A Canadian Cluster should have readouts like this?

photoguy007 · 08-25-2022, 06:09 PM

Believe my Canadian 370Z has had the cluster swapped for U.S. version.

I purchased a Canadian Z from my local U.S. dealer. My Nissan dealer just diagnosed my non-working Rev Matching, saying cluster is bad. And said I should only replace with a Canadian cluster, otherwise I may have issues.

Well, it appears my cluster has already been swapped with a U.S. one. A Canadian cluster should have these readouts, KM/H in white numbers, correct?

My cluster has KM/H in small orange numbers.

Could someone confirm?

Thank you!
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SeeThruHead · 08-25-2022, 06:27 PM

yes km/h in white. mph in orange

photoguy007 · 08-25-2022, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SeeThruHead

yes km/h in white. mph in orange

Thank you!!!

BettyZ · 08-25-2022, 06:42 PM

Oh man that's ****** up. Not too much of an issue though, the speedo is near-impossible to see at speed. Maybe get a heads up display?

BettyZ · 08-25-2022, 06:43 PM

Your US dealer should be on the hook for replacing all of that if they are the ones who screwed it up prior to purchase.

photoguy007 · 08-25-2022, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BettyZ

Your US dealer should be on the hook for replacing all of that if they are the ones who screwed it up prior to purchase.

Purchased from a Chevy dealer, they won’t admit to changing the cluster. It’s at the Nissan dealer now. I’m trying to source a used Canadian one, no luck so far. Not paying $1500 for new one.

Thanks

photoguy007 · 08-25-2022, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BettyZ

Oh man that's ****** up. Not too much of an issue though, the speedo is near-impossible to see at speed. Maybe get a heads up display?

That’s not the issue, my Rev matching is apparently not working because my cluster should be Canadian as original.

Thanks

BettyZ · 08-25-2022, 10:40 PM

Just goes to show, if it's fvcked up, it's probably canadian.

cooltoy · 08-25-2022, 11:05 PM

Just goes to show, that when something American gets put where it does not belong, things get messed up.

SonicVQ · 08-26-2022, 07:57 AM

Interesting problem...

From the FSM under P0500:
The vehicle speed signal is sent to the combination meter from the “ABS actuator and electric unit (control unit)” via the CAN communication line.
The combination meter then sends a signal to the ECM via the CAN communication line.

Soooo... the ABS module sends the wheel speed to the gauge cluster (via CAN bus) and it converts it to vehicle speed. The vehicle speed is then sent to the ECU.

It is possible the US cluster sends the vehicle speed in MPH to the ECU. Since the ECU is expecting KPH, it throws off the calculations and s-mode doesn't work.

^^^ just my 2¢

cooltoy · 08-26-2022, 10:43 AM

Here is a set for sale. If you are not able to contact them, let me know, and I will for you.

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-other-auto-p...rts/1617059269

I have also sent messages to three others advertising car part out.

abm89 · 08-26-2022, 10:52 AM

You could just be a psycho like me and put a Haltech in. (I don't recommend that.)

photoguy007 · 08-27-2022, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cooltoy

Here is a set for sale. If you are not able to contact them, let me know, and I will for you.

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-other-auto-p...rts/1617059269

I have also sent messages to three others advertising car part out.

I did locate one today in Canada, really appreciate your help!! I’ll update once I pop it in, will probably be a week or two, not sure how long it’ll sit in customs.

Thanks a ton!!

photoguy007 · 08-27-2022, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BettyZ

Just goes to show, if it's fvcked up, it's probably canadian.

Appreciate all your help Betty! Really dig this forum!

Thank you!!

ZoomZ · 08-27-2022, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SonicVQ

Interesting problem...

From the FSM under P0500:
The vehicle speed signal is sent to the combination meter from the “ABS actuator and electric unit (control unit)” via the CAN communication line.
The combination meter then sends a signal to the ECM via the CAN communication line.

Soooo... the ABS module sends the wheel speed to the gauge cluster (via CAN bus) and it converts it to vehicle speed. The vehicle speed is then sent to the ECU.

It is possible the US cluster sends the vehicle speed in MPH to the ECU. Since the ECU is expecting KPH, it throws off the calculations and s-mode doesn't work.

^^^ just my 2¢

Yes. What I posted in his other thread. That's the only thing that bothered me, was no information about MPH or KPH signal to ECM.

That definitely could be the issue, but if such a signal is critical to function of ECM, you would think a Fault or failure would be shown as other systems are looking for a "specific" speed signal.

Not sure if this car (cluster) is smart enough for that.
Either way, I'm not 100% sure.

P.S. I Just looked into FSM a little deeper. In the Cruise control section, vehicle speed is also sent from Combo meter to ECM for CC function. In the system description, Nissan always gives the values as KPH (MPH) which leads me to believe my original theory, that "actual" values are not of concern, only signal pulses from Wheel speed sensors converted to a mechanical/electrical value for speedometer.

