Are the 40th anny editions going to be worth it and or hard to get?

whoady4shoady · 01-15-2010, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

~Convenience
~Built in
~Safety/Security
~Cheaper

Each of those have more detailed reasons, but you get the idea. Navigation built into a car is a major factor for many car owners, especially those who wish not to modify their car.

I guess, i just dont care about nav much. Then again i dont drive very far either.

MastaRip · 01-15-2010, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by whoady4shoady

I dont get what is the big deal about Nav? I mean most of the newer phones have it now. Im not sure i will be getting a 40th now though. The price is just a tad out of the range i wanted to pay.

Much more than navigation.

YouTube - 2010 Nissan 370Z Navigation

djward · 01-15-2010, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

~Convenience
~Built in
~Safety/Security
~Cheaper

Each of those have more detailed reasons, but you get the idea. Navigation built into a car is a major factor for many car owners, especially those who wish not to modify their car.

Yes. Nice to have it all run from one location. I couldn't find one and Nissan currently has no allocations for building new Z's. I have a 40th yr coming in next month but might not take it due to the lack of the Navi.

TARDCORE · 01-15-2010, 11:49 PM

Honestly I'd rather pay $1800 for an aftermarket nav than pay that for the stock nav. Once I see the 40th year in person, it may change my mind and I might trade my 2010 Z in for it and take the money loss but I judging by the color I doubt it. My Z has every option the 40th year does and I'm fine without the nav since my phone is easier to screw around with.

mick · 01-16-2010, 01:26 AM

it sucks that you can't get navigation but then you gain an extra glove box

motoextreme · 01-16-2010, 03:08 AM

I dont know about the "NISMO IS AWFUL" comment. I do agree if you want comfort and all the creature comforts then Touring is the way to go but the Nismo is a fun car. Not sure I would chose it for my ONLY car but its a blast to take through the canyon and to work.

You should seriously think about an aftermarket Nav system. Most are better then stock and they fit perfect. You could go with a great set up for about a grand and I'm sure you would be happy.

Just my 2 cents...either Z you buy, you'll be thrilled.

scruffydog · 01-16-2010, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by whoady4shoady

I guess, i just dont care about nav much. Then again i dont drive very far either.

yea, a lot of people don't care about it either, they look at the price difference of almost $2000 and right away think to themselves that they can get much better deck, iphones, tom tom, etc..whatever. Not a lot of people at this point are willing to pay attention to the details of improvement these factory OEM NAV over the years.

The Nissan NAV is by far one of the best integrated NAV system, I've ever seen. Your after market NAV or iphone can prolly do phone dialing, bluetooth, but the factory NAV will always top it because it has other things integrated in it such as the climate control and the touch screen with an keypad, and also steering wheel control. Not to mention, the placement of the screen in respect to the driver's pt of view. All aftermarket radios/nav systems, not to mention portable ones are just plain ugly and will never look flush nor ever look like it was designed to be built in with the car.

I've had this conversation with so many people that don't believe in factory NAV. They bash on it before knowing the time and effort a car manufacture spent making it as user friendly as possible. Speaking of price alone, you may think right off the bat $1800 is a lot, but in reality, it's a lot more than $1800 (Invoice $1600), the NAV unit alone is ~$4000 if you ever break it, and it doesn't even include the other stuff like GPS antenna which is a lot better reception than yours(~$70), Faceplate ($300), keypad (~$300), front control panel (~$600), touch screen ($800), wiring harness (~$100+), climate control unit (~$300+), brackets (~200+), bose audio sound system ($???)...and i'm not even done yet, but i know for a fact, you're paying a lot less than what they'd be charging you if you were to break it down to it's actual value ($7000+ easily).

Also, a side note, did I forget to mention that factory NAV uses your car's vehicle speed input to determine/calculates your car's position if your GPS reception ever get blocked by tall buildings or whatever? And with an aftermarket NAV system, you will always get more glare from the sun than you would with a factory NAV, which is designed to be embedded/recessed in so sun will hardly ever shine directly at it. Also, with a Factory NAV, you'd never had to worry about people breaking in your car trying to steal it as it is fastened into your car's center console panels VERY well. As oppose to you leaving your tom tom, iphone, even your aftermarket deck, someone can steal it within seconds or minutes if you left your car unattended (whether if you left your windows down or someone broke into your windows)

Then again, to me it's worth it, because I know all the features there is in the factory 370z Nav. Built in HDD, ipod interface, plays DVDs, XM traffic, SUPER high RESOLUTION, Zagat guide, weather forcast, and so on. I have an iphone and I admit that it can do a lot, but sorry a phone will never compare to factory nav system. Not to mention, your iphone's actual cost is $600 (which is almost half the price of the NAV) and you still have to subscribe to the service....in 2 years time, you're already paying easily over $2000. Even for the NAV system I currently have in my Lexus, it's worth every penny as I can also play movies, climate control integration, voice command, steering wheel control....that whole built-in look will always top any after market NAV system.

