Hibernation Time -- Quick Q's

Yas_XD · 10-12-2020, 01:32 AM

Hey all, just bought my first Z a few months ago! She's an 09 in white, only 42k and impeccable condition. Not a scratch, odor, tear, or chip. Got her for $15,000k and despite the great price I want to treat her right, which is why I'm here posting!

Looking at winter storage here in Calgary, Canada where the winters will get cold and snowy. The Z will be resting in my garage (not heated) for the winter months. Done lots of research into how to properly store her through various reading on this forum. Wondering if I have checked all the boxes here?

Will be setting her to sleep sometime in early November and wake her up in April...the plan in place is:

1. Inflate tires to a solid PSI (40?) and place on Flatstopper ramps. Is there another option? Read a few people say it's unnecessary, some use mats?
2. Battery maintainer -- Motomaster Eliminator Precision Series 1.5A -- hooked up directly to the battery in the garage, which can get a bit chilly on the coldest days but still way nicer than outside. But after reading, don't want to detach the battery from the car? Seems better to leave it?
3. Car Cover
4. Add Stabil to full tank, take for a quick drive to mix it in
5. Thorough cleaning in and out
6. Recently took it in for service in July, so assuming all liquids are fine until the Spring when I'll take it for service again
7. Cancel insurance for the winter months

Really appreciate any feedback. I'm very new to sports cars and winter hibernation in general -- happy to have acquired a lot of information (some conflicting) via this and other forums. I got most of this info through the site and want to make sure all my research yielded the correct plan!

Glad to have joined the ranks of Z owners.

crazy4oldcars · 10-12-2020, 06:28 AM

Welcome to the forum, and to Z ownership!
Leave the battery hooked to the car. It saves resetting windows, clocks, etc.
Oil change just prior to hibernation would be better. Combustion creates acids in the lubricant, plus whatever contaminants in the oil can settle and sludge.
Glad I live in Texas! Year round Z!

Kirk B.

Quicksilvers · 10-12-2020, 08:14 AM

Good idea changing your oil prior to storing your Z sludge is not good. I use a Battery Tender every year before I store my Z. 40 psi will be fine for tire pressure. I park on rubber mats it seems to work I never had any flat spots on my tires yet. Sounds like you are on the right track just leave your battery in your Z that’s what I do and just hook it up to my Battery Tender.

chowtoo · 10-12-2020, 09:12 AM

I live in Michigan and put my Z inside a car bag in the garage or barn with desicants inside. Under the car bag I have an old rug to keep the moisture from coming through the cement. I put in some dryer sheets in the car to keep it smelling good and also keep away mice, if they were ever to get into the sealed bag, which they never have. I take out the battery and store it in the basement of my house, charging it. When I bring the car out in the spring it is like new.

Leingod · 10-12-2020, 10:32 AM

I've been storing mine in cold storage for the past 6 years.

1) inflate to 40psi. I don't bother with cradles. It's a non-heated building that'll go down into the negatives and I've never suffer flat spots on the tires. Firehawk indy 500s btw for reference.

2) a few dryer sheets inside the cabin and hatch. Helps reduce weird smells without being obnoxious.

3) crack the windows slightly.

4) leave car in neutral if manual and do not use e-brake. Chalk the car obviously if you go this route.

5) steel wool in tail pipes and decon or other pesticide around the car to keep critters out.

6) disconnect the battery. You lose your radio and clock, but that's it. I've never had any noticeable impact on performance after reconnecting and this is from someone running a custom tune.

7) car cover, but make sure the car is spotless. If you put the cover on with dust still on the car, it could micro scratch the paint voer time.

8) change oil before it goes into into storage and after you pull it out.

9) full bottle of regular stabil into the tank of 93 Oct. Let idle for 5 minutes and you're good to go.

10) take photos of it in storage if you're storing it in a public place. And write down mileage.

Yas_XD · 10-12-2020, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leingod

I've been storing mine in cold storage for the past 6 years.

1) inflate to 40psi. I don't bother with cradles. It's a non-heated building that'll go down into the negatives and I've never suffer flat spots on the tires. Firehawk indy 500s btw for reference.

2) a few dryer sheets inside the cabin and hatch. Helps reduce weird smells without being obnoxious.

3) crack the windows slightly.

4) leave car in neutral if manual and do not use e-brake. Chalk the car obviously if you go this route.

5) steel wool in tail pipes and decon or other pesticide around the car to keep critters out.

6) disconnect the battery. You lose your radio and clock, but that's it. I've never had any noticeable impact on performance after reconnecting and this is from someone running a custom tune.

