TT or NA?

Hotrodz · 06-21-2021, 12:01 PM

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redondoaveb · 06-21-2021, 12:17 PM

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Any word on your car Bob?

Hotrodz · 06-21-2021, 12:59 PM

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Any word on your car Bob?

Still in hurry up and wait mode! No updates unfortunately.

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FL 4Motion · 06-22-2021, 05:40 AM

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This is great for a dedicated track car, but I would strongly urge anyone who still plans to have a car they drive on the street, insured etc., to keep the factory crash bar/safety systems intact.

Your crash bar looks very stout but that could also mean transferring more force from a frontal collision into the occupants of the vehicle. Probably much less of an issue when you’re already rocking a full cage, 5pt harness, HANS device, etc., but none of that should be in a street car or streetable track car.

Hotrodz · 06-22-2021, 09:11 AM

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This is great for a dedicated track car, but I would strongly urge anyone who still plans to have a car they drive on the street, insured etc., to keep the factory crash bar/safety systems intact.

Your crash bar looks very stout but that could also mean transferring more force from a frontal collision into the occupants of the vehicle. Probably much less of an issue when you’re already rocking a full cage, 5pt harness, HANS device, etc., but none of that should be in a street car or streetable track car.

LMAO, my car has been fully registered and insured since I bought it! I live in the great state of AZ we don't like like government rules. That said you ain't wrong LMAO!!!

The fact is most twin turbo kits result in the loss of the OEM front crash bar so either way you may have to deal with the consequences if you rear end someone or hit something because you loss control of your vehicle.

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FL 4Motion · 06-23-2021, 09:29 PM

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LMAO, my car has been fully registered and insured since I bought it! I live in the great state of AZ we don't like like government rules. That said you ain't wrong LMAO!!!

The fact is most twin turbo kits result in the loss of the OEM front crash bar so either way you may have to deal with the consequences if you rear end someone or hit something because you loss control of your vehicle.

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I’m in FL, pretty much anything goes here as well, but just cause you can do something, doesn’t mean you should.

Back in the 60’s and early 70’s, formula one wrecks were almost always guaranteed death for the drivers. The teams/engineers put their heads together and thought well, if we make the cars stronger and more rigid, then that’ll keep the driver in a safe space since the current cars were essentially crushing like a cheap tin can and killing the driver.

So they developed cromoly tube chassis race cars that were super tough. Then something unexpected happened. The cars were getting into horrible wrecks and the vehicles were taking far less damage but the drivers were still dying. Even wrecks that didn’t look too terrible we’re resulting in serious injuries.

They found out that the energy from the crashes was being transferred to the weakest part of the vehicle, the driver. The cars were too strong and stiff. They realized they needed sacrificial energy absorbing crumple zones to help diffuse the impact energy and then a strong tub around the driver to prevent crush injuries.

I personally would say if a crash bar up front needs to go to fit the IC, then on a street car, just let the IC act as the crash bar if you must or mod the factory one to still fit, better than nothing and for a street car, better than a super rigid set up like yours.

I’m only being a “safety nazi” bc the OP isn’t too experienced or knowledgeable and there could be other people reading this in that same boat who may not understand why we’re/I’m harping on this. You’ve been around the block a few times, you understand the trade offs your making for better on track safety vs on street safety.

Hotrodz · 06-24-2021, 09:16 AM

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I’m in FL, pretty much anything goes here as well, but just cause you can do something, doesn’t mean you should.

Back in the 60’s and early 70’s, formula one wrecks were almost always guaranteed death for the drivers. The teams/engineers put their heads together and thought well, if we make the cars stronger and more rigid, then that’ll keep the driver in a safe space since the current cars were essentially crushing like a cheap tin can and killing the driver.

So they developed cromoly tube chassis race cars that were super tough. Then something unexpected happened. The cars were getting into horrible wrecks and the vehicles were taking far less damage but the drivers were still dying. Even wrecks that didn’t look too terrible we’re resulting in serious injuries.