Sorry to ramble on and I don't mean to put my frustration on you or anyone, but I think if people start realizing this and willing to pay for these in their cars, the prices will come down significantly.

I was once really excited about the 40th anniversary edition because the pics I've seen previously had a NAV built in, but i was very very disappointed to find out the US version is the only one that doesn't come with NAV. It's because Nissan figures people in US prolly won't want to pay the extra $$$ to have the NAV since most people prolly don't really care for it. Also, they're only making 1000 units, so they kept it simple, 1 configuration, base on majority they made the decision to not make it with NAV. Stupid Nissan! Their reasoning is probably because they figure the price of the limited is already hitting $40K and if they want to keep it under $40K, they better not include the NAV, otherwise, even though it's a limited 40th anniversary edition Z, not a lot of people would care to pay close to $43K for a Nissan Z. There are much better options/competition out there than to get a Nissan brand car~which i'm very sure that's what Nissan Marketing in US thought. The Z's goal was to keep it cheap and affordable, less than $30K. Most Z owners would pay around low $30K, if you are spending more than $40K, there's more luxury brands out there. I've had an offer for a fully loaded G37S with NAV for less than that price - and i'm sure you get more respect than you would with a Z. But I guess they don't care to cater to people like me (which aren't many) who would love to pay for a fully loaded 40th anniversary edition with Nav + Nismo performance parts (only if they have that option), I'm all in to pay $45K for a top-notch stock Z that performs well and looks well (no need for aftermarket B.S.). Then again, they would only do that in Europe as this car is already waaayyy over priced there and they have a lot more competition as an import car. And for Japan, their Nismo 370z has everything! Leather, NAV, red stitch...you name it. That's what I want....but then again, it's Japan =(

Either way, I already have a Lexus and I want the Z because I know it's a much more fun of a car than the G37S or any car in that class/price range. So Z it is I'm gonna get, but no I'm not gonna get a 40th. The 40th isn't that hard to find. I've called up multiple dealerships and they all will have at least 1 or 2 by late February. But i know for a fact they're gonna jack up the price big time and you won't be able to negotiate to pay less than it's MSRP.

motoextreme · 01-16-2010, 03:16 AM

I take back that Nav remark, dont know anything about the Z one, it simply wasn't an option on my Nismo so it was an easy decision for me anyway...

Auston · 01-16-2010, 01:22 PM

Not a big fan of NAVs built into the car, you lose too much flexibility.
I prefer a portable NAV unit you can take in and out of your car,
and update on your computer (Tom Tom, Garmin, etc.).
The Touring's "extra" glove box in the center console is the perfect
place for a portable NAV

whoady4shoady · 01-16-2010, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by scruffydog

yea, a lot of people don't care about it either, they look at the price difference of almost $2000 and right away think to themselves that they can get much better deck, iphones, tom tom, etc..whatever. Not a lot of people at this point are willing to pay attention to the details of improvement these factory OEM NAV over the years.

The Nissan NAV is by far one of the best integrated NAV system, I've ever seen. Your after market NAV or iphone can prolly do phone dialing, bluetooth, but the factory NAV will always top it because it has other things integrated in it such as the climate control and the touch screen with an keypad, and also steering wheel control. Not to mention, the placement of the screen in respect to the driver's pt of view. All aftermarket radios/nav systems, not to mention portable ones are just plain ugly and will never look flush nor ever look like it was designed to be built in with the car.

I've had this conversation with so many people that don't believe in factory NAV. They bash on it before knowing the time and effort a car manufacture spent making it as user friendly as possible. Speaking of price alone, you may think right off the bat $1800 is a lot, but in reality, it's a lot more than $1800 (Invoice $1600), the NAV unit alone is ~$4000 if you ever break it, and it doesn't even include the other stuff like GPS antenna which is a lot better reception than yours(~$70), Faceplate ($300), keypad (~$300), front control panel (~$600), touch screen ($800), wiring harness (~$100+), climate control unit (~$300+), brackets (~200+), bose audio sound system ($???)...and i'm not even done yet, but i know for a fact, you're paying a lot less than what they'd be charging you if you were to break it down to it's actual value ($7000+ easily).