7) car cover, but make sure the car is spotless. If you put the cover on with dust still on the car, it could micro scratch the paint voer time.

8) change oil before it goes into into storage and after you pull it out.

9) full bottle of regular stabil into the tank of 93 Oct. Let idle for 5 minutes and you're good to go.

10) take photos of it in storage if you're storing it in a public place. And write down mileage.

Thanks for the great feedback. A couple follow-up questions:

My car is auto so I was planning to put it into neutral, then enable the e-Brake, then put it into park for storage? I usually do this when I park anyway because I read going into neutral first before enabling the e-brake, then putting it into park puts the least strain on the car. Maybe you can confirm? Or perhaps it's different for storage?

I have been using 91 oct gas, do I use 93 strictly for storage? Or can I do the 91 as I have been doing?

My car will be parked in a non-heated garage (though it's mostly insulated) still does get cold in there during the harshest winter days, and will be parked on concrete. Not sure what tires I have but they appear to be wide performance tires. Maybe I should just go with some inch thick rubber mats below each tire instead of full-fledged flatstoppers?

I have driven it about 1500km since the last oil change. Does that impact people's recommendations to change it out for winter storage? Seems like I have barely driven it since the swap. It was MOBIL ONE 5W-30 oil.

Thanks again my man. Appreciate the info. And to everyone else. This is very useful.

ZoomZ · 10-12-2020, 01:33 PM

get rid of that MOTOMASTER junk!!!

If you get the NOCO Genius, they have charger adapter via the OBDII connector port. Never have to open hood, or remove battery. Get the 7.2A version.

Other good charger/maintainer is the CTEK. Porsche and MB use that exclusively.

ZoomZ · 10-12-2020, 01:36 PM

One other thing about Octane rating on different brands. I'm not sure what's available in Alberta, but I ONLY run Chevron 94 here in BC. Why? because it's only .05/litre more than the 91 and it's ETHANOL FREE.

Shell 91 is also ETHANOL FREE but they don't use dedicated pump and because its BMW and Ferrari Kool-Aid, they charge more than Chevron 94. Car wont notice difference, but its principle.

Not sure whats available in Alberta, but I would at least fill with ETHANOL FREE for storage.

Yas_XD · 10-12-2020, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZoomZ

get rid of that MOTOMASTER junk!!!

If you get the NOCO Genius, they have charger adapter via the OBDII connector port. Never have to open hood, or remove battery. Get the 7.2A version.

Other good charger/maintainer is the CTEK. Porsche and MB use that exclusively.

Oh okay! I haven't gone to buy yet but Canadian Tire has this brand. I don't see the 7.2A version on their site though. Are you able to recommend a NOCO Genius model from the Canadian Tire site for the Z? I really appreciate this. I'm new to all the nuances of automotive storage. Seem to be quite a few options from NOCO Genius available.

Leingod · 10-12-2020, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yas_XD

Thanks for the great feedback. A couple follow-up questions:

My car is auto so I was planning to put it into neutral, then enable the e-Brake, then put it into park for storage? I usually do this when I park anyway because I read going into neutral first before enabling the e-brake, then putting it into park puts the least strain on the car. Maybe you can confirm? Or perhaps it's different for storage?

I have been using 91 oct gas, do I use 93 strictly for storage? Or can I do the 91 as I have been doing?

My car will be parked in a non-heated garage (though it's mostly insulated) still does get cold in there during the harshest winter days, and will be parked on concrete. Not sure what tires I have but they appear to be wide performance tires. Maybe I should just go with some inch thick rubber mats below each tire instead of full-fledged flatstoppers?

I have driven it about 1500km since the last oil change. Does that impact people's recommendations to change it out for winter storage? Seems like I have barely driven it since the swap. It was MOBIL ONE 5W-30 oil.

Thanks again my man. Appreciate the info. And to everyone else. This is very useful.

Someone else will have to chime in regarding the e brake situation on an auto. My recommendation would be to just get it into neutral and chalk it.

Running 91 Oct is fine. The car is rated for premium fuel. So 91 will cut it. Add stabil and it'll be fine.

It can't hurt to put some rubber mats under the tires. My car has sat on solid concrete in -20f temps for months on end without any issues with the tires becoming flat. Just be sure to over inflate to 40psi. I would save the money and get some fun car parts for what flatstoppers cost.

Id still recommend changing the oil. It has cycled the engine and mixed with whatever was leftover. For $30 if you diy, you'll have safe of mind.

SouthArk370Z · 10-12-2020, 03:24 PM

You don't need to put the auto trans in neutral - totally different beast than the manual.