They found out that the energy from the crashes was being transferred to the weakest part of the vehicle, the driver. The cars were too strong and stiff. They realized they needed sacrificial energy absorbing crumple zones to help diffuse the impact energy and then a strong tub around the driver to prevent crush injuries.

I personally would say if a crash bar up front needs to go to fit the IC, then on a street car, just let the IC act as the crash bar if you must or mod the factory one to still fit, better than nothing and for a street car, better than a super rigid set up like yours.

I’m only being a “safety nazi” bc the OP isn’t too experienced or knowledgeable and there could be other people reading this in that same boat who may not understand why we’re/I’m harping on this. You’ve been around the block a few times, you understand the trade offs your making for better on track safety vs on street safety.

Your not wrong! After being TT I did no crash bar and then got a Fast Intentions crash bar. The Z is a dedicated track car now and crash bar is a little over kill I admit but it also the mounting platform for the splitter and splitter rods.

My car meets and mostly exceeds all safety requirements for NASA and SCCA. I originally posted the crash bar for comic relief. That said it has been a good discussion.

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FL 4Motion · 06-25-2021, 12:56 AM

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Your not wrong! After being TT I did no crash bar and then got a Fast Intentions crash bar. The Z is a dedicated track car now and crash bar is a little over kill I admit but it also the mounting platform for the splitter and splitter rods.

My car meets and mostly exceeds all safety requirements for NASA and SCCA. I originally posted the crash bar for comic relief. That said it has been a good discussion.

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As someone I consider a “forum friend” (hope to meet in real life someday, so get your azz to a Daytona or Sebring hpde already), I kinda figured you posted your crash bar pic for

But any excuse to engage in a bit of a technical discussion is always fun and good for the ‘ol noggin.

I always try to come at topics from the most dumbed down and simple perspective since I’m not very smart, I also try to remember there’s alot of less experienced folks that read this stuff, like the OP, and it’s important to provide both sides of the argument so to speak so they get more educated.

Hotrodz · 06-25-2021, 09:39 AM

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As someone I consider a “forum friend” (hope to meet in real life someday, so get your azz to a Daytona or Sebring hpde already), I kinda figured you posted your crash bar pic for

But any excuse to engage in a bit of a technical discussion is always fun and good for the ‘ol noggin.

I always try to come at topics from the most dumbed down and simple perspective since I’m not very smart, I also try to remember there’s alot of less experienced folks that read this stuff, like the OP, and it’s important to provide both sides of the argument so to speak so they get more educated.

So much agreement LOL. I think a few of us old play devil's advocate to do just exactly what you said. I started my journey at the same place the OP is at and now hopefully am paying it forward to the new comers.

As for you and I my brother I will see you sometime hopefully in the next year. You get to know people through this platform and it is like we have been friends forever. Stay cool!

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markesc · 06-23-2021, 11:26 PM

Heh - the #1 location people are moving to AZ from is.... CA

and they LOVE Gov't. They cannot get enough Gov't. I did 1.5 years in AZ,
then picked a different state.

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LMAO, my car has been fully registered and insured since I bought it! I live in the great state of AZ we don't like like government rules. That said you ain't wrong LMAO!!!

The fact is most twin turbo kits result in the loss of the OEM front crash bar so either way you may have to deal with the consequences if you rear end someone or hit something because you loss control of your vehicle.

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Hotrodz · 06-24-2021, 10:19 PM

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Heh - the #1 location people are moving to AZ from is.... CA

and they LOVE Gov't. They cannot get enough Gov't. I did 1.5 years in AZ,
then picked a different state.

You left room for another Californian?

redondoaveb · 06-24-2021, 10:55 PM

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You left room for another Californian?

And here I was packing all my stuff so I could move in with you

Hotrodz · 06-24-2021, 11:52 PM

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And here I was packing all my stuff so I could move in with you

You know I got a room with your name on it!

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