Also, a side note, did I forget to mention that factory NAV uses your car's vehicle speed input to determine/calculates your car's position if your GPS reception ever get blocked by tall buildings or whatever? And with an aftermarket NAV system, you will always get more glare from the sun than you would with a factory NAV, which is designed to be embedded/recessed in so sun will hardly ever shine directly at it. Also, with a Factory NAV, you'd never had to worry about people breaking in your car trying to steal it as it is fastened into your car's center console panels VERY well. As oppose to you leaving your tom tom, iphone, even your aftermarket deck, someone can steal it within seconds or minutes if you left your car unattended (whether if you left your windows down or someone broke into your windows)

Then again, to me it's worth it, because I know all the features there is in the factory 370z Nav. Built in HDD, ipod interface, plays DVDs, XM traffic, SUPER high RESOLUTION, Zagat guide, weather forcast, and so on. I have an iphone and I admit that it can do a lot, but sorry a phone will never compare to factory nav system. Not to mention, your iphone's actual cost is $600 (which is almost half the price of the NAV) and you still have to subscribe to the service....in 2 years time, you're already paying easily over $2000. Even for the NAV system I currently have in my Lexus, it's worth every penny as I can also play movies, climate control integration, voice command, steering wheel control....that whole built-in look will always top any after market NAV system.

Sorry to ramble on and I don't mean to put my frustration on you or anyone, but I think if people start realizing this and willing to pay for these in their cars, the prices will come down significantly.

I was once really excited about the 40th anniversary edition because the pics I've seen previously had a NAV built in, but i was very very disappointed to find out the US version is the only one that doesn't come with NAV. It's because Nissan figures people in US prolly won't want to pay the extra $$$ to have the NAV since most people prolly don't really care for it. Also, they're only making 1000 units, so they kept it simple, 1 configuration, base on majority they made the decision to not make it with NAV. Stupid Nissan! Their reasoning is probably because they figure the price of the limited is already hitting $40K and if they want to keep it under $40K, they better not include the NAV, otherwise, even though it's a limited 40th anniversary edition Z, not a lot of people would care to pay close to $43K for a Nissan Z. There are much better options/competition out there than to get a Nissan brand car~which i'm very sure that's what Nissan Marketing in US thought. The Z's goal was to keep it cheap and affordable, less than $30K. Most Z owners would pay around low $30K, if you are spending more than $40K, there's more luxury brands out there. I've had an offer for a fully loaded G37S with NAV for less than that price - and i'm sure you get more respect than you would with a Z. But I guess they don't care to cater to people like me (which aren't many) who would love to pay for a fully loaded 40th anniversary edition with Nav + Nismo performance parts (only if they have that option), I'm all in to pay $45K for a top-notch stock Z that performs well and looks well (no need for aftermarket B.S.). Then again, they would only do that in Europe as this car is already waaayyy over priced there and they have a lot more competition as an import car. And for Japan, their Nismo 370z has everything! Leather, NAV, red stitch...you name it. That's what I want....but then again, it's Japan =(

Either way, I already have a Lexus and I want the Z because I know it's a much more fun of a car than the G37S or any car in that class/price range. So Z it is I'm gonna get, but no I'm not gonna get a 40th. The 40th isn't that hard to find. I've called up multiple dealerships and they all will have at least 1 or 2 by late February. But i know for a fact they're gonna jack up the price big time and you won't be able to negotiate to pay less than it's MSRP.

Thanks for this informative post, and i can at least now understand why some may want it.

Pushing_Tin · 01-17-2010, 04:26 AM

+rep scruffy! I also had an IS350. What's the big deal about the 40th? If you like the Z why not buy a 2010 model with touring and sport??

MastaRip · 01-18-2010, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Pushing_Tin

What's the big deal about the 40th?

I just really happen to like the Graphite color and red interior.

Both which are unavailable on a 2010 Model.

Auston · 01-18-2010, 07:51 PM

Red interior? Do you mean "wine"?

theDreamer · 01-18-2010, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Auston

Red interior? Do you mean "wine"?

Wine is the new 2010 interior, but the 40th anniversary gets a red interior exclusively.

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-18-2010, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by scruffydog

yea, a lot of people don't care about it either, they look at the price difference of almost $2000 and right away think to themselves that they can get much better deck, iphones, tom tom, etc..whatever. Not a lot of people at this point are willing to pay attention to the details of improvement these factory OEM NAV over the years.