From FSM: "BASIC ASCD SYSTEM
Refer to Owner's Manual for ASCD operating instructions.
Automatic Speed Control Device (ASCD) allows a driver to keep vehicle at predetermined constant speed
without depressing accelerator pedal. Driver can set vehicle speed in advance between approximately 40 km/
h (25 MPH) and 144 km/h (89 MPH).
ECM controls throttle angle of electric throttle control actuator to regulate engine speed.

08-25-2022, 06:09 PM	#1 (permalink)
photoguy007 Base Member Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: U.S. Posts: 61 Drives: 19 Nissan 370Z CY M6 Rep Power: 3	A Canadian Cluster should have readouts like this? Believe my Canadian 370Z has had the cluster swapped for U.S. version. I purchased a Canadian Z from my local U.S. dealer. My Nissan dealer just diagnosed my non-working Rev Matching, saying cluster is bad. And said I should only replace with a Canadian cluster, otherwise I may have issues. Well, it appears my cluster has already been swapped with a U.S. one. A Canadian cluster should have these readouts, KM/H in white numbers, correct? My cluster has KM/H in small orange numbers. Could someone confirm? Thank you! 1CDE5F14-3063-4F85-9F85-D474476E4A08.jpg 68C6ACA2-810F-44B5-8D8F-95D0E78322FE.jpg BettyZ likes this. __________________ 2019 370Z Sport Manual

08-25-2022, 06:27 PM	#2 (permalink)
SeeThruHead Track Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Toronto Posts: 716 Drives: Red '18 Sport Manual Rep Power: 23498	yes km/h in white. mph in orange __________________ My Build thread STH Build Plan Thread Images too big fix here

08-25-2022, 06:42 PM	#4 (permalink)
BettyZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Chicagoland Age: 38 Posts: 5,261 Drives: A Garage Queen Rep Power: 2684371	Oh man that's ****** up. Not too much of an issue though, the speedo is near-impossible to see at speed. Maybe get a heads up display? __________________ '14 MB Nismo \| Boost Lab 6870 1.32 AR 553 HP / 471 ft.-lbs. Betty Mods

08-25-2022, 06:43 PM	#5 (permalink)
BettyZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Chicagoland Age: 38 Posts: 5,261 Drives: A Garage Queen Rep Power: 2684371	Your US dealer should be on the hook for replacing all of that if they are the ones who screwed it up prior to purchase. __________________ '14 MB Nismo \| Boost Lab 6870 1.32 AR 553 HP / 471 ft.-lbs. Betty Mods

08-25-2022, 10:40 PM	#8 (permalink)
BettyZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Chicagoland Age: 38 Posts: 5,261 Drives: A Garage Queen Rep Power: 2684371	Just goes to show, if it's fvcked up, it's probably canadian. cooltoy and sx moneypit like this. __________________ '14 MB Nismo \| Boost Lab 6870 1.32 AR 553 HP / 471 ft.-lbs. Betty Mods

08-25-2022, 11:05 PM	#9 (permalink)
cooltoy Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Calgary Posts: 13,973 Drives: 14 PW 370Z S/T MT Rep Power: 243722	Just goes to show, that when something American gets put where it does not belong, things get messed up. abm89, sx moneypit, ZoomZ and 1 others like this. __________________ Member of kenchan's "photoshopped mods" and "proper offsets" gang.

08-26-2022, 07:57 AM	#10 (permalink)
SonicVQ Base Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Ontario Posts: 230 Drives: G37 Sport Rep Power: 6720	Interesting problem... From the FSM under P0500: The vehicle speed signal is sent to the combination meter from the “ABS actuator and electric unit (control unit)” via the CAN communication line. The combination meter then sends a signal to the ECM via the CAN communication line. Soooo... the ABS module sends the wheel speed to the gauge cluster (via CAN bus) and it converts it to vehicle speed. The vehicle speed is then sent to the ECU. It is possible the US cluster sends the vehicle speed in MPH to the ECU. Since the ECU is expecting KPH, it throws off the calculations and s-mode doesn't work. ^^^ just my 2¢ sx moneypit, ZoomZ, BettyZ and 1 others like this.

08-26-2022, 10:43 AM	#11 (permalink)
cooltoy Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Calgary Posts: 13,973 Drives: 14 PW 370Z S/T MT Rep Power: 243722	Here is a set for sale. If you are not able to contact them, let me know, and I will for you. https://www.kijiji.ca/v-other-auto-p...rts/1617059269 I have also sent messages to three others advertising car part out. photoguy007 likes this. __________________ Member of kenchan's "photoshopped mods" and "proper offsets" gang. Last edited by cooltoy; 08-26-2022 at 10:50 AM.

08-26-2022, 10:52 AM	#12 (permalink)
abm89 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 1,386 Drives: 11 370Z \| 24 EL450 Rep Power: 64763	You could just be a psycho like me and put a Haltech in. (I don't recommend that.) __________________ Complete Parts List: https://github.com/abm89/ztouge-build

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