I would suggest not using the e-brake - long-term engagement can cause sticking. Use chocks instead. Or jack it up and use jack stands.

There are a lot of good battery maintainers out there. There's at least one thread on the subject. If you can't find the thread using the site's search function (or just don't like it), you can go to any of the big search engines and add "site:the370z.com" to your search string, eg, https://html.duckduckgo.com/html?q=b...%3Athe370z.com

Cyber370 · 10-12-2020, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZoomZ

get rid of that MOTOMASTER junk!!!

If you get the NOCO Genius, they have charger adapter via the OBDII connector port. Never have to open hood, or remove battery. Get the 7.2A version.

Other good charger/maintainer is the CTEK. Porsche and MB use that exclusively.

I agree! The Motomaster brand chargers are complete junk. I had one fail and overheat a couple years ago. Luckily, I was in the garage when it happened so I disconnected it from my battery before it caused any damage.

I have been using a CTek 3300 since and it is bulletproof. Hook it up and forget it. It is also the brand of chargers supplied with new Ferraris.

viiv · 10-13-2020, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZoomZ

One other thing about Octane rating on different brands. I'm not sure what's available in Alberta, but I ONLY run Chevron 94 here in BC. Why? because it's only .05/litre more than the 91 and it's ETHANOL FREE.

Shell 91 is also ETHANOL FREE but they don't use dedicated pump and because its BMW and Ferrari Kool-Aid, they charge more than Chevron 94. Car wont notice difference, but its principle.

Not sure whats available in Alberta, but I would at least fill with ETHANOL FREE for storage.

I agree. I can not overstate the importance of filling with ethanol free. Stabil will do nothing to prevent the ethanol from rusting and rotting out your fuel tank and fuel system from the inside out. Don't believe me? Watch this.

https://youtu.be/UvS_D4_lF5U

ZoomZ · 10-13-2020, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yas_XD

Oh okay! I haven't gone to buy yet but Canadian Tire has this brand. I don't see the 7.2A version on their site though. Are you able to recommend a NOCO Genius model from the Canadian Tire site for the Z? I really appreciate this. I'm new to all the nuances of automotive storage. Seem to be quite a few options from NOCO Genius available.

Yes, That's where I bought mine. I'm sure it available on amazon or other local parts stores.

HOWEVER. looks like NOCO has changed their lineup and come out with new models. The 7.2A is now obsolete. They are simply called Genious2,5 or 10. Get the 10A. https://no.co/products/charging/multipurpose

https://no.co/gc012

ZoomZ · 10-13-2020, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yas_XD

Oh okay! I haven't gone to buy yet but Canadian Tire has this brand. I don't see the 7.2A version on their site though. Are you able to recommend a NOCO Genius model from the Canadian Tire site for the Z? I really appreciate this. I'm new to all the nuances of automotive storage. Seem to be quite a few options from NOCO Genius available.

Here you go: https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/n...-0111984p.html

I've used the old version for over 3 years and no issues. I'm sure the new version is just as good.

Also available at another Calgary CT.

10-12-2020, 01:32 AM	#1 (permalink)
Yas_XD Base Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Calgary, AB Posts: 3 Drives: Nissan 370z Touring Rep Power: 5	Hibernation Time -- Quick Q's Hey all, just bought my first Z a few months ago! She's an 09 in white, only 42k and impeccable condition. Not a scratch, odor, tear, or chip. Got her for $15,000k and despite the great price I want to treat her right, which is why I'm here posting! Looking at winter storage here in Calgary, Canada where the winters will get cold and snowy. The Z will be resting in my garage (not heated) for the winter months. Done lots of research into how to properly store her through various reading on this forum. Wondering if I have checked all the boxes here? Will be setting her to sleep sometime in early November and wake her up in April...the plan in place is: 1. Inflate tires to a solid PSI (40?) and place on Flatstopper ramps. Is there another option? Read a few people say it's unnecessary, some use mats? 2. Battery maintainer -- Motomaster Eliminator Precision Series 1.5A -- hooked up directly to the battery in the garage, which can get a bit chilly on the coldest days but still way nicer than outside. But after reading, don't want to detach the battery from the car? Seems better to leave it? 3. Car Cover 4. Add Stabil to full tank, take for a quick drive to mix it in 5. Thorough cleaning in and out 6. Recently took it in for service in July, so assuming all liquids are fine until the Spring when I'll take it for service again 7. Cancel insurance for the winter months Really appreciate any feedback. I'm very new to sports cars and winter hibernation in general -- happy to have acquired a lot of information (some conflicting) via this and other forums. I got most of this info through the site and want to make sure all my research yielded the correct plan! Glad to have joined the ranks of Z owners. Last edited by Yas_XD; 10-12-2020 at 01:36 AM.