The Nissan NAV is by far one of the best integrated NAV system, I've ever seen. Your after market NAV or iphone can prolly do phone dialing, bluetooth, but the factory NAV will always top it because it has other things integrated in it such as the climate control and the touch screen with an keypad, and also steering wheel control. Not to mention, the placement of the screen in respect to the driver's pt of view. All aftermarket radios/nav systems, not to mention portable ones are just plain ugly and will never look flush nor ever look like it was designed to be built in with the car.

I've had this conversation with so many people that don't believe in factory NAV. They bash on it before knowing the time and effort a car manufacture spent making it as user friendly as possible. Speaking of price alone, you may think right off the bat $1800 is a lot, but in reality, it's a lot more than $1800 (Invoice $1600), the NAV unit alone is ~$4000 if you ever break it, and it doesn't even include the other stuff like GPS antenna which is a lot better reception than yours(~$70), Faceplate ($300), keypad (~$300), front control panel (~$600), touch screen ($800), wiring harness (~$100+), climate control unit (~$300+), brackets (~200+), bose audio sound system ($???)...and i'm not even done yet, but i know for a fact, you're paying a lot less than what they'd be charging you if you were to break it down to it's actual value ($7000+ easily).

Also, a side note, did I forget to mention that factory NAV uses your car's vehicle speed input to determine/calculates your car's position if your GPS reception ever get blocked by tall buildings or whatever? And with an aftermarket NAV system, you will always get more glare from the sun than you would with a factory NAV, which is designed to be embedded/recessed in so sun will hardly ever shine directly at it. Also, with a Factory NAV, you'd never had to worry about people breaking in your car trying to steal it as it is fastened into your car's center console panels VERY well. As oppose to you leaving your tom tom, iphone, even your aftermarket deck, someone can steal it within seconds or minutes if you left your car unattended (whether if you left your windows down or someone broke into your windows)

Then again, to me it's worth it, because I know all the features there is in the factory 370z Nav. Built in HDD, ipod interface, plays DVDs, XM traffic, SUPER high RESOLUTION, Zagat guide, weather forcast, and so on. I have an iphone and I admit that it can do a lot, but sorry a phone will never compare to factory nav system. Not to mention, your iphone's actual cost is $600 (which is almost half the price of the NAV) and you still have to subscribe to the service....in 2 years time, you're already paying easily over $2000. Even for the NAV system I currently have in my Lexus, it's worth every penny as I can also play movies, climate control integration, voice command, steering wheel control....that whole built-in look will always top any after market NAV system.

Sorry to ramble on and I don't mean to put my frustration on you or anyone, but I think if people start realizing this and willing to pay for these in their cars, the prices will come down significantly.

I was once really excited about the 40th anniversary edition because the pics I've seen previously had a NAV built in, but i was very very disappointed to find out the US version is the only one that doesn't come with NAV. It's because Nissan figures people in US prolly won't want to pay the extra $$$ to have the NAV since most people prolly don't really care for it. Also, they're only making 1000 units, so they kept it simple, 1 configuration, base on majority they made the decision to not make it with NAV. Stupid Nissan! Their reasoning is probably because they figure the price of the limited is already hitting $40K and if they want to keep it under $40K, they better not include the NAV, otherwise, even though it's a limited 40th anniversary edition Z, not a lot of people would care to pay close to $43K for a Nissan Z. There are much better options/competition out there than to get a Nissan brand car~which i'm very sure that's what Nissan Marketing in US thought. The Z's goal was to keep it cheap and affordable, less than $30K. Most Z owners would pay around low $30K, if you are spending more than $40K, there's more luxury brands out there. I've had an offer for a fully loaded G37S with NAV for less than that price - and i'm sure you get more respect than you would with a Z. But I guess they don't care to cater to people like me (which aren't many) who would love to pay for a fully loaded 40th anniversary edition with Nav + Nismo performance parts (only if they have that option), I'm all in to pay $45K for a top-notch stock Z that performs well and looks well (no need for aftermarket B.S.). Then again, they would only do that in Europe as this car is already waaayyy over priced there and they have a lot more competition as an import car. And for Japan, their Nismo 370z has everything! Leather, NAV, red stitch...you name it. That's what I want....but then again, it's Japan =(

Either way, I already have a Lexus and I want the Z because I know it's a much more fun of a car than the G37S or any car in that class/price range. So Z it is I'm gonna get, but no I'm not gonna get a 40th. The 40th isn't that hard to find. I've called up multiple dealerships and they all will have at least 1 or 2 by late February. But i know for a fact they're gonna jack up the price big time and you won't be able to negotiate to pay less than it's MSRP.

