TT or NA?

ajmarz_ · 06-17-2021, 07:35 AM

You guys are awesome! You all have been mad helpful with my other questions I really appreciate it! My next question is this…the Z is my first sports car and I love it. However I don’t feel it’s fast enough or loud enough for me. I was going to save up and buy a turbo kit at some point but some people in the forum have told me the couple of upgrades I’ve done are counter productive to that and I’d have to remove them when I get a TT kit anyways. So is it worth it to turbo/supercharge a 370z? Or should I just upgrade the car with natural aspiration parts then move on and maybe buy a vette or put myself in debt for a GTR or something else? (2013 370 base 7AT 50k miles, borla S type catback, z1 CAI)

Chuck33079 · 06-17-2021, 07:54 AM

7AT? Sell it and buy a faster car.

crazy4oldcars · 06-17-2021, 09:03 AM

If you had started with a Sport or a NISMO, you would have been closer to your goal already.
Bolt-on parts on a NA motor will get you around 340HP at the back wheels on a stick shift. (A little less with an AT.). A NISMO starts around 295 RWHP, a Sport with about 15 - 18 HP less, with a better diff on both (not a great one, a better one).
If you were going to build a higher HP car, you're probably starting from a good place, since the motor, trans and body are the same thru the line, but be aware you will have to change a LOT of parts to make it work. I would be leery of running a stock motor over about the 450 RWHP mark. (I haven't looked at the forced induction kits, so I don't know offhand what kind of power they make.)
Our cars are quick out of the box, but mustangs and comatose (snerk. WTG spell check! Comaros) are faster, with more options to upgrade. You have to WANT to drive something everyone else doesn't have, and be willing to spend a few dimes to upgrade. If all you want is fast and loud (shudder), there are cheaper options.

Kirk B.

Spooler · 06-17-2021, 09:06 AM

Well, that is a loaded question. It all depends on what you want to do. It does sound like your driver skills are limited. You may want to keep what you have and take some driving courses, etc. It was cheaper to build my car instead of buying a 2019 Corvette ZR1. That car was around $140,000 MSRP new. Take some time and think about it. It is up to you. Modifying cars is not cheap and you are your own warranty station.

BettyZ · 06-17-2021, 01:17 PM

And you can still do everything right, order a good turbo kit, and then the POS COMPturbo will fail after 882 miles the day before a Z meetup. Hypothetically speaking.

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Spooler · 06-17-2021, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bettyz

and you can still do everything right, order a cheap turbo kit, and then the cheap pos compturbo will fail after 882 miles the day before a z meetup. Hypothetically speaking.

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SouthArk370Z · 06-17-2021, 01:29 PM

That's a lot like asking who should I marry - it all depends on what you want and what you can afford.

While the stock Z is pretty peppy, it's not a muscle car. Its forte is handling. As others have mentioned, with FI you can get some very respectable HP, which might be enough for you. If you just want to feel your spine sink into the seat back, you have a lot of options. Which option is right for you? Only you can determine that.

Hotrodz · 06-17-2021, 02:29 PM

You got really think about what you want in all things. Boosting a Z is not cheap and doing it right will save you lots of money in the future. Sounds like you can't drive or want a manual so a mild build is the best choice, something around 500whp. Plan on spending 20 to 30k to do it right with all the supporting mods. Or save that money and buy something else. Most of us that built our Zs, either our self or paid for it and love the fact that we have one offs vs simply buying a performance car. Plusses are our cars have better performance than many bought cars, the cost to mod a more expensive sport car can be a lot more expensive, the cost of maintenance is less or equal, insurance and registration are much cheaper and every time I add a mod big or small I get that new car feeling again.

Also, in the sex appeal category the Z is breaks necks even when cars five times their value are around. At car meets or at the track people will walk right past way more expensive cars to talk to me about my Z. Many don't have a clue about value of a Z and their response is man it must be nice to own a $100,000 car. It is unique and I am all about that!

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ajmarz_ · 06-17-2021, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazy4oldcars

If you had started with a Sport or a NISMO, you would have been closer to your goal already.
Bolt-on parts on a NA motor will get you around 340HP at the back wheels on a stick shift. (A little less with an AT.). A NISMO starts around 295 RWHP, a Sport with about 15 - 18 HP less, with a better diff on both (not a great one, a better one).
If you were going to build a higher HP car, you're probably starting from a good place, since the motor, trans and body are the same thru the line, but be aware you will have to change a LOT of parts to make it work. I would be leery of running a stock motor over about the 450 RWHP mark. (I haven't looked at the forced induction kits, so I don't know offhand what kind of power they make.)
Our cars are quick out of the box, but mustangs and comatose (snerk. WTG spell check! Comaros) are faster, with more options to upgrade. You have to WANT to drive something everyone else doesn't have, and be willing to spend a few dimes to upgrade. If all you want is fast and loud (shudder), there are cheaper options.

Kirk B.

You’re absolutely right! Driving something different is exactly why I got the Z! A lot of people in my area have muscle cars and focuses I wanted something different I’m not looking for insane speeds I’m happy with around 360-400 hp I understand it’s a v6 and an auto. I wasn’t able to find a nismo or sport in my budget and I also got a great deal on the 7AT. I’m really just looking for guidance with what bolt ons can get me to that level or if I should forego the bolt ons and save for a high quality turbo kit and installation.

ajmarz_ · 06-17-2021, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z

That's a lot like asking who should I marry - it all depends on what you want and what you can afford.

While the stock Z is pretty peppy, it's not a muscle car. Its forte is handling. As others have mentioned, with FI you can get some very respectable HP, which might be enough for you. If you just want to feel your spine sink into the seat back, you have a lot of options. Which option is right for you? Only you can determine that.

