that of a racing car, the 370's only additional structural enhancement is a different front strut-tower brace. "This car's stock body is stiff enough to meet the additional demands placed on it by the Nismo hardware," says Nathaniel Mason, senior manager of product planning in Nissan's Specialty Vehicles division.

snaggeltooth · 01-31-2010, 01:18 PM

I have a question that kinda close to this so here it goes .. A 350Z NISMO vs a 370 base with Sport package .. My only question is if I buy a used NISMO do you think it has been drove harder than a regular Z ..

01-31-2010, 11:22 AM	#1 (permalink)
Portlander Base Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Southern Maine Posts: 69 Drives: 10 370Z PW 6MT Sport Rep Power: 16	Though the Nismo has 350 HP, it also weights 68 more pounds than a Base with the Sport Package. That just about negates the 18 HP advantage between the two vehicles which should make them pretty close to dead even in straight line acceleration. __________________ Life is a highway!

01-31-2010, 11:43 AM	#3 (permalink)
motoextreme Track Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Chino Hills, CA Posts: 971 Drives: Nismo NO MODS! Rep Power: 369	I'm not sure how that could be. I do know it has a few extra braces and such here and there but I'd have to think its a wash as the seats must be lighter then the stock ones and with a very cheesy stereo with no sub, no amp etc it has to help a bit too. Suppose the wheels and exhaust could count against it... __________________ Fast Intensions / NST / Mishimoto / Alpine / JDM / Volk / Brembo / Rotora / Seibon / Stillen / Password: JDM / KW / MR Works / RAW / Sun Auto / B&M / Amplified Motorsports

01-31-2010, 11:47 AM	#4 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4211	Per Nissan's website the Nismo weights 3300 and the base Z weights 3232 which is 68 pounds. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

01-31-2010, 11:56 AM	#6 (permalink)
motoextreme Track Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Chino Hills, CA Posts: 971 Drives: Nismo NO MODS! Rep Power: 369	I probably added weight with all the paint. HAHAAHA Regardless of the weight, numbered ANYTHING typically helps on resale but lets face it, may recover 20-30% of the upcharge (if that). I still think there's a little too much focus on weight. If we're talking hundreds upon hundreds of lbs then fine but 60 or so? That wouldnt of stopped me, I dig it either way but if I had it to do over again I probably would of bought the more comfortable touring model and modded that one up. All good though __________________ Fast Intensions / NST / Mishimoto / Alpine / JDM / Volk / Brembo / Rotora / Seibon / Stillen / Password: JDM / KW / MR Works / RAW / Sun Auto / B&M / Amplified Motorsports

01-31-2010, 12:24 PM	#7 (permalink)
Portlander Base Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Southern Maine Posts: 69 Drives: 10 370Z PW 6MT Sport Rep Power: 16	68 pounds does not seem like much, but at the track a tenth of a second can make a difference between winning and losing. Horsepower to weight ratio is important, but it still comes down to driver skill most of the time. My approach to the Base/Sport over the Nismo reminds me of when I purchased a 5.0 Mustang in the late 80's. I chose the lighter, sleeper looking LX version over the heavier, more aggressive looking GT. Both cars were great drag strip cars and the competitive banter between the two camps were always fun. And here we are over twenty years later with a similar situation. I have total respect for all 370Z versions and their owners, unless you have a color other than Pearl White and chose a CBE other than Stillen! __________________ Life is a highway!

01-31-2010, 11:54 AM	#8 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4211	I thought it was less so I checked, but still not sure where the added weight really comes in. The body kit? __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

01-31-2010, 02:33 PM	#10 (permalink)
ncnickusa Base Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Thomasville, NC Posts: 34 Drives: 09 NISMO 370Z Red Rep Power: 17	Back to the original request. I bought a Base/Sport 370 early 09. I'm a collector of Z's and I do drive my cars. So my purchases are long term. I keep the miles low and the cars like new. Over time you can get you money back and more. A lot of people mod their cars for no other reason but just to mod. It makes the car special for them. The NISMO for me is just that. It comes out of the box with the mod's installed. It's a collectors car. Special edition and with its own serial number. Long term you can't go wrong. I bought my NISMO for about what the MSRP was on the Base/Sport that they were selling for in early 09. But I did take a small hit when I switched to a NISMO. So if you have NISMO on the mind buy it first. If this car is going to be a daily driven car, and you're going to put a lot of miles on it and only keep it for a few years, don't buy it. That's the problem with nice cars today, they are a horrible investment short term. I'm of the mindset that you drive a beater car to work and save your good cars for pleasure driving. Now I am older guy and a young person can't see this yet but will some day. I understand sometimes you must drive to impress. A NISMO will impress. One other thing, no warranty issues, which you might have if you buy and mod a BASE/Sport. __________________ DATSUN 83 280ZX by NISSAN

01-31-2010, 11:59 AM	#12 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4211	Exactly, if it was 3200 for the base and 3500 for the Nismo there would be problems. The one thing I wish they carried over from the 350z Nismo was the seemed welding. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

01-31-2010, 12:01 PM	#13 (permalink)
motoextreme Track Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Chino Hills, CA Posts: 971 Drives: Nismo NO MODS! Rep Power: 369	I'm still a little new to the import scene. Seamed welding? Can you give me the 2 second version? Curious to how that helped and why they didnt carry it over?? __________________ Fast Intensions / NST / Mishimoto / Alpine / JDM / Volk / Brembo / Rotora / Seibon / Stillen / Password: JDM / KW / MR Works / RAW / Sun Auto / B&M / Amplified Motorsports

01-31-2010, 12:03 PM	#14 (permalink)
frost Retired admin Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Winterfell Posts: 106,613 Drives: Your Wife Crazy Rep Power: 0	Seam welding to stiffen the chassis: Though the body of the 2007 Nissan Nismo 350Z was seam-welded like that of a racing car, the 370's only additional structural enhancement is a different front strut-tower brace. "This car's stock body is stiff enough to meet the additional demands placed on it by the Nismo hardware," says Nathaniel Mason, senior manager of product planning in Nissan's Specialty Vehicles division.

01-31-2010, 01:18 PM	#15 (permalink)
snaggeltooth Base Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 115 Drives: 05 Black GTO Rep Power: 17	I have a question that kinda close to this so here it goes .. A 350Z NISMO vs a 370 base with Sport package .. My only question is if I buy a used NISMO do you think it has been drove harder than a regular Z ..

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