I HOPE You do know an $1800 nav is only $27 or so... when you are paying 500 a month on a car. Going up to 527 I don't think is going to be the deal breaker. Think about the full spectrum of your analysis before you throw in the money factor. And for the guy paying cash on a car he may be thinking on another level???
Me myself, I don't like navs because I don't need em. Some may think the extra 40ish lbs the nav adds is pointless when they are ripping out rugs, installing carbon fiber, titanium and silicone parts to reduce weight, maybe my goal is 3000lbs? maybe I would rather spend $1800 on a radar and jammer system that integrated in my car? Maybe that mines suspension is $5000 and I want to use that money for another upgrade.

I'm really happy you looove how nissan has the best nav. Its a beautiful thing. A value and it proves nissan quality BUT in the end, the Z is a tuner car. Tuners mod interiors exteriors ecu's, tires suspensions etc. You are going to find people that love so much more than the creature comforts of the Z. So brutha. Enjoy your navi. But just acknowledge you have serious enthusiasts in here that want to build there car up to their own personal specs.

Honestly a nav in a car like this is a waste imo. Not monitarily, but those 40lbs, Is weight I can shed without touching the car. I would be doing everything I can to keep it under 3000lbs. That would be the most important thing to me when I get my Z. That $3000 sport package, that $700 oil cooler. That $2000 FI cat pipe and exhaust, that $500 stillen intake, that technosquare ecu tune, that s-tune suspension and body kit, is all so much more precious than ZAGAT and global positioning imo!

01-15-2010, 11:49 PM	#19 (permalink)
TARDCORE Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 410 Drives: 2010 Solid Red 370Z Rep Power: 16	Honestly I'd rather pay $1800 for an aftermarket nav than pay that for the stock nav. Once I see the 40th year in person, it may change my mind and I might trade my 2010 Z in for it and take the money loss but I judging by the color I doubt it. My Z has every option the 40th year does and I'm fine without the nav since my phone is easier to screw around with. __________________ XBL:EVENTYDE

01-16-2010, 03:08 AM	#21 (permalink)
motoextreme Track Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Chino Hills, CA Posts: 971 Drives: Nismo NO MODS! Rep Power: 369	I dont know about the "NISMO IS AWFUL" comment. I do agree if you want comfort and all the creature comforts then Touring is the way to go but the Nismo is a fun car. Not sure I would chose it for my ONLY car but its a blast to take through the canyon and to work. You should seriously think about an aftermarket Nav system. Most are better then stock and they fit perfect. You could go with a great set up for about a grand and I'm sure you would be happy. Just my 2 cents...either Z you buy, you'll be thrilled. __________________ Fast Intensions / NST / Mishimoto / Alpine / JDM / Volk / Brembo / Rotora / Seibon / Stillen / Password: JDM / KW / MR Works / RAW / Sun Auto / B&M / Amplified Motorsports

01-16-2010, 03:16 AM	#23 (permalink)
motoextreme Track Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Chino Hills, CA Posts: 971 Drives: Nismo NO MODS! Rep Power: 369	I take back that Nav remark, dont know anything about the Z one, it simply wasn't an option on my Nismo so it was an easy decision for me anyway... __________________ Fast Intensions / NST / Mishimoto / Alpine / JDM / Volk / Brembo / Rotora / Seibon / Stillen / Password: JDM / KW / MR Works / RAW / Sun Auto / B&M / Amplified Motorsports

01-16-2010, 01:26 AM	#20 (permalink)
mick Track Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: California Posts: 903 Drives: Used to drive a 370z Rep Power: 16	it sucks that you can't get navigation but then you gain an extra glove box

01-16-2010, 01:22 PM	#24 (permalink)
Auston Track Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 764 Drives: 2009 Z34 T+S RAE Rep Power: 16	Not a big fan of NAVs built into the car, you lose too much flexibility. I prefer a portable NAV unit you can take in and out of your car, and update on your computer (Tom Tom, Garmin, etc.). The Touring's "extra" glove box in the center console is the perfect place for a portable NAV

01-17-2010, 04:26 AM	#26 (permalink)
Pushing_Tin A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 2,875 Drives: E63 AMG Rep Power: 227	+rep scruffy! I also had an IS350. What's the big deal about the 40th? If you like the Z why not buy a 2010 model with touring and sport??

01-18-2010, 07:51 PM	#28 (permalink)
Auston Track Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 764 Drives: 2009 Z34 T+S RAE Rep Power: 16	Red interior? Do you mean "wine"?