Right right! And no I’m not looking for crazy crazy speeds however I would like to maximize my gains. And although it’s not a v8 I’ve definitely heard some pretty guttural sounding Zs. They just happened to seem quick too

2011 Nismo#91 · 06-17-2021, 03:43 PM

1. The Z is a good sports car.
2. The AT does hold back a little in how the car feels I think for you.
3. Replacing the whole exhaust would be more effective then replacing the car. Test pipes or Long Tube Headers and a much less conservative cat back. A tune might help too
4. How many HP did your previous car have?

ajmarz_ · 06-17-2021, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2011 Nismo#91

1. The Z is a good sports car.
2. The AT does hold back a little in how the car feels I think for you.
3. Replacing the whole exhaust would be more effective then replacing the car. Test pipes or Long Tube Headers and a much less conservative cat back. A tune might help too
4. How many HP did your previous car have?

I previously drove a ram 1500 sport which had around 395 but it was a truck so idk if that counts. Also I’ve messed about in my dads Porsche Panamera but that’s a completely different kind of car. I’m not a pro driver by any means but I have some very little experience driving fast cars.

BettyZ · 06-17-2021, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajmarz_

I previously drove a ram 1500 sport which had around 395 but it was a truck so idk if that counts. Also I’ve messed about in my dads Porsche Panamera but that’s a completely different kind of car. I’m not a pro driver by any means but I have some very little experience driving fast cars.

V different experience. I was plenty happy with my Nismo being N/A with a tune, CAIs, HFCs, and F.I. exhaust... until I boosted and got hooked.

After you put all the Bolt-on mods on, the biggest thing is a tune. I've driven my Z when it was N/A with a tune and with no tune and the difference is INSANE.

OptionZero · 06-17-2021, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajmarz_

You’re absolutely right! Driving something different is exactly why I got the Z! A lot of people in my area have muscle cars and focuses I wanted something different I’m not looking for insane speeds I’m happy with around 360-400 hp I understand it’s a v6 and an auto. I wasn’t able to find a nismo or sport in my budget and I also got a great deal on the 7AT. I’m really just looking for guidance with what bolt ons can get me to that level or if I should forego the bolt ons and save for a high quality turbo kit and installation.

if buying the car is already ******* with your budget

how the **** you gonna afford a TT set up?

It's easily $10K in parts alone

Jayhovah · 06-17-2021, 05:27 PM

The 7AT is not the most appropriate Z for boosting, unless you want to get into trans upgrades (and based on your OP, you probably dont).

So no, I wouldn't boost my Z if I were you.

06-17-2021, 07:35 AM	#1 (permalink)
ajmarz_ Base Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: Michigan Posts: 9 Drives: 013 Nissan 370Z base Rep Power: 4	TT or NA? You guys are awesome! You all have been mad helpful with my other questions I really appreciate it! My next question is this…the Z is my first sports car and I love it. However I don’t feel it’s fast enough or loud enough for me. I was going to save up and buy a turbo kit at some point but some people in the forum have told me the couple of upgrades I’ve done are counter productive to that and I’d have to remove them when I get a TT kit anyways. So is it worth it to turbo/supercharge a 370z? Or should I just upgrade the car with natural aspiration parts then move on and maybe buy a vette or put myself in debt for a GTR or something else? (2013 370 base 7AT 50k miles, borla S type catback, z1 CAI) blackz2010 likes this.

06-17-2021, 07:54 AM	#2 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	7AT? Sell it and buy a faster car. FL 4Motion, 2011 Nismo#91 and Hotrodz like this. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

06-17-2021, 09:03 AM	#3 (permalink)
crazy4oldcars Enthusiast Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: SE Texas Posts: 448 Drives: '16 Nismo Tech Rep Power: 28413	If you had started with a Sport or a NISMO, you would have been closer to your goal already. Bolt-on parts on a NA motor will get you around 340HP at the back wheels on a stick shift. (A little less with an AT.). A NISMO starts around 295 RWHP, a Sport with about 15 - 18 HP less, with a better diff on both (not a great one, a better one). If you were going to build a higher HP car, you're probably starting from a good place, since the motor, trans and body are the same thru the line, but be aware you will have to change a LOT of parts to make it work. I would be leery of running a stock motor over about the 450 RWHP mark. (I haven't looked at the forced induction kits, so I don't know offhand what kind of power they make.) Our cars are quick out of the box, but mustangs and comatose (snerk. WTG spell check! Comaros) are faster, with more options to upgrade. You have to WANT to drive something everyone else doesn't have, and be willing to spend a few dimes to upgrade. If all you want is fast and loud (shudder), there are cheaper options. Kirk B. MR.NYC.370Z likes this.

06-17-2021, 09:06 AM	#4 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 13,800 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684392	Well, that is a loaded question. It all depends on what you want to do. It does sound like your driver skills are limited. You may want to keep what you have and take some driving courses, etc. It was cheaper to build my car instead of buying a 2019 Corvette ZR1. That car was around $140,000 MSRP new. Take some time and think about it. It is up to you. Modifying cars is not cheap and you are your own warranty station. FL 4Motion, NecioVato, SouthArk370Z and 4 others like this.

06-17-2021, 01:17 PM	#5 (permalink)
BettyZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Chicagoland Age: 37 Posts: 5,261 Drives: A Garage Queen Rep Power: 2684371	And you can still do everything right, order a good turbo kit, and then the POS COMPturbo will fail after 882 miles the day before a Z meetup. Hypothetically speaking. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk FL 4Motion, JARblue, Rusty and 6 others like this. __________________ '14 MB Nismo \| Boost Lab 6870 1.32 AR 553 HP / 471 ft.-lbs. Betty Mods

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