10-12-2020, 10:32 AM	#5 (permalink)
Leingod A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Some Place Cold Posts: 16,060 Drives: In Circles Rep Power: 2684396	I've been storing mine in cold storage for the past 6 years. 1) inflate to 40psi. I don't bother with cradles. It's a non-heated building that'll go down into the negatives and I've never suffer flat spots on the tires. Firehawk indy 500s btw for reference. 2) a few dryer sheets inside the cabin and hatch. Helps reduce weird smells without being obnoxious. 3) crack the windows slightly. 4) leave car in neutral if manual and do not use e-brake. Chalk the car obviously if you go this route. 5) steel wool in tail pipes and decon or other pesticide around the car to keep critters out. 6) disconnect the battery. You lose your radio and clock, but that's it. I've never had any noticeable impact on performance after reconnecting and this is from someone running a custom tune. 7) car cover, but make sure the car is spotless. If you put the cover on with dust still on the car, it could micro scratch the paint voer time. 8) change oil before it goes into into storage and after you pull it out. 9) full bottle of regular stabil into the tank of 93 Oct. Let idle for 5 minutes and you're good to go. 10) take photos of it in storage if you're storing it in a public place. And write down mileage. JARblue, Rusty, Ghostvette and 2 others like this. __________________ I AM FLOOF! SOMEBODY FLOOF MY HORN!! ALL HAIL THE FLOOF!!I JUST FLOOFED ON THE FLOOR

10-12-2020, 01:36 PM	#8 (permalink)
ZoomZ Track Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 760 Drives: 17' 370Z Nismo Rep Power: 40617	One other thing about Octane rating on different brands. I'm not sure what's available in Alberta, but I ONLY run Chevron 94 here in BC. Why? because it's only .05/litre more than the 91 and it's ETHANOL FREE. Shell 91 is also ETHANOL FREE but they don't use dedicated pump and because its BMW and Ferrari Kool-Aid, they charge more than Chevron 94. Car wont notice difference, but its principle. Not sure whats available in Alberta, but I would at least fill with ETHANOL FREE for storage. viiv likes this. Last edited by ZoomZ; 10-12-2020 at 01:38 PM.

10-12-2020, 03:24 PM	#11 (permalink)
SouthArk370Z Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 8,435 Drives: 2014 Challenger Rep Power: 324198	You don't need to put the auto trans in neutral - totally different beast than the manual. I would suggest not using the e-brake - long-term engagement can cause sticking. Use chocks instead. Or jack it up and use jack stands. There are a lot of good battery maintainers out there. There's at least one thread on the subject. If you can't find the thread using the site's search function (or just don't like it), you can go to any of the big search engines and add "site:the370z.com" to your search string, eg, https://html.duckduckgo.com/html?q=b...%3Athe370z.com __________________ Steering Lock Links - Search The370Z Bookmarklet - FSM @ NICOclub Mankind has progressed past the need for war but we haven't evolved that far. - NachoMahma

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10-12-2020, 06:28 AM	#2 (permalink)
crazy4oldcars Enthusiast Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: SE Texas Posts: 448 Drives: '16 Nismo Tech Rep Power: 28413	Welcome to the forum, and to Z ownership! Leave the battery hooked to the car. It saves resetting windows, clocks, etc. Oil change just prior to hibernation would be better. Combustion creates acids in the lubricant, plus whatever contaminants in the oil can settle and sludge. Glad I live in Texas! Year round Z! Kirk B.

10-12-2020, 09:12 AM	#4 (permalink)
chowtoo Base Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: S. E. MI Posts: 153 Drives: Red2018 M6, 2019 A7 Rep Power: 4596	I live in Michigan and put my Z inside a car bag in the garage or barn with desicants inside. Under the car bag I have an old rug to keep the moisture from coming through the cement. I put in some dryer sheets in the car to keep it smelling good and also keep away mice, if they were ever to get into the sealed bag, which they never have. I take out the battery and store it in the basement of my house, charging it. When I bring the car out in the spring it is like new.

10-12-2020, 01:33 PM	#7 (permalink)
ZoomZ Track Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 760 Drives: 17' 370Z Nismo Rep Power: 40617	get rid of that MOTOMASTER junk!!! If you get the NOCO Genius, they have charger adapter via the OBDII connector port. Never have to open hood, or remove battery. Get the 7.2A version. Other good charger/maintainer is the CTEK. Porsche and MB use that